The War on World War II: Why False Revisionism Must Be Defeated

[Soupnazi630]

You are teaching me nothing Child, your numbers are disputed for one thing such as the Holodomor you talk as if no Russians starved in the Holodomor, and the people who died under Stalins purges were not all over Eastern and Western Europe and many other Countries, unlike the Nazis who were on a Global rampage of war and murder your deflection doesn't hold water,when ever did you highlight Nazi crimes in detail.?

Yes I am and no they are not in dispute they are proven by the soviets own archices

tthe holodomor was a willfully inflicted starvation program. Yes Stalins purges WERE all over eastern europe

It is not deflection numbs nuts. The nazi crimes are massively detailed all over the place and i dispute none of that but inunformed morons like you ignore what the soviets did

 

[Mac-7]

Churchill did not declare war on Germany. Neville Chamberlain did. Churchill did not become prime minister until eight months after Germany and Russia invaded Poland.


And he's absolutely right. Nazi Germany, as bad as it was, was not as evil and tyrannical as the Soviet Union, and many Americans at the time thought the same thing. It is odd that people who get upset at the idea that we should have temporarily sided with Germany to defeat the Soviet Union excuse FDR's decision to side with the Soviet Union throughout the war, even though the Soviet Union killed far more people than Nazi Germany killed.

There was no meaningful Russian opposition to Stalin, but there was powerful German opposition to Hitler. We should have withheld all aid from the Soviet Union to enable Germany to defeat it, and then we should have worked with the German opposition to depose Hitler.

A very good case can be made that Hitler would not have invaded France and would not have bombed England if England and France had not given Poland a useless security guarantee and then declared war on Germany after Germany invaded Poland.

The Germans were far more dangerous to the Western democracies than the russians

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Germans were far more dangerous to the Western democracies than the russians

In the short term yes they were

We got lucky in the long run

 

[Deadstick]

Yes I am and no they are not in dispute they are proven by the soviets own archices

tthe holodomor was a willfully inflicted starvation program. Yes Stalins purges WERE all over eastern europe

It is not deflection numbs nuts. The nazi crimes are massively detailed all over the place and i dispute none of that but inunformed morons like you ignore what the soviets did

I am ignoring nothing, the Holodomor was down to economic and Agricultural mismanagement under collectivisation introduced like a sledge hammer too quickly, it was the Soviets who liberated all those camps where mass industrial murder was taking place and Eastern Europe from the Nazi horror, they even sent the Soviets best Architects to Poland after the war even though the Soviet union had been devastated they looked at the Warsaw City plans of the old City and who do you think reconstructed it? not the Poles they were in no fit state to do anything, it was the Soviets, now these days in Poland and other East European Countries we have the disgusting spectacle of monuments to fallen Red army Soldiers and graves desecrated, ungrateful bastards.

 

[Deadstick]

In the short term yes they were

We got lucky in the long run

Nothing to do with luck, that is why the Western allies fought alongside the Soviets.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I am ignoring nothing, the Holodomor was down to economic and Agricultural mismanagement under collectivisation introduced like a sledge hammer too quickly, it was the Soviets who liberated all those camps where mass industrial murder was taking place and Eastern Europe from the Nazi horror, they even sent the Soviets best Architects to Poland after the war even though the Soviet union had been devastated they looked at the Warsaw City plans of the old City and who do you think reconstructed it? not the Poles they were in no fit state to do anything, it was the Soviets, now these days in Poland and other East European Countries we have the disgusting spectacle of monuments to fallen Red army Soldiers and graves desecrated, ungrateful bastards.

yes you are

It was not mismanagement it was delibertarly designed and inflifcted to induce starvation. They were willfully using starvatiuon as a weapon and you are as bad as any holocaust denier to minimizing it by creating a false narrative of mismanagement., Yes they liberated camps while running their own.

The invaded and enslaved poland, the poles hated them for this.

 

[Deadstick]

yes you are

It was not mismanagement it was delibertarly designed and inflifcted to induce starvation. They were willfully using starvatiuon as a weapon and you are as bad as any holocaust denier to minimizing it by creating a false narrative of mismanagement., Yes they liberated camps while running their own.

The invaded and enslaved poland, the poles hated them for this.

Well maybe they should have left the Gestapo in charge of Warsaw, what camps did the Soviets have that can possibly compare with the Nazi death extermination camps? and saying the Holodomor was intentional starvation is your opinion and nothing more, see the article that shows i am right and not your Ukrainian simplistic propaganda explanation.

The HORRIFIC famines of the Soviet Union - and why they happened (PHOTOS)

More than seven million people died as a result of the 1932-33 famine. In modern Ukraine, this awful period is often known as 'holodomor'.

www.rbth.com

 

[Mac-7]

In the short term yes they were

We got lucky in the long run

In the long term russia failed also

They lost the Cold War

Nor did we get lucky

The West , particularly the United States was superior to communist russia in every way

 

[Unkotare]

In the long term russia failed also

They lost the Cold War

Reagan won the Cold War.

 

[Mac-7]

Reagan won the Cold War.

In many ways thats true

Libs in both parties varied from hoping for an eternal stalemate to resignation to losing to the Soviets

Only Reagan had the foresight to understand that the russians had no clothes

 

[westwall]

You just confirmed what i said, Stalin was worse than Hitler and the Soviets more murderous than the Nazis, so why didn't Western governments fight with the Nazis against the Soviets? who as far as i know didn't gas millions of Jews, although i know in my Country there was no shortage of some elites who wanted to side with the Nazis some actually lived in Berlin in WW2 putting propaganda out for the Nazis.

Well, at the beginning of the war, Germany and Russia were co-invaders of Poland, and had a non aggression pact.

Or did you forget that part?

The more interesting question is why did the western powers only declare war on Germany?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Well maybe they should have left the Gestapo in charge of Warsaw, what camps did the Soviets have that can possibly compare with the Nazi death extermination camps? and saying the Holodomor was intentional starvation is your opinion and nothing more, see the article that shows i am right and not your Ukrainian simplistic propaganda explanation.

The HORRIFIC famines of the Soviet Union - and why they happened (PHOTOS)

More than seven million people died as a result of the 1932-33 famine. In modern Ukraine, this awful period is often known as 'holodomor'.

www.rbth.com

No it is not opinion it is fact proven by soviet archives; Your articel IS simplistic and propaganda ignoring fact as you do

the gulag wss easily comparable to the nazi death camps they simply used nature and not factories

 

[Zincwarrior]

Well you are right about that, the pogroms were under the Monarchists or White Russians, the Bosheviks had several Jews in prominent positions.

The Soviets had more than one, they were just included in Stalin's Purges. Russian/Soviet hatred of Jews is a big reason the US has so many.

 

[Ringo]

You don't need to teach me anything Child, i am well aware of History and your deflection from the Nazis onto the soviets is just that a deflection,

Freaks like him have been around for a long time.

 

[Ringo]

Russian/Soviet hatred of Jews is a big reason the US has so many.

I wonder who in modern Latvia hates latvians so much that almost a quarter of the population fled to the West after independence? The same question can be asked about Estonia, Bulgaria, Romania...

 

[AZrailwhale]

Worse than the Nazis, that statement gives your Nazi credential away you disgusting article, next you will be telling us the SS liberated Warsaw.

The Soviets were far worse than the Nazis. The Germans never sent unarmed men into combat, or marched "penal battalions" across minefields at machinegun point to clear passages for more valuable troops. The Germans never had secret police machine gun units placed behind their combat troops to insure they didn't retreat under fire.

 

[Deadstick]

The Soviets were far worse than the Nazis. The Germans never sent unarmed men into combat, or marched "penal battalions" across minefields at machinegun point to clear passages for more valuable troops. The Germans never had secret police machine gun units placed behind their combat troops to insure they didn't retreat under fire.

You still don't get it and probably never will.

 

[Deadstick]

Well, at the beginning of the war, Germany and Russia were co-invaders of Poland, and had a non aggression pact.

Or did you forget that part?

The more interesting question is why did the western powers only declare war on Germany?

No i didn't forget it, i have also given the reasons why the Soviets signed a pact with the Germans, because after several times of trying the West refused to have a pact with the Soviets against a German threat, did you forget that? or maybe you didn't even know it, the Soviets were buying time or the Nazis would have had their army right on the Russian border before they did, Poland invaded an area of Czechoslovakia before that with German permission, did you forget that?

 

[AZrailwhale]

You still don't get it and probably never will.

Oh, I get it, you are either a propagandist for Russia, or insane.

 

[Deadstick]

Oh, I get it, you are either a propagandist for Russia, or insane.

Sure i am, that is the response of someone who has no argument.