Zone1 The Second Coming of Christ

[MisterBeale]

Correct. They fundamentally disagree with who Christ was. They will probably want to brush over their prophecy being unfulfilled.

This thread is by yet another Zion lover, one who hasn't the first clue that one of the modern philosophies of the state that now exists in the middle east, is completely incompatible with the enlightenment philosophy the U.S. was founded upon.

These type of propagandists are now all over the internet, trying to leverage this colossal lie, the one that Zionists are the same as Dispensationalists. Hell, they have the dispensationalists now advocating for a theological bases for the United States.



The simple fact is, it won't ever happen. They ought to just give it up already.

 

[MisterBeale]

Technically anyone who has ever sinned is an author of Christ's death.

Duh.

. . . but then, that is the purpose of sacrifice and redemption, isn't it?

You will much more readily get a Christian's acceptance of said truth, then would the folks over in Israel.



The point I was getting at for the OP, is that the Kingdom of Israel, and the Kingdom of God are NOT the same, and the lord's prayer does not refer to the modern day government of Israel. . .

. . . that is naught but blasphemy.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Pretty much. A lot of modern Christians are stuck in the Old Covenant. In the New Covenant, the "Israel of God" is not a physical nation, it is the body of Christ worldwide, meaning believers in Jesus, regardless of nationality, race, ethnicity, etc.

"There is neither Jew nor Greek...." (Galatians 3:28)

We don't agree on this.
Am I correct in assuming you believe the New Covenant REPLACES the "Old Covenant" -- God's Covenant with PHYSICAL Israel? That is the common Protestant belief and it is error.

 

[onefour1]

We don't agree on this.
Am I correct in assuming you believe the New Covenant REPLACES the "Old Covenant" -- God's Covenant with PHYSICAL Israel? That is the common Protestant belief and it is error.

Israel was scattered throughout many nations and today many people have the blood of Israel. However, those who do not have the blood of Israel are adopted into a tribe of Israel and this is how the gathering of Israel is being conducted in these latter days.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

We don't agree on this.
Am I correct in assuming you believe the New Covenant REPLACES the "Old Covenant" -- God's Covenant with PHYSICAL Israel? That is the common Protestant belief and it is error.

Why do you laugh MisterBeale
Would you I'll like to try to answer the question I asked someone else?
I respect her opinion on biblical topics even though I strongly disagree on this topic. You haven't said enough to impress me

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Israel was scattered throughout many nations and today many people have the blood of Israel. However, those who do not have the blood of Israel are adopted into a tribe of Israel and this is how the gathering of Israel is being conducted in these latter days.

God said His covenant with the NATION of Israel is ETERNAL. They are SEPARATE covenants and God is NOT done with Israel -- ALL ISRAEL and not the Jews only

 

[MisterBeale]

Israel was scattered throughout many nations and today many people have the blood of Israel. However, those who do not have the blood of Israel are adopted into a tribe of Israel and this is how the gathering of Israel is being conducted in these latter days.

So essentially what you are saying here, is that modern Israel is what Revelations was talking about when it referred to, "the beast?"

Yeah, that tacks.

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[onefour1]

That generation is obviously over. It was over loooooooong ago.
I say that because he clearly wasnt. The Messianic age never happened.

Again I point you to post #6 where Jesus told his disciples there would some among them that would not taste of death until he comes again in his kingdom. This means that the generation existing in the days of Jesus did not all pass away but are still among us until Jesus returns. Regarding John the Revelator he told Peter that John would tarry upon the earth until Jesus comes again. So the generation existing in the days of Jesus has not fully passed away but there be some among us that will live up to the time Jesus returns.

 

[MisterBeale]

You haven't said enough to impress me

Interestingly enough, that is what I think about you. I don't see a lot of need to converse then, do you?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So essentially what you are saying here, is that modern Israel is what Revelations was talking about when it referred to, "the beast?"

Yeah, that tacks.

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Yeah, you got nothing

 

[onefour1]

So essentially what you are saying here, is that modern Israel is what Revelations was talking about when it referred to, "the beast?"

Yeah, that tacks.

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Not at all. Has nothing to do with the beast.

 

[MisterBeale]

Yeah, you got nothing

Not at all. Has nothing to do with the beast.

This is what prophecy says will be said about the beast. . .

How do you think it tricks so many into following it?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

MisterBeale thinks funnys will win him the argument. He only displays his ignorance on the topic. You can see that in his contemptuous use of "Zionism" or the belief that Israel has an ETERNAL claim on the Land of Israel.

God's national covenant with ISRAEL will not be fulfilled until His return.

He promised the kingly line would come thru Judah, or the Jews.

To Joseph, He promised a GREAT NATION (the United States) and a GREAT COMPANY OF NATIONS (the children of the British Empire.

Yet His promise has yet to be fully realized until AFTER the Time of JACOB'S Trouble (the Great Tribulation).

This is NOT the "better" covenant He made with His True Church. But it also didn't replace it

 

[TNHarley]

Indeed. The nation of Israel was led astray by their Rabbis and religious leaders.

But, they have a history of rejecting God and the ones God sends to them. So, not surprising.

Quantrill

I was referring to the Bible. They obviously had their own messiah wrong because the NT is a direct contradiction to it.

 

[TNHarley]

That's actually what the bible prophesied....not just the NT, but in the Old Testament! And it's exactly what happened.

No its not. The jewish messiah is human. Humans don't return thousand of years later. They dont resurrect. Etc

 

[ding]

I was referring to the Bible. They obviously had their own messiah wrong because the NT is a direct contradiction to it.

Do they believe their prophecy has been fulfilled? Or are they still waiting?

 

[ding]

No its not. The jewish messiah is human. Humans don't return thousand of years later. They dont resurrect. Etc

You mean according to the OT accounts that you believe are fairy-tales, right?

Which one of those "fairy-tales" lists the things the messiah doesn't do?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

"There is neither Jew nor Greek...." (Galatians 3:28)

In the Church of God

 

[hobelim]

Do they believe their prophecy has been fulfilled? Or are they still waiting?

Apparently they don’t want a messiah. According to some here, they got it all under control.

However, if they were not alerted to the their error they would not be guilty of sin, but because they say “ we see” their guilt remains

 

[ding]

That generation is obviously over. It was over loooooooong ago.
I say that because he clearly wasnt. The Messianic age never happened.

Because it couldn't possible be that the OT foretold what would happen. right?

Isaiah 53:1-12

Who would believe what we have heard? To whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up like a sapling before him, like a shoot from the parched earth; He had no majestic bearing to catch our eye, no beauty to draw us to him. He was spurned and avoided by men, a man of suffering, knowing pain, Like one from whom you turn your face, spurned, and we held him in no esteem. Yet it was our pain that he bore, our sufferings he endured. We thought of him as stricken, struck down by God and afflicted, But he was pierced for our sins, crushed for our iniquity. He bore the punishment that makes us whole, by his wounds we were healed. We had all gone astray like sheep, all following our own way; But the LORD laid upon him the guilt of us all. Though harshly treated, he submitted and did not open his mouth; Like a lamb led to slaughter or a sheep silent before shearers, he did not open his mouth. Seized and condemned, he was taken away. Who would have thought any more of his destiny? For he was cut off from the land of the living, struck for the sins of his people. He was given a grave among the wicked, a burial place with evildoers, Though he had done no wrong, nor was deceit found in his mouth. But it was the LORD’s will to crush him with pain. By making his life as a reparation offering, he shall see his offspring, shall lengthen his days, and the LORD’s will shall be accomplished through him. Because of his anguish he shall see the light; because of his knowledge he shall be content; My servant, the just one, shall justify the many, their iniquity he shall bear. Therefore I will give him his portion among the many, and he shall divide the spoils with the mighty, Because he surrendered himself to death, was counted among the transgressors, Bore the sins of many, and interceded for the transgressors.