The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[Unkotare]

Okinawa is a nice example proving you wrong. Then of course Iwo Jima is another example you can not explain away with your beliefs

Talk about "no knowledge of history"...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Talk about "no knowledge of history"...

Okinawa proved that Saipan was no fluke and reinforced the fact that the civilians would do as told.

 

[gipper]

No ability for offensive action? That is a great way to redefine, "lost the war".

Trying to surrender, you can say that but I can also say at no time did those leading the war consider surrender. Make your best case, who specifically.

No ability at defence? You have zero facts to support that. We of course can easily show the Japanese were very much preparing to defend the main island, using those innocent women and children who were busy making weapons.

Defeated yet they fought the USSR for weeks after we bombed nagasaki and hiroshoma, so how do you prove defeat?

Wow, calling me as bad as a NAZI or the Japanese?

It is your pacifist attitude that resulted in the war with japan making you directly responsible for all the rapes, tortures, and murders committed by japanese, using your logic.

Of course, had it been your decision making we followed, more of our prisoners of war, held by the japanese would of been tortured to death. I thank God your thinking was considered and determined to be extreme, thus saving the lives of our american men held by the japanese.

But go ahead, take a topic, present your fact, and see how easy your opinion is shown to be just that, an opinion.

So much of what you know is wrong. Japan was more than willing to surrender months before the bombs dropped. They only asked Dirty Harry not to hang the emperor, which he gladly agreed to AFTER he committed his heinous war crime.

Are you also completely unaware of the many military leaders and officials who at the time said the bombs were unnecessary?

Are you also unaware of Truman’s desire to intimidate Uncle Joe with the a-bombs, even though he knew about the bombs before Dirty Harry did? All thanks to FDR having an administration full of Soviet spies.

Yet you continue to unquestioningly support the corrupt State.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

So much of what you know is wrong. Japan was more than willing to surrender months before the bombs dropped. They only asked Dirty Harry not to hang the emperor, which he gladly agreed to AFTER he committed his heinous war crime.

Are you also completely unaware of the many military leaders and officials who at the time said the bombs were unnecessary?

Are you also unaware of Truman’s desire to intimidate Uncle Joe with the a-bombs, even though he knew about the bombs before Dirty Harry did? All thanks to FDR having an administration full of Soviet spies.

Yet you continue to unquestioningly support the corrupt State.

Retard the Japanese NEVER offered to surrender all they ever said was they wanted a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines except in China and no foreign troops no disarmament and no consequence for the war they started. They even offered the Soviets a deal to ally against the west if the Soviets went to war against the US and west.

 

[gipper]

Okinawa proved that Saipan was no fluke and reinforced the fact that the civilians would do as told.

Our military clearly didn’t need to invade Okinawa or any Japanese islands. Okinawa was a war crime that should have resulted in military leaders being executed.

Only dumb imperialists think invading a defeated starving destroyed nation is necessary.

 

[gipper]

Retard the Japanese NEVER offered to surrender all they ever said was they wanted a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines except in China and no foreign troops no disarmament and no consequence for the war they started. They even offered the Soviets a deal to ally against the west if the Soviets went to war against the US and west.

Stop posting you know nothing. You’ve failed to learn anything about the event since you left 4th grade.

 

[elektra]

So much of what you know is wrong. Japan was more than willing to surrender months before the bombs dropped. They only asked Dirty Harry not to hang the emperor, which he gladly agreed to AFTER he committed his heinous war crime.

I already said, present your facts. Repeating your opinion proves nothing.

 

[gipper]

I already said, present your facts. Repeating your opinion proves nothing.

Read the thread. I started it almost four years ago. You won’t regret it. Staying uninformed is a terrible thing.

 

[Unkotare]

Okinawa proved that Saipan was no fluke and reinforced the fact that the civilians would do as told.

No knowledge of history ^^^

 

[Unkotare]

Article clipped from Chicago Tribune

Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.

www.newspapers.com

 

[elektra]

Read the thread. I started it almost four years ago. You won’t regret it. Staying uninformed is a terrible thing.

I have read the thread, and being how it is your thread, and you are making a point that you are informed, go ahead and simply inform me now. Super easy for you, unless you have not the names of the people you think tried to surrender to the USA.

 

[elektra]

Americans need to come to the realization that the bombings of civilians was really mass murder, not unlike what Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were guilty of.

Great column on the subject.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan, Reconsidered
By Alan Mosley
Mises.org

January 2, 2019

Russia’s move, in fact, compelled the Japanese to consider unconditional surrender; until then, they were only open to a conditional surrender that left their Emperor Hirohito some dignity and protections from war-crimes trials. Ward concludes that, as in the European theatre, Truman didn’t beat Japan; Stalin did.

Harry Truman never expressed regret publicly over his decision to use the atomic bombs. However, he did order an independent study on the state of the war effort leading up to August of 1945, and the strategic value of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. In 1946, the U.S. Bombing Survey published its findings, which concluded as follows: “Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” This is an intensive condemnation of Truman’s decision, seeing as Russia did enter the war, and that plans for an invasion had been developed.

As Timothy P. Carney writesfor the Washington Examiner, the fog of war can be a tricky thing. But if we’re forced to side with Truman, or Eisenhower and the other dissenting military leaders, the Eisenhower position isn’t merely valid; it actually aligns better with some fundamental American values. Given all the uncertainty, both at the time and with modern historical revisionism, it’s better to look to principle rather than fortune-telling. One principle that should be near the top of everyone’s list is this: it’s wrong to target civilians with weapons of mass destruction. The deliberate killing of innocent men, women, and children by the hundreds of thousandscannot be justified under any circumstances, much less the ambiguous ones Truman encountered. Whether his decision was motivated by indignation toward Japanese “ pigheadedness” or concern for his troops, Truman’s use of such devastating weapons against non-combatants should not be excused. Americans must strive for complete and honest analysis of the past (and present) conflicts. And if she is to remain true to her own ideals, America must strive for more noble and moral ends—in all conflicts, domestic and foreign—guided by our most cherished first principles, such as the Golden Rule. At the very least, Americans should not try so hard to justify mass murder.

The Atomic Bombing of Japan - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

So, what is it that you believe you have knowledge of? Which part of the opinions you use to try to substantiate your opinion or premise of the OP do you wish to discuss.

You posted a nice opinion piece here, take any sentence and show us how that should of ended the war? Start wherever you like. Certainly you enjoy seeing your Thread still active, so go ahead and discuss something.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Stop posting you know nothing. You’ve failed to learn anything about the event since you left 4th grade.

LOL read the damn military intercepts you blazing moron.

 

[gipper]

So, what is it that you believe you have knowledge of? Which part of the opinions you use to try to substantiate your opinion or premise of the OP do you wish to discuss.

You posted a nice opinion piece here, take any sentence and show us how that should of ended the war? Start wherever you like. Certainly you enjoy seeing your Thread still active, so go ahead and discuss something.

It’s clear no? Truman is a fucking war criminal. The bombs were entirely unnecessary. Japan had been trying to surrender for months. They only asked that the emperor be spared. Truman mass murdered thousands of defenseless women and children merely to show off US power. Sick fuck!

 

[gipper]

LOL read the damn military intercepts you blazing moron.

Now I’m not certain if you got past 4th grade.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Lol. No their military was getting its ass kicked everywhere. They had no fuel or food. An army can’t fight without those two things.

THINK!

The Japanese had plenty of fuel for their climactic battle. They had adequate stockpiles for defense. They had enough naval fuel oil to fuel Yamato, Yahagi and eight destroyers to fight their way to Okinawa and some sources now say to return to Japan. They had enough food to last months and the plan was for every Japanese to die fighting the invasion, so no food was needed past the end of 1945.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It’s clear no? Truman is a fucking war criminal. The bombs were entirely unnecessary. Japan had been trying to surrender for months. They only asked that the emperor be spared. Truman mass murdered thousands of defenseless women and children merely to show off US power. Sick fuck!

The Japanese hadn't been trying to surrender. They were trying to arrange an armistice (cease fire) that negated all the allied victories and returned the forces back to where they were on December 6th, 1941. Japan would still possess Manchuria, most of China, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea and would only disarm under Japanese supervision (which means no disarmament at all) and war crimes trials would be done by the Japanese authorities which means no trials because the Japanese admitted to committing no war crimes since they were not signatories of the Geneva Conventions. The Japanese government knew the only terms authorized by the Allies at Yalta. They were sent the terms through neutral governments and the government of Japan decided to totally ignore the terms. Any remotely normal nation would have surrendered after losing almost all its fleet carriers at Midway. Any sane government would have surrendered after the invasion of the Philippines which cut Japan off from all the resources it went to war to gain. The Japanese government decided to keep fighting in the hope that if they managed to kill enough Allied personnel AND Japanese civilians and troops we would be sickened and grant them favorable peace terms.

 

[elektra]

It’s clear no? Truman is a fucking war criminal. The bombs were entirely unnecessary. Japan had been trying to surrender for months. They only asked that the emperor be spared. Truman mass murdered thousands of defenseless women and children merely to show off US power. Sick fuck!

Japan? Again, who are you talking about. Japan was not ruled like the USA with a president that commanded the military and spoke for the nation.

Japan, when you state Japan had been trying to surrender you are revising the facts. Name who, when, and where.

And show us where "Japan", asked that the Emperor be spared. It is actually very easy to dispel your revisionism. So go ahead and tell us who your are talking about, when this happened, and where.

This thread has been your baby for four years. You must have the answers to these questions. You dont even have to link, just tell us.

 

[Unkotare]

The Japanese hadn't been trying to surrender. They were trying to arrange an armistice (cease fire) that negated all the allied victories and returned the forces back to where they were on December 6th, 1941. Japan would still possess Manchuria, most of China, Thailand, Vietnam, Korea and would only disarm under Japanese supervision (which means no disarmament at all) and war crimes trials would be done by the Japanese authorities which means no trials because the Japanese admitted to committing no war crimes since they were not signatories of the Geneva Conventions. The Japanese government knew the only terms authorized by the Allies at Yalta. They were sent the terms through neutral governments and the government of Japan decided to totally ignore the terms. Any remotely normal nation would have surrendered after losing almost all its fleet carriers at Midway. Any sane government would have surrendered after the invasion of the Philippines which cut Japan off from all the resources it went to war to gain. The Japanese government decided to keep fighting in the hope that if they managed to kill enough Allied personnel AND Japanese civilians and troops we would be sickened and grant them favorable peace terms.

Article clipped from Chicago Tribune

Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.

www.newspapers.com

 

[Unkotare]

..... the plan was for every Japanese to die fighting the invasion, so no food was needed past the end of 1945.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous your posts have become?