Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

[Carl in Michigan]

as long as the sun gives light by day, and the moon and the stars shine at night, the seed of Israel (Jacob, Isaac, Abraham) shall be a nation before God forever, if the heavens can be measured, or the foundations of the earth searched then God will cast off all the seed of Israel for what they have done. These are powerful scriptures, and clearly answer anyone who says, that God’s everlasting covenant with Israel is null and void, because they rejected Jesus, or that God has rejected them because they have sinned. I could never believe the Church has replaced Israel and God no longer has a plan for His people and the Nation of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because if I believed that, I would, in essence be saying that I cannot trust God or His Word.

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[hobelim]

'Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

When Jesus said this, he is referring to Genesis 3:14 where God condemns the talking serpent, a strange creature like you that crawls on his belly in the attempt to beguile people to the lowest place in society

And according to the garbage that comes out of your head, you are already there. No government no human element necessary for the will of God to be fulfilled.

 

[buttercup]

No its not. The jewish messiah is human. Humans don't return thousand of years later. They dont resurrect. Etc

Human AND divine. Read Isaiah 9:6! And there are others too, that's just one off the top of my head.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

A "difficult" Scripture that too many twist to say what it doesn't say (the writings of Paul can be difficult)

“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them,
declares the Lord.
This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear

 

[MisterBeale]

MisterBeale thinks funnys will win him the argument. He only displays his ignorance on the topic. You can see that in his contemptuous use of "Zionism" or the belief that Israel has an ETERNAL claim on the Land of Israel.

God's national covenant with ISRAEL will not be fulfilled until His return.

He promised the kingly line would come thru Judah, or the Jews.

To Joseph, He promised a GREAT NATION (the United States) and a GREAT COMPANY OF NATIONS (the children of the British Empire.

Yet His promise has yet to be fully realized until AFTER the Time of JACOB'S Trouble (the Great Tribulation).

This is NOT the "better" covenant He made with His True Church. But it also didn't replace it

Clowns like you are always funny to me.

 

[MisterBeale]

as long as the sun gives light by day, and the moon and the stars shine at night, the seed of Israel (Jacob, Isaac, Abraham) shall be a nation before God forever, if the heavens can be measured, or the foundations of the earth searched then God will cast off all the seed of Israel for what they have done. These are powerful scriptures, and clearly answer anyone who says, that God’s everlasting covenant with Israel is null and void, because they rejected Jesus, or that God has rejected them because they have sinned. I could never believe the Church has replaced Israel and God no longer has a plan for His people and the Nation of Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because if I believed that, I would, in essence be saying that I cannot trust God or His Word.

The Everlasting Covenant - CFOIC

Learn how the everlasting covenant shows God’s unbreakable promise to Israel and His Word that stands forever. Discover the unchanging promise today

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[hobelim]

Not at all. Has nothing to do with the beast.

You are right. The only time the number 666 is referring to one man in the Bible is when it is describing Solomon’s yearly stipend of 666 talents of gold (25 tons) taken from the temple treasury not to mention tolls, tributes, taxes, and levy’s. Fleeced from the population daily.

This is the exact same corrupt, tyrannical religious system that the Roman Catholic Church was based on including the costumes, liturgy, sacrifices, etc.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Clowns like you are always funny to me.

You're not a deep thinker. You're also prone to follow any conspiracy theory. You don't understand the scriptures so you mock what you don't understand

I'll move you to my ignore pile now. You have nothing to offer

 

[MisterBeale]

You're not a deep thinker. You're also prone to follow any conspiracy theory. You don't understand the scriptures so you mock what you don't understand

I'll move you to my ignore pile now. You have nothing to offer

I guess I would rather admit to not fully understanding all the holy works of the planet. . .

. . . rather than to claim I know what the nature of truth and divinity really is.

Proverbs 11:2

 

[hobelim]

I was referring to the Bible. They obviously had their own messiah wrong because the NT is a direct contradiction to it.

You are exactly right. At the time of Jesus Jewish messianic expectations were as irrational as Christian expectations are now for the second coming of Christ.

Back then, it was expected that the Messiah was going to defeat the Romans with a magical sword when God farted fiery angels out of the sky to help the Jewish people butcher the Romans and then the Messiah would put an end to death itself… Literally.

That’s why the love thy enemy Jesus was rejected as the Messiah. Damn liberal good doer who had the audacity to party with sinners and prostitutes. And he never even apologized. the nerve!

Now Christians expect Jesus to float down from the sky, and they will float up into the sky to meet him in the air while everybody else burns in the fires of hell, when the dead crawl out of their graves….literally.

******* nuts. Literally.

 

[Quantrill]

The historical nation of Israel no longer exists. . . only its demonic imitation exists.

All of the creator's promises to the nation of Israel were fulfilled by the coming of Christ.

When the Israelites handed the savior over to the Romans as a sacrifice, fulfilling the prophecy, the Israelite's right to be a nation or kingdom ended, forever, along with all of the creator's promises to them.

Israel does exist today as a nation. But, there were many years when it did not. Doesn't matter. None of that changes God's promises to Israel.

No, the promises to Israel have not yet been fulfilled. The promises of the Millennial reign of Christ in Jerusalem over the world remain.

No, the killing of Christ did not change God's promises to Israel. See (Jer. 31:35-37)

Quantrill

 

[MisterBeale]

Israel does exist today as a nation. But, there were many years when it did not. Doesn't matter. None of that changes God's promises to Israel.

No, the promises to Israel have not yet been fulfilled. The promises of the Millennial reign of Christ in Jerusalem over the world remain.

No, the killing of Christ did not change God's promises to Israel. See (Jer. 31:35-37)

Quantrill

SO dumb, and so wrong.

 

[Quantrill]

I was referring to the Bible. They obviously had their own messiah wrong because the NT is a direct contradiction to it.

Some did believe. But Israel on the whole was led astray by its Rabbis and religious leaders. As they continue to do today.

The New Testament is not a contradiction to the Old Testament. Jesus was a contradiction to Judaism in that day.

(Matt. 22:29) "Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God."

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

When Jesus said this, he is referring to Genesis 3:14 where God condemns the talking serpent, a strange creature like you that crawls on his belly in the attempt to beguile people to the lowest place in society

And according to the garbage that comes out of your head, you are already there. No government no human element necessary for the will of God to be fulfilled.

No, Jesus is referring to the future Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ will be set up as King over Israel and Ruler over the world in Righteousness.

And He will rule with a rod of iron, in righteousness. (Rev. 12:5) And then, so will the believers. (Rev. 2:26-27)

My, oh my. That will be 'hell'...won't it?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

SO dumb, and so wrong.

(Jer. 31:35-37)

Doesn't matter what you think. What matters and what will be is what God thinks.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Continued from post #(2)

As was said, the prophets had a difficult time understanding the very Scriptures they wrote concerning the Messiah. (1 Peter 1:10-11) To the degree that some Jews believed there would be two Messiah's. One Who suffered. And One Who would reign in glory. See (Isaiah 53) and (Isaiah 11) But there would not be two Messiahs. There would be two comings of the One Messiah.

But, did Jesus understand the Scriptures concerning Himself, Who was/is the Messiah? Of course He did. But all was necessary to fulfill the plan of God. And Jesus was always obedient to the Father.

Note what Jesus said when He first entered into His ministry after suffering the temptation of Satan. (Luke 4:14-19) "And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit unto Galilee...And he taught in their synagogues...And he came to Nazareth...he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. (Isaiah)

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set a liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."

Jesus was quoting from (Isaiah 61:1-2). But He didn't quote it all. (Isaiah 61:2) ends by saying "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God...." Why did Jesus leave the last part out? Because it pertained to the Second Coming, not the First. The day of vengeance will be the 2nd Coming of Christ.

And of His First Coming Jesus then said to those in the synagogue, (Luke 4:21) "...This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

At this time, in (Isaiah 61:2) between the word 'LORD' and 'and' there are two thousand years of time. And it is still growing. Till Christ returns. The Second Coming. The day of vengeance.

Quantrill

 

[MostBoringManInTheWorld]

So God favors Israel above all other nations and peoples?

Or at least used to?

Why is/was that?

Also, didn't Jacob deceitfully steal Isaac's blessing, which was meant for Esau?

And God knowingly honors that dishonesty and trickery?

 

[Meriweather]

So God favors Israel above all other nations and peoples?

Or at least used to?

Why is/was that?

Also, didn't Jacob deceitfully steal Isaac's blessing, which was meant for Esau?

And God knowingly honors that dishonesty and trickery?

When a parent chooses one child to perform a task/chore, is that the favored child above all the siblings? No. It is because that child is best suited for that particular task. The other children are chosen for other tasks.

God works with what we give him. If we give him deceit, He works that deceit for the good. Note that Esau was given blessings of his own. Also, Esau did not live in fear of Jacob; Jacob lived in fear of Esau.

 

[Quantrill]

So God favors Israel above all other nations and peoples?

Or at least used to?

Why is/was that?

Also, didn't Jacob deceitfully steal Isaac's blessing, which was meant for Esau?

And God knowingly honors that dishonesty and trickery?

(Deut. 7:6-8) "For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

"The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for you were the fewest of all people:

"But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt."

Yes, Jacob was deceitful in obtaining the blessing from Esau. (Gen. 27:1-33) But Esau already sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. (Gen. 25:27-34) Thus Esau despised his birthright. (Gen. 25:34) And God hated Esau, but loved Jacob. (Malachi 1:2-3) (Rom. 9:13)

No, God doesn't honor dishonesty and trickery. And Jacob would pay for it with Laban's dishonesty and trickery to him. (Gen. 29:15-26) The fact is that Esau was never going to get the blessing as he cared not for God or his birthright. And God can accomplish His will even through the wrongs done by man.

The bottom line, God loved Jacob and hated Esau.

Quantrill

 

[ding]

There has never been a time when the kingdom of God has not been in power over the lives and minds of the inhabitants of the Earth.

he was saying that there were some who would not die until they saw that God was already in control of everything.

You literally just contradicted yourself.