Zincwarrior
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Soviets were indeed far worse, if you consider what they did before and after WWII.
The War on World War II: Why False Revisionism Must Be Defeated
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Deadstick
Platinum Member
You must be really pissed off the Nazis lost the war, get over it.
AZrailwhale
Diamond Member
Because the Nazis were bad, it doesn't mean the Soviets were good. The Soviets were complicit in German rearmament allowing Germany to research weapons and tactics inside the USSR against the terms of the Versailles Treaty. Then the Soviets supplied Germany with the raw materials, food and POL to invade Czechoslovakia, Poland and then Western Europe. Without Soviet support, Hitler couldn't have made war on the rest of Europe. Soviet trains loaded with supplies steamed past the German invasion forces during Barbarossa. The Soviets killed more of their own people than Nazi Germany did its citizens AND the civilians of the rest of Europe.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Axis Mikey strikes again.
what do you base that on? Even if the West had acquiesced to Hitler, half the Jews killed in the Holocaust were Polish. (Ironically, 75% of the Jews of Austria and Germany survived the war because they got out before the shooting started.)
Now, I do think the Allies made a mistake writing the Polish Colonels a blank check they couldn't cash. But Chamberlain, having gotten burned at Munich, wasn't going to do that again.
The smarter thing for the Allies to have done was to make alliances with Italy and the USSR to contain Hitler. But Hitler got there first.
The resistance didn't have a chance of removing Hitler, and frankly, they were mostly for him until Germany started losing. Hitler killing them after the Staufenburg Plot just saved the Allies the trouble of hanging them at Nuremburg.
Given all those countries except Poland were in the Axis, it's hard to feel bad for them.
YOu seem to have a lot of sympathy for Axis countries, Mikey.
what do you base that on? Even if the West had acquiesced to Hitler, half the Jews killed in the Holocaust were Polish. (Ironically, 75% of the Jews of Austria and Germany survived the war because they got out before the shooting started.)
Now, I do think the Allies made a mistake writing the Polish Colonels a blank check they couldn't cash. But Chamberlain, having gotten burned at Munich, wasn't going to do that again.
The smarter thing for the Allies to have done was to make alliances with Italy and the USSR to contain Hitler. But Hitler got there first.
The resistance didn't have a chance of removing Hitler, and frankly, they were mostly for him until Germany started losing. Hitler killing them after the Staufenburg Plot just saved the Allies the trouble of hanging them at Nuremburg.
Given all those countries except Poland were in the Axis, it's hard to feel bad for them.
YOu seem to have a lot of sympathy for Axis countries, Mikey.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Whose fault was that.
You see, this funny thing, the USSR had a treaty of defense with Czechoslovakia, but it only kicked in if the French also moved to defend it.
Who wasn't invited to Munich. The USSR and the Czechs themselves.
The ugly reality is that the Western Allies didn't care about Poland or Czechoslovakia. They wanted Hitler and Stalin to fight. They just weren't expecting Hitler to turn on them, first.
Deadstick
Platinum Member
You are spot on with that reality, they were hoping the Nazis would destroy the Soviet Union if the Nazis went to war against Russia first and not us, as we know it didn't work out that way.
Litwin
Diamond Member
Litwin
Diamond Member
How were the Bolshevik imperialistic hordes supposed to reach Czechoslovakia?
Where to start....
I don't expect to teach anything to individuals who have passively absorbed decades of relentless Holocaustian hogwash churned out by Hollywood and the fraudulent Holocaust Industry. (1), (2)
Holocaust hucksters have been howling about a mythical "6 Million Jews" since 1900 (3) and grisly fables about homicidal electrocution, (4) gas, steam and vaporizing (5) chambers have been thoroughly debunked as Allied & Holocaust Industry propaganda (6) .
Even mainstream Holocaust scholar, Arno Mayer admits that more work camp inmates died of disease and natural causes than were executed just as Jewish sources contradict the "6 Million Jews murdered" fable. (7)
I don't know anyone who doubts that Communists, Jews, non Jews etc were incarcerated in distant work camps where many were also executed usually by hanging or firing squad. There is absolutely no evidence, however, of deliberate starvation or large scale mass murders just as no written order from Hitler for the destruction of Europe's Jews exists anywhere. (8)
Because typhus and similar diseases were the primary cause of work camp deaths, about 15,000 people died in Bergen Belsen AFTER liberation by the British.
Finally, I base my assertions not only on frequently repressed independent sources but on accounts of the dozens of Holocaust survivors, German WW 2 Veterans, former Russian POWs and Allied WW 2 Veterans with whom I have lived and worked over the decades.
Additionally, I've read numerous WW 2 era German documents, speeches etc in the original German as many English translations have been deliberately mistranslated to sound more sinister and malevolent than the original.
Thanks,
(1). ”17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U
EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED
(2). ”HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million | The Jerusalem Post
For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.
www.jpost.com
EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.
Writing to the Claims Conference’s board last week, recently terminated ombudsman Shmuel Hollander asserted that, while reports had said organizational insiders had siphoned off $57 million in
German taxpayer funds meant for survivors, “the final sum is in all probability much higher.” CONTINUED
(3). "Full text of "Two Hundred "Six Million Jews" Allegations From 1900-1945"
Two Hundred "Six Million Jews" Allegations From 1900-1945 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
(4). "Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death"
Auschwitz Electrical Conveyor belt of Death
EXCERPT "It’s a little known fact that running alongside the scientifically implausible gas chambers at Auschwitz ran the electrified conveyor belts of death. These industrialised slaughter belts, we can assume took the passive cargo directly from the “cattle cars” and electrocuted the hapless victims without struggle then disposed of the evidence in Nazi furnaces. One can only guess at the “special devices” for killing children. Somehow visions of Willy Wonka’s Chocolate/extermination factory spring to mind."CONTINUED
(5). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales." CONTINUED
(6). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
EXCERPT:
“Allied Propaganda:
"The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED
15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
(7). "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED
(8). “To the present day a written order by Hitler regarding the destruction of the European Jewish community has not been found, and, in all probability, this order was never given.”
- Walter Laqueur, Was niemand wissen wollte: Die Unterdruckung der Nachrichten uber Hitlers Endlösung (What Nobody Wanted to Know: The Suppression of News About Hitler’s “Final Solution”), (Berlin-Vienna, 1981), p.190
Zincwarrior
Diamond Member
I am pissed off the Russians are still a murdering dictatorship. They have not changed since Ivan the Terrible.
Deadstick
Platinum Member
AZrailwhale
Diamond Member
The leaders of the western democracies were smart enough to see that both Nazi Germany and Communist USSR were their enemies and wanted to destroy them. Letting them kill each other was the smart thing to do. Unfortunately. Churchill made the stupid decision to support Stalin's USSR against Germany. He should never have sent aid to the USSR.
Zincwarrior
Diamond Member
Er, the UK and Germany were fighting more than a year before Germany invaded the USSR. THATS when the UK started providing aid.
AZrailwhale
Diamond Member
Right and that whole time the USSR was providing aid to the Germans. The tanks that invaded France and the Low Countries were built with Soviet steel and fueled with Soviet gasoline. Churchill should have told Stalin to pound sand and fight Hitler by himself. Stalin still would have had to fight without British support, and it would have saved British treasure, lives and ships that were sunk trying to run the German blockade of the Arctic ports. Without WAllied support the Eastern Front would have been the Western Desert writ large. Both sides attacking until they outran their supply lines, then retreating; wash, rinse and repeat ad infinuitum until either the Germans ran out of troops, or the Soviets ran out of retreating room.
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Really, they've been saying it for 40 years before the war? Really?
Again, my dad liberated Nordhausen, nobody was making anything up.
Well, it's nice to see you are going full retard with holocaust denialism.
"OH NO, NOT ANOTHER MORONIC: 'BUT DADDY TOLD ME....'"
Re:
If I only had a dime for every gullible rube who parroted: "What daddy / the garbage man / the Dog Catcher / Uncle Sucker etc. told me."
Because Nordhausen's inmates were killed by British bombing, "Daddy" is either lying, delusional or stunningly gullible.
Wake me up when you've lived, worked with and/or known dozens of Holocaust survivors, German WW 2 Veterans, honest Allied WW 2 Veterans and read numerous WW 2 speeches and documents in the original German.
Your whining about "holocaust denialism" is also a lie because nowhere have I denied that the Holocaust happened.
I only reject the outrageous exaggerations and grisly embellishments like most of the educated world. (1)
"CORPSES IN THE COURTYARD OF NORDHAUSEN"
EXCERPTAftermath of the British bombing raid of 3 and 4 April 1945 that destroyed the Boelcke-Kaserne (Boelcke Barracks) located in the south-east of the town of Nordhausen and killed around 1300 inmates. The barracks was a subcamp of the Mittelbau-Dora Nazi concentration camp. Used as an overflow camp for sick and dying inmates from January 1945, numbers rose from a few hundred to over 6000, and the conditions saw up to 100 inmates die every day." CONTINUED
(1). ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
www.theatlantic.com
EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.
Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.
- Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."
- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.
- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
Re:
If I only had a dime for every gullible rube who parroted: "What daddy / the garbage man / the Dog Catcher / Uncle Sucker etc. told me."
Because Nordhausen's inmates were killed by British bombing, "Daddy" is either lying, delusional or stunningly gullible.
Wake me up when you've lived, worked with and/or known dozens of Holocaust survivors, German WW 2 Veterans, honest Allied WW 2 Veterans and read numerous WW 2 speeches and documents in the original German.
Your whining about "holocaust denialism" is also a lie because nowhere have I denied that the Holocaust happened.
I only reject the outrageous exaggerations and grisly embellishments like most of the educated world. (1)
"CORPSES IN THE COURTYARD OF NORDHAUSEN"
EXCERPTAftermath of the British bombing raid of 3 and 4 April 1945 that destroyed the Boelcke-Kaserne (Boelcke Barracks) located in the south-east of the town of Nordhausen and killed around 1300 inmates. The barracks was a subcamp of the Mittelbau-Dora Nazi concentration camp. Used as an overflow camp for sick and dying inmates from January 1945, numbers rose from a few hundred to over 6000, and the conditions saw up to 100 inmates die every day." CONTINUED
(1). ”THE WORLD IS FULL OF HOLOCAUST DENIERS”
The World Is Full of Holocaust Deniers
A new survey suggests that many Asians, Africans, Middle Easterners, young people, Muslims, and Hindus believe that facts about the genocide have been distorted.
www.theatlantic.com
EXCERPT “Only a third of the world's population believe the genocide has been accurately described in historical accounts.
Some said they thought the number of people who died has been exaggerated; others said they believe it's a myth.
- Thirty percent of respondents said it's probably true that "Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust."
- Hindus were most likely to believe that the number of Holocaust deaths has been exaggerated.
- people younger than 65 were much more likely to say they believe that facts about the Holocaust have been distorted”CONTINUED
Deadstick
Platinum Member
Your Nazi sympathies are showing again.
Litwin
Diamond Member
Decolonization of Moscow
empire is the only way to end Moscow wars of conquest, And I don’t mean putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from navalny, pushkin and solzhenitsyn to dugin, and brodsky.
empire is the only way to end Moscow wars of conquest, And I don’t mean putin´s imperialism, but Moscow imperialism in general , from navalny, pushkin and solzhenitsyn to dugin, and brodsky.Why is it that individuals who can't refute simple facts so reliant on personal slurs?
JoeB131
Diamond Member
Nope, he was there and didn't go on crank websites like you do. Man was a combat medic, he could probably tell the difference between people who were systematically starved to death and people killed by bombs.
Had screaming nightmares for the rest of his life from what he saw.
If you knew any of those people, you wouldn't spew the noxious shit you do. In fact, I'm not sure why you spew the obvious garbage you do.
your spew about how the Holocaust wasn't so bad because someone embellished the story about lampshades being made from human skin (only one actual documented case of that happening) really doesn't carry much weight.
12 million people were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies. Period. full stop.
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