The truth about Truman’s bombing Japan

[elektra]

Look back through my posts on these threads you will find the link

I have the same, in a book, so no problem

 

[Unkotare]

Millions of Japanese, mostly civilians, would have died from starvation with a blockade. Japan was already nearly starving and it meant nothing to the government. What little food there was was going to the military and government. Civilians got what little was left. A blockade would have made things worse.

You think.

 

[Unkotare]

Millions of Japanese, mostly civilians, would have died from starvation with a blockade. Japan was already nearly starving and it meant nothing to the government. .....

How do you know it meant nothing to the government?

 

[AZrailwhale]

How do you know it meant nothing to the government?

Because the Japanese government made no effort to surrender despite having its cities burned to the ground every night, its ships sunk in harbor by carrier air strikes and anything larger than a rowboat that put to sea being sunk. The people of Japan were starving and the government was teaching them how to attack tanks with wooden spears while telling them that the Americans were going to rape and eat them.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Because the Japanese government made no effort to surrender despite having its cities burned to the ground every night, its ships sunk in harbor by carrier air strikes and anything larger than a rowboat that put to sea being sunk. The people of Japan were starving and the government was teaching them how to attack tanks with wooden spears while telling them that the Americans were going to rape and eat them.

Poop boy has a romanticized view of the Japanese, he denies they committed suicide rather then capture on Saipan, he denies Japanese soldiers murdered Okinawan civilians rather then let them surrender, he denies that the army was teaching citizens to human wave attack the invasion beaches with Bamboo spears, he denies the Japanese Government was taking the food fuel and resources for Government and military use while starving the population. And he claims an unsourced news article from the mid 60's proves Japan tried to surrender.

 

[Unkotare]

Because the Japanese government made no effort to surrender .....

That is not true, as has been established on many of these threads many times.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That is not true, as has been established on many of these threads many times.

No you have not. The only thing you have is opinion and a news article from the 60's with no citations or references.

 

[AZrailwhale]

That is not true, as has been established on many of these threads many times.

No, you are wrong. The Japanese GOVERNMENT wasn't part of any of those overtures. The people makings them were either civilians, or low level bureaucrats without the authority or authorization from ANYONE official to make overtures for the Japanese government.

 

[Unkotare]

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[Unkotare]

Article clipped from Chicago Tribune

Clipping found in Chicago Tribune published in Chicago, Illinois on 8/14/1965.

www.newspapers.com

^^^

 

[gipper]

^^^

The narrative pushed by the US warmongers and statists that Japan refused to surrender, was prepared to fight to the last man, woman, and child; and a US invasion would result in a million US casualties is set in stone for many Americans. They believe the bombs were justified and required to end the war. No evidence to the contrary will change them.

Proof war propaganda works extremely well.

 

[elektra]

The narrative pushed by the US warmongers and statists that Japan refused to surrender, was prepared to fight to the last man, woman, and child; and a US invasion would result in a million US casualties is set in stone for many Americans. They believe the bombs were justified and required to end the war. No evidence to the contrary will change them.

Proof war propaganda works extremely well.

Says those who have no knowledge of history

 

[gipper]

Says those who have no knowledge of history

You prove my point.

Right back at you.

 

[elektra]

You prove my point.

Right back at you.

Okinawa is a nice example proving you wrong. Then of course Iwo Jima is another example you can not explain away with your beliefs

 

[gipper]

Okinawa is a nice example proving you wrong. Then of course Iwo Jima is another example you can not explain away with your beliefs

Lol. Oh yes I can my son.

Had we not attacked Okinawa many lives would have been saved and its conquest meant nothing, because Japan was trying to surrender and had already lost the war.

Did it ever occur to you that our military never needed to OCCUPY Japan? Invading the islands was a dumb idea. They were defeated by early 1945. They had no ability for offensive action let alone being able to defend themselves.

This is why daylight bombing was instituted. Japan had nothing left, yet you someone think dropping two nukes killing thousands of innocent women and children was justified. You are no different than the worst Nazi or Imperial Japanese war criminal.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Lol. Oh yes I can my son.

Had we not attacked Okinawa many lives would have been saved and its conquest meant nothing, because Japan was trying to surrender and had already lost the war.

Did it ever occur to you that our military never needed to OCCUPY Japan? Invading the islands was a dumb idea. They were defeated by early 1945. They had no ability for offensive action let alone being able to defend themselves.

This is why daylight bombing was instituted. Japan had nothing left, yet you someone think dropping two nukes killing thousands of innocent women and children was justified. You are no different than the worst Nazi or Imperial Japanese war criminal.

God you deniers are STUPID. Japan had no intention of surrendering ever. ALL they ever offered was a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines, they even offered the Soviets to ally with them if they brokered the deal ally against the US, and the west.

 

[gipper]

God you deniers are STUPID. Japan had no intention of surrendering ever. ALL they ever offered was a ceasefire and return to 41 start lines, they even offered the Soviets to ally with them if they brokered the deal ally against the US, and the west.

See? Dumb again. Refuses to accept the truth. Believes the criminal warmongering state.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yeah...mass murder civilians of a defenseless nation ready to surrender, based on inaccurate information.

Ike said don’t drop those bombs. Admiral Leahy said don’t drop those bombs.

Defenseless nation? Japan was still actively fighting in China, it was killing hundreds of Allied Pows a month by brutality and many more by forcing them to labor under unsafe conditions in things like condemned iron and coal mines. Japan was killing thousands of Malaysian, Burmese and Chinese citizens every week. The submarine I-58 sank the USS Indianapolis during that period. Japan had and was stockpiling thousands of Kamikaze aircraft, submarines, manned torpedoes and motorboats to kill Americans in the invasion force. Thew Japanese Army had over SIX MILLION trained troops under arms in Japan and had trained and "armed" between EIGHTEEN AND TWENTY MILLION civilian militia (every man between 15 and 60 and every woman between 17 and 40) That's a far better armed and more numerous force than the UK could muster six months after Dunkirk, and the Japoanese were as committed to defending their Islands as the citizens of the UK were to defending their island.

 

[gipper]

Defenseless nation? Japan was still actively fighting in China, it was killing hundreds of Allied Pows a month by brutality and many more by forcing them to labor under unsafe conditions in things like condemned iron and coal mines. Japan was killing thousands of Malaysian, Burmese and Chinese citizens every week. The submarine I-58 sank the USS Indianapolis during that period. Japan had and was stockpiling thousands of Kamikaze aircraft, submarines, manned torpedoes and motorboats to kill Americans in the invasion force. Thew Japanese Army had over SIX MILLION trained troops under arms in Japan and had trained and "armed" between EIGHTEEN AND TWENTY MILLION civilian militia (every man between 15 and 60 and every woman between 17 and 40) That's a far better armed and more numerous force than the UK could muster six months after Dunkirk, and the Japoanese were as committed to defending their Islands as the citizens of the UK were to defending their island.

Lol. No their military was getting its ass kicked everywhere. They had no fuel or food. An army can’t fight without those two things.

THINK!

 

[elektra]

Lol. Oh yes I can my son.

Had we not attacked Okinawa many lives would have been saved and its conquest meant nothing, because Japan was trying to surrender and had already lost the war.

Did it ever occur to you that our military never needed to OCCUPY Japan? Invading the islands was a dumb idea. They were defeated by early 1945. They had no ability for offensive action let alone being able to defend themselves.

This is why daylight bombing was instituted. Japan had nothing left, yet you someone think dropping two nukes killing thousands of innocent women and children was justified. You are no different than the worst Nazi or Imperial Japanese war criminal.

No ability for offensive action? That is a great way to redefine, "lost the war".

Trying to surrender, you can say that but I can also say at no time did those leading the war consider surrender. Make your best case, who specifically.

No ability at defence? You have zero facts to support that. We of course can easily show the Japanese were very much preparing to defend the main island, using those innocent women and children who were busy making weapons.

Defeated yet they fought the USSR for weeks after we bombed nagasaki and hiroshoma, so how do you prove defeat?

Wow, calling me as bad as a NAZI or the Japanese?

It is your pacifist attitude that resulted in the war with japan making you directly responsible for all the rapes, tortures, and murders committed by japanese, using your logic.

Of course, had it been your decision making we followed, more of our prisoners of war, held by the japanese would of been tortured to death. I thank God your thinking was considered and determined to be extreme, thus saving the lives of our american men held by the japanese.

But go ahead, take a topic, present your fact, and see how easy your opinion is shown to be just that, an opinion.