The Invention of the Land of Israel

[Roudy]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Who sent you an Israeli propaganda manual?

This is right out of the book.

It's reality.

 

[MHunterB]

Reality is the best 'propaganda'.

 

[irosie91]

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R[/quote]

Who sent you an Israeli propaganda manual?

This is right out of the book.[/QUOTE]



what "book" is that tinsy? I have read extensively in an very eclectic
manner-----I have read lots of islamo nazi propaganda ---but never came
across either a book or pamphlet devoted to "israeli propaganda"

 

[Hossfly]

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129


I do not trvialize ANY deaths----nor to I analyze in an idiotic manner.
Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents. I once worked in a hospital----with a catchment area of less than
two square miles-----in the USA----which saw more than 100 murders
per year-------GSW to the head was part of my job. It is amazing how
long a person with a .22 lodged deep in the brain----continues
to have a HEART BEAT Another amazing factoid is---the number of bullets
in the heads of bystanders--(they were not considered
in the number "murdererd") I lived in the area for one year
-----never let my kid out alone-----and blocked his access to windows --
---IN THE USA. You made a good point-----"palestinians" and,
and muslims in general----should stop using those poison nail bombs
they so favor -----because there is always a RESPONSE In the
USA ----drug busts are DANGEROUS ----even to bystanders
the term is collateral damage---not "MURDER"

Hands on slitting of an infant's throat IS MURDER---as is death by
poison nail bomb. Return fire is never "murder" especially if the
return fire is in the trajectory of the incoming fire. If Israel
were to RETURN a missile----for every kassam that lands
in Israel-----the death toll of "palestinian" children would be
even higher than approximately 100 per year and ENTIRELY
LEGAL. The toll reflects Israel's restraint

Even if you are not a lawyer----it is important
to use words CORRECTLY

Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents.

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe and started a war with the Zionists?

Putting aside what happened in Munich and the hijackings, those so-called Palestinians who came from their poor surrounding Middle East countries certainly had ancestors who did make war on the inhabitants who were living there. And, of course, later on, they continued on in Europe until they were stopped at the Gates of Vienna.

Islam Watch - History of Jihad Authors

 

[georgephillip]

Courtesy of Antiwar.com:

"Zionism was originally a tendency of the Left, a subset of the socialist movement inspired by Marx, the German Social Democracy, and the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party of Lenin's time.

"As such, it was egalitarian, internationalist, and its militants were convinced that with the onset of true socialism, all racial and religious strife would automatically disappear along with capitalism, the nuclear family, and bourgeois individualism.

"It was only later that the right-wing 'revisionist school, embodied by today's Likud party, arose amid the realities of the Zionist project.

"For the onset of Israeli socialism did not give rise to the idyllic commune envisioned by Zionists of the Left, but to an increasingly militarized and expansionist society that turned the Palestinians into an inferior caste. Labor Zionism created the supreme irony: Israeli national socialism."

Currently, those "realities of the Zionist project" seem to require the transfer of most of the indigenous population of Palestine to refugee camps beyond the borders of Greater Israel, if such borders have yet been determined.

 

[pbel]

Courtesy of Antiwar.com:

"Zionism was originally a tendency of the Left, a subset of the socialist movement inspired by Marx, the German Social Democracy, and the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party of Lenin's time.

"As such, it was egalitarian, internationalist, and its militants were convinced that with the onset of true socialism, all racial and religious strife would automatically disappear along with capitalism, the nuclear family, and bourgeois individualism.

"It was only later that the right-wing 'revisionist school, embodied by today's Likud party, arose amid the realities of the Zionist project.

"For the onset of Israeli socialism did not give rise to the idyllic commune envisioned by Zionists of the Left, but to an increasingly militarized and expansionist society that turned the Palestinians into an inferior caste. Labor Zionism created the supreme irony: Israeli national socialism."

Currently, those "realities of the Zionist project" seem to require the transfer of most of the indigenous population of Palestine to refugee camps beyond the borders of Greater Israel, if such borders have yet been determined.

That's why the world especially the West, tried to help out the Jewish People. The Original Kibbutz Generation was idealistic and wanted to live in Harmony...only the Irgun animals morphed into the Likud and started the National Socialist oppression that identifies with Israel today.

Just look at World Popularity poles today, people know what’s’ going on in Palestine, she is delegitimizing her-self at the UN, and from a world of sympathy she is now the pariah of the world.

The truth, be told!

 

[Hossfly]

Courtesy of Antiwar.com:

"Zionism was originally a tendency of the Left, a subset of the socialist movement inspired by Marx, the German Social Democracy, and the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party of Lenin's time.

"As such, it was egalitarian, internationalist, and its militants were convinced that with the onset of true socialism, all racial and religious strife would automatically disappear along with capitalism, the nuclear family, and bourgeois individualism.

"It was only later that the right-wing 'revisionist school, embodied by today's Likud party, arose amid the realities of the Zionist project.

"For the onset of Israeli socialism did not give rise to the idyllic commune envisioned by Zionists of the Left, but to an increasingly militarized and expansionist society that turned the Palestinians into an inferior caste. Labor Zionism created the supreme irony: Israeli national socialism."

Currently, those "realities of the Zionist project" seem to require the transfer of most of the indigenous population of Palestine to refugee camps beyond the borders of Greater Israel, if such borders have yet been determined.

Now that Georgie Boy has posted his shtick about Leftist Zionism, I know he will enjoy reading this one.

๑۩۞۩๑ Voice of the Believers.๑۩۞۩๑

 

[georgephillip]

Courtesy of Antiwar.com:

"Zionism was originally a tendency of the Left, a subset of the socialist movement inspired by Marx, the German Social Democracy, and the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party of Lenin's time.

"As such, it was egalitarian, internationalist, and its militants were convinced that with the onset of true socialism, all racial and religious strife would automatically disappear along with capitalism, the nuclear family, and bourgeois individualism.

"It was only later that the right-wing 'revisionist school, embodied by today's Likud party, arose amid the realities of the Zionist project.

"For the onset of Israeli socialism did not give rise to the idyllic commune envisioned by Zionists of the Left, but to an increasingly militarized and expansionist society that turned the Palestinians into an inferior caste. Labor Zionism created the supreme irony: Israeli national socialism."

Currently, those "realities of the Zionist project" seem to require the transfer of most of the indigenous population of Palestine to refugee camps beyond the borders of Greater Israel, if such borders have yet been determined.

That's why the world especially the West, tried to help out the Jewish People. The Original Kibbutz Generation was idealistic and wanted to live in Harmony...only the Irgun animals morphed into the Likud and started the National Socialist oppression that identifies with Israel today.

Just look at World Popularity poles today, people know what’s’ going on in Palestine, she is delegitimizing her-self at the UN, and from a world of sympathy she is now the pariah of the world.

The truth, be told!

Chomsky often makes the same point, namely, that many original Zionists were well aware of the ethnic cleansing that would be required to garrison a Jewish homeland in the heart of Arab oil. Two generations later, recent events in Gaza would seem to bear them out:

"The pattern of bombing under Cast Lead was carefully analyzed by the highly informed and internationally respected Gazan human rights advocate Raji Sourani.

"He points out that the bombing was concentrated in the north, targeting defenseless civilians in the most densely populated areas, with no possible military pretext. The goal, he suggests, may have been to drive the intimidated population to the south, near the Egyptian border.

"But the Samidin stayed put, despite the avalanche of US-Israeli terror.

"A further goal might have been to drive them beyond. Back to the earliest days of the Zionist colonization it was argued across much of the spectrum that Arabs have no real reason to be in Palestine; they can be just as happy somewhere else, and should leave — politely 'transferred,' the doves suggested."

Impressions of Gaza

 

[georgephillip]

Courtesy of Antiwar.com:

"Zionism was originally a tendency of the Left, a subset of the socialist movement inspired by Marx, the German Social Democracy, and the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party of Lenin's time.

"As such, it was egalitarian, internationalist, and its militants were convinced that with the onset of true socialism, all racial and religious strife would automatically disappear along with capitalism, the nuclear family, and bourgeois individualism.

"It was only later that the right-wing 'revisionist school, embodied by today's Likud party, arose amid the realities of the Zionist project.

"For the onset of Israeli socialism did not give rise to the idyllic commune envisioned by Zionists of the Left, but to an increasingly militarized and expansionist society that turned the Palestinians into an inferior caste. Labor Zionism created the supreme irony: Israeli national socialism."

Currently, those "realities of the Zionist project" seem to require the transfer of most of the indigenous population of Palestine to refugee camps beyond the borders of Greater Israel, if such borders have yet been determined.

Now that Georgie Boy has posted his shtick about Leftist Zionism, I know he will enjoy reading this one.

๑۩۞۩๑ Voice of the Believers.๑۩۞۩๑

Hossie, it will take me a minute to read all of this; however, I couldn't help wondering about this:

" Members of the Muslim Brotherhood would often say prayers for an Axis victory during their meetings. Moreover, some Muslims went so far as to fantasize over putative Islamic affinities of fascist leaders.

"For example, rumors abounded that Benito Mussolini was an Egyptian Muslim whose real name was Musa Nili (Moses of the Nile) and that Adolf Hitler too had secretly converted to Islam and bore the name Hayder, or 'the brave one.' (Published in 1987, see Amir Taheri, Holy Terror: Inside the World of Islamic Terrorism, p. 50.)"

How are the "Irgun animals" mentioned above who also offered to collaborate with Nazis any better?

 

[Hossfly]

Courtesy of Antiwar.com:

"Zionism was originally a tendency of the Left, a subset of the socialist movement inspired by Marx, the German Social Democracy, and the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party of Lenin's time.

"As such, it was egalitarian, internationalist, and its militants were convinced that with the onset of true socialism, all racial and religious strife would automatically disappear along with capitalism, the nuclear family, and bourgeois individualism.

"It was only later that the right-wing 'revisionist school, embodied by today's Likud party, arose amid the realities of the Zionist project.

"For the onset of Israeli socialism did not give rise to the idyllic commune envisioned by Zionists of the Left, but to an increasingly militarized and expansionist society that turned the Palestinians into an inferior caste. Labor Zionism created the supreme irony: Israeli national socialism."

Currently, those "realities of the Zionist project" seem to require the transfer of most of the indigenous population of Palestine to refugee camps beyond the borders of Greater Israel, if such borders have yet been determined.

Now that Georgie Boy has posted his shtick about Leftist Zionism, I know he will enjoy reading this one.

๑۩۞۩๑ Voice of the Believers.๑۩۞۩๑

Hossie, it will take me a minute to read all of this; however, I couldn't help wondering about this:

" Members of the Muslim Brotherhood would often say prayers for an Axis victory during their meetings. Moreover, some Muslims went so far as to fantasize over putative Islamic affinities of fascist leaders.

"For example, rumors abounded that Benito Mussolini was an Egyptian Muslim whose real name was Musa Nili (Moses of the Nile) and that Adolf Hitler too had secretly converted to Islam and bore the name Hayder, or 'the brave one.' (Published in 1987, see Amir Taheri, Holy Terror: Inside the World of Islamic Terrorism, p. 50.)"

How are the "Irgun animals" mentioned above who also offered to collaborate with Nazis any better?

What was the Irgun going to do with the Nazis? Kill Jews?

 

[georgephillip]

Now that Georgie Boy has posted his shtick about Leftist Zionism, I know he will enjoy reading this one.

๑۩۞۩๑ Voice of the Believers.๑۩۞۩๑

Hossie, it will take me a minute to read all of this; however, I couldn't help wondering about this:

" Members of the Muslim Brotherhood would often say prayers for an Axis victory during their meetings. Moreover, some Muslims went so far as to fantasize over putative Islamic affinities of fascist leaders.

"For example, rumors abounded that Benito Mussolini was an Egyptian Muslim whose real name was Musa Nili (Moses of the Nile) and that Adolf Hitler too had secretly converted to Islam and bore the name Hayder, or 'the brave one.' (Published in 1987, see Amir Taheri, Holy Terror: Inside the World of Islamic Terrorism, p. 50.)"

How are the "Irgun animals" mentioned above who also offered to collaborate with Nazis any better?

What was the Irgun going to do with the Nazis? Kill Jews?

Kill Brits stationed in Palestine during WWII.

 

[irosie91]

you are somewhat confused the IRGUN----- unlike you and your fellow
nazis ------did not love adolf hitler. They saw him for the garbage he was--
something like a beast that must be cajoled and placated whilst
saving people from his and your filth. Your fellow isa-respecters express and
actually do LOVE your beloved adolf -----there is a huge difference between
worship-------and attempt to PAY-OFF AND GET AWAY FROM-----which has been
a mode for jews in relationship to your kith and kin for many centuries. When
Jesus said "render unto pig ceasar that which is the pig's" he was advising
"give the filth what they want and stay clear"----which is precisely what Irgun
was trying to do. In fact it is precisely what JOSEPHUS FLAVIUS
wanted to do and did with the romans -------a way to survive your stench

The pact of omar is another survival thing for jews-----they signed the
piece of filth in order to get the isa-respecters off their backs

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

The biggest acts of terrorism carried out in History were the US bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

So, your calling Palestinians all terrorists is laughable.

And it is even more laughable (I lmao at that argument) to argue terrorism is a reason to deny statehood to a people.

The fact is the right of self determination under intl law does not require a people to prove they are not terrorists to have a state.

So many terrorist states like the US and Israel exist in our world today, it becomes perfectly clear that terrorism and statehood go together, they go together like a horse and carriage.

Every time the US uses a drone and kills an innocent civilian somewhere in our world, we loudle announce and proclaim to the entire world the terrorist state we are.

I hate what happened in Boston, but there is justice in it, God's Justice, a God who tells man, through the words of Jesus Christ, that those who live by the sword shall die by the sword.

Every victim of terrorism in the US is paying for US terrorism around the world, including terrorism in Afghanistan and Palestine!

I just need to add that I do not see the Palestinian struggle for a state as terrorism, but as resisting Occupation. Resisting Occupation is 100 per cent lawful under intl law. Armed resistance is 100 percent lawful under intl law.


Sherri

 

[georgephillip]

you are somewhat confused the IRGUN----- unlike you and your fellow
nazis ------did not love adolf hitler. They saw him for the garbage he was--
something like a beast that must be cajoled and placated whilst
saving people from his and your filth. Your fellow isa-respecters express and
actually do LOVE your beloved adolf -----there is a huge difference between
worship-------and attempt to PAY-OFF AND GET AWAY FROM-----which has been
a mode for jews in relationship to your kith and kin for many centuries. When
Jesus said "render unto pig ceasar that which is the pig's" he was advising
"give the filth what they want and stay clear"----which is precisely what Irgun
was trying to do. In fact it is precisely what JOSEPHUS FLAVIUS
wanted to do and did with the romans -------a way to survive your stench

The pact of omar is another survival thing for jews-----they signed the
piece of filth in order to get the isa-respecters off their backs

Jews collaborate with Jew killers to save Jew lives...
That about it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution,...

Like what?

 

[Hossfly]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution,...

Like what?

How come you're the only person in the world who can't figure it out. Jesus!

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution,...

Like what?

How come you're the only person in the world who can't figure it out. Jesus!

Because people who pretend to know everything don't answer questions.

 

[Hossfly]

Like what?

How come you're the only person in the world who can't figure it out. Jesus!

Because people who pretend to know everything don't answer questions.

You have it firmly embedded in your mind so why don't you spell it out because you won't accept what Rocco says even when he's 100% correct.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How come you're the only person in the world who can't figure it out. Jesus!

Because people who pretend to know everything don't answer questions.

You have it firmly embedded in your mind so why don't you spell it out because you won't accept what Rocco says even when he's 100% correct.

Perhaps Rocco should be the one answering the question that I asked of him.

 

[irosie91]

Mr R knows the DSM -----that does it for me