There was no negotiated peace when Germany lost World War II.

[ElmerMudd]

For once you post something that actually makes sense. Either Iran surrenders unconditionally, or we continue bombing the shit out of them. And, it is a well known fact that Iran does not negotiate. All they do is stall and stall and stall and stall until the other side gives up in frustration and they get everything they wanted. They never actually negotiate anything.

Thanks for acknowledging my brilliance

 

[ElmerMudd]

FDR didn't tell people shit either. You are being unrealistic.

What psychologists define TDS as “TDS = total devotion syndrome”

The real “syndrome” is to look to Donald Trump to be their savior

ignoring facts of the real world and believe everything Trump says

excusing Trump’s behavior no matter what

treating Trump as above criticism – demeaning anyone who criticizes Trump

 

[ElmerMudd]

Are you willing to give up over 400,000 American lives to get an unconditional surrender? Trump doesn't.

The problem is Trump has the unrealistic expectation of getting an unconditional surrender without doing the costly and horrific actions it would take.
Take the wins and accept the losses and minimize the lives lost and the cost to the American people.
When the cost out weighs the benefit, don't do it.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Probably because Trump is trying to avoid taking out infrastructure that will hurt the civilian population. You know nothing is stopping us from doing what would completely cripple the country... we have the power to do so. but then you would call Trump a madman wouldnt you? double down for the war crimes tribunal.... but meanwhile if he goes for a negotiated settlement you're not happy with that either are you?

What do you want?

I want Trump to be realistic about his goals and what it will take to obtain the goals. If the cost is more than the benefit don't do it.
At this point
The regime is still in place
They still have enriched uranium
They control the strait of Hormuz.

For the sake the men and women of our military, decide what is worth doing and what is not. Have people who know much more than Trump make those decisions not a chickenhawk who eveaded military service.

 

[Meathead]

The problem is Trump has the unrealistic expectation of getting an unconditional surrender without doing the costly and horrific actions it would take.

So what? He's not going to get 1000s of Americans killed, which is more than you can say for Lincoln, FDR, LBJ and Bush II.

 

[ElmerMudd]

So what? He's not going to get 1000s of Americans killed, which is more than you can say for Lincoln, FDR, LBJ and Bush II.

Great, then do not get thousands killed. But to do so he will have to pull back from some of his goals.
To attain his goals would cost too much in lives and money, is my opinion.
But the insecure bully will never admit not getting everything he wants. He is a petulent, spoiled child that is an embarrassment.

 

[jacksonlamb]

So you want Iran to win and have nukes?

Sit down. We cannot invade Iran; our citizens won't permit.

So... we bomb every time we need to until we get lucky and take it all out.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Jackasslamb, you've inadvertently admitted Trump is smart. I'm surprised, but then you are not the sharpest.

You just admit you have no clue as to who is saying what.

 

[Meathead]

You just admit you have no clue as to who is saying what.

Too complex for you I see. Not a bit surprised frankly.

 

[Meathead]

Great, then do not get thousands killed. But to do so he will have to pull back from some of his goals.
To attain his goals would cost too much in lives and money, is my opinion.
But the insecure bully will never admit not getting everything he wants. He is a petulent, spoiled child that is an embarrassment.

It's not me that will get 1000s killed and certainly not Trump.

 

[80zephyr]

What psychologists define TDS as “TDS = total devotion syndrome”

The real “syndrome” is to look to Donald Trump to be their savior

ignoring facts of the real world and believe everything Trump says

excusing Trump’s behavior no matter what

treating Trump as above criticism – demeaning anyone who criticizes Trump

Lol. I don't care what Trump says. Its what he does that counts.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Lol. I don't care what Trump says. Its what he does that counts.

He is a criminal.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Lol. I don't care what Trump says. Its what he does that counts.

Good point. Let's review what Trump has done.
Decreased GDP since Biden
Inflation rose about 3.3% annually, with a sharp spike in March 2026
Energy prices surged (gas up 20%+ in a month) due to geopolitical conflict
Disposable income declined (first drop in months)
Savings rate fell to ~4%
Deficit ~$1.9 trillion (2026) (~5.8% of GDP)
Debt ~101% of GDP, rising toward 120%
Historically, deficits this high are unusual outside crises
Slowing job growth / fragile labor dynamicsTrade and tariff effects -Slower growth -Higher prices -Weaker business confidence
Loss of respect worldwide

 

[eagle1462010]

Too Many Iranian Ass kissers on this thread.

Trollville.

 

[eagle1462010]

America and Iran have two entirely different definitions of "winning" this.

Trump clearly doesn't understand this, nor does his flock.

What a shock.

Perhaps we should have waited til the had 500,000 missiles huh?

That would show them huh Mac And Cheese

 

[ElmerMudd]

Too Many Iranian Ass kissers on this thread.

Trollville.

What you call Iranian ass kissers are those who will not kiss Trump's ass as he spends more time focusing on golf, ballroom, arch, than the most important issue, the Iran war. As a result more war fighters will lose their lives or be injured. Our nation is spending billions. Trump changes what are purpose is every day.
I am an advocate for our military and our nation. Trump is not doing what is best for both.

YOU PUT TRUMP ABOVE WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR MILITARY AND OUT NATION. Beyond disgusting.

 

[eagle1462010]

What you call Iranian ass kissers are those who will not kiss Trump's ass as he spends more time focusing on golf, ballroom, arch, than the most important issue, the Iran war. As a result more war fighters will lose their lives or be injured. Our nation is spending billions. Trump changes what are purpose is every day.
I am an advocate for our military and our nation. Trump is not doing what is best for both.

YOU PUT TRUMP ABOVE WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR MILITARY AND OUT NATION. Beyond disgusting.

BS.

Im a Vet and have been over there. How about you?

 

[ElmerMudd]

BS.

Im a Vet and have been over there. How about you?

I am not a vet and have not been over there. I thank you for your service.

I am a proud American and have great respect for our military.

I hugely disagree with you. I feel you are putting Trump above the current war fighters and our country.

 

[eagle1462010]

I am not a vet and have not been over there. I thank you for your service.

I am a proud American and have great respect for our military.

I hugely disagree with you. I feel you are putting Trump above the current war fighters and our country.

Trump has nothing to do with my position on Iran.

We need to finish them.

 

[jacksonlamb]

BS. Im a Vet and have been over there. How about you?

I am a vet, and I know the ME and EA. A sustained bombing campaign would keep the Iranians' heads down, and we cannot beat them without boots on the ground, which is a flat no go.