The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel.

[ShahdagMountains]

The Myth of the Empty Land​

When we learn Jewish history, the story of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel seems to end with the Jewish-Roman wars of the 1st and 2nd centuries. From there, normative history courses shift to the Diaspora: the Talmudic academies in Babylonia, the Golden Age in Spain, Jewish life in Eastern Europe. The implied takeaway is that the Jewish population in the Land of Israel rapidly collapsed and was virtually nonexistent for 2,000 years, until the waves of mass immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

In this perspective, the Land of Israel is depicted as a memory, a place to long for in prayer, but long since left behind, until modern times.

The Musta'arabi Jews make a vital point in today's debate over Jewish indigeneity. We are not colonizers arriving on a foreign shore. We are a people returning to our family home, where a small, stubborn group of relatives kept the lights on and refused to leave. While the rest of the nation scattered like seeds to the wind, these Jews stayed.

The Musta'arabim no longer exist as a distinct group, but an estimated 10 percent of Israeli Jews are their descendants, an unbroken chain reaching back to Biblical times.

The prophet Isaiah wrote:

"And the Lord removes the people far away, and the deserted places be many in the midst of the land. And when there is yet a tenth of it, it will again be purged, like the terebinth and like the oak, which in the fall have but a trunk, the holy seed is its trunk." (Isaiah 6:12-13)

The branches scattered. The trunk held.

The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel | Aish

For 2,000 years, while Jews scattered across the globe, a small group never left the Land of Israel. Almost no one has heard of them.

aish.com

 

[rosends]

The Myth of the Empty Land​

When we learn Jewish history, the story of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel seems to end with the Jewish-Roman wars of the 1st and 2nd centuries. From there, normative history courses shift to the Diaspora: the Talmudic academies in Babylonia, the Golden Age in Spain, Jewish life in Eastern Europe. The implied takeaway is that the Jewish population in the Land of Israel rapidly collapsed and was virtually nonexistent for 2,000 years, until the waves of mass immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

In this perspective, the Land of Israel is depicted as a memory, a place to long for in prayer, but long since left behind, until modern times.

The Musta'arabi Jews make a vital point in today's debate over Jewish indigeneity. We are not colonizers arriving on a foreign shore. We are a people returning to our family home, where a small, stubborn group of relatives kept the lights on and refused to leave. While the rest of the nation scattered like seeds to the wind, these Jews stayed.

The Musta'arabim no longer exist as a distinct group, but an estimated 10 percent of Israeli Jews are their descendants, an unbroken chain reaching back to Biblical times.

The prophet Isaiah wrote:

"And the Lord removes the people far away, and the deserted places be many in the midst of the land. And when there is yet a tenth of it, it will again be purged, like the terebinth and like the oak, which in the fall have but a trunk, the holy seed is its trunk." (Isaiah 6:12-13)

The branches scattered. The trunk held.

The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel | Aish

For 2,000 years, while Jews scattered across the globe, a small group never left the Land of Israel. Almost no one has heard of them.

aish.com

here is a good resource to keep handy

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[Dogmaphobe]

Antisemites do not care. They will just continue on repeating terrorist propaganda in terms of "colonizers" and whatnot.

Remember, these are not the brightest bulbs in the Marquee, you know. I mean, how can you "colonize" a land filled with places named by your very own people, eh?

 

[Thethingsz]

The Myth of the Empty Land​

When we learn Jewish history, the story of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel seems to end with the Jewish-Roman wars of the 1st and 2nd centuries. From there, normative history courses shift to the Diaspora: the Talmudic academies in Babylonia, the Golden Age in Spain, Jewish life in Eastern Europe. The implied takeaway is that the Jewish population in the Land of Israel rapidly collapsed and was virtually nonexistent for 2,000 years, until the waves of mass immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

In this perspective, the Land of Israel is depicted as a memory, a place to long for in prayer, but long since left behind, until modern times.

The Musta'arabi Jews make a vital point in today's debate over Jewish indigeneity. We are not colonizers arriving on a foreign shore. We are a people returning to our family home, where a small, stubborn group of relatives kept the lights on and refused to leave. While the rest of the nation scattered like seeds to the wind, these Jews stayed.

The Musta'arabim no longer exist as a distinct group, but an estimated 10 percent of Israeli Jews are their descendants, an unbroken chain reaching back to Biblical times.

The prophet Isaiah wrote:

"And the Lord removes the people far away, and the deserted places be many in the midst of the land. And when there is yet a tenth of it, it will again be purged, like the terebinth and like the oak, which in the fall have but a trunk, the holy seed is its trunk." (Isaiah 6:12-13)

The branches scattered. The trunk held.

The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel | Aish

For 2,000 years, while Jews scattered across the globe, a small group never left the Land of Israel. Almost no one has heard of them.

aish.com

Thanks

 

[norwegen]

From the link: "While the Romans devastated Jerusalem and the Judean countryside, Jewish life and rabbinic leadership simply shifted north."

The fact is that Rome - mostly by bloodshed and partly by exile - rid Judea of Jews and Judaism. Virtually no trace of them existed in the new country of Syria-Palestina.

 

[Thethingsz]

From the link: "While the Romans devastated Jerusalem and the Judean countryside, Jewish life and rabbinic leadership simply shifted north."

The fact is that Rome - mostly by bloodshed and partly by exile - rid Judea of Jews and Judaism. Virtually no trace of them existed in the new country of Syria-Palestina.

Most, but not all. There was Rabban Yochanan & Vespasian-Give Me Yavneh and Its Sages

 

[norwegen]

Most, but not all. There was Rabban Yochanan & Vespasian-Give Me Yavneh and Its Sages

Hmm. No mention of these Musta'arabi Jews in your link. Just a story that occurred during the first Jewish-Roman war, which is odd because I was referencing the bar Kokhba Revolt some six decades later when the Romans rid the land of Jews and Judaism. (Although realistically, Judaism had been destroyed in the first war when the temple fell because it was fundamentally a temple cult.)

You may wish to continue grasping at straws to find Jews in Syria-Palestina, but for all intents and purposes, none lived there.

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[Thethingsz]

From the link: "While the Romans devastated Jerusalem and the Judean countryside, Jewish life and rabbinic leadership simply shifted north."

The fact is that Rome - mostly by bloodshed and partly by exile - rid Judea of Jews and Judaism. Virtually no trace of them existed in the new country of Syria-Palestina.

Most, but not all. There was [https://ideas.tikvah.org/meirsolove...an-ben-zakkai-and-the-creation-of-yavnehYavne by R. Y.B.Z].

Hmm. No mention of these ... Jews in your link.

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You're right. I'm not quoting from the link.

 

[Churchill]

The Myth of the Empty Land​

When we learn Jewish history, the story of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel seems to end with the Jewish-Roman wars of the 1st and 2nd centuries. From there, normative history courses shift to the Diaspora: the Talmudic academies in Babylonia, the Golden Age in Spain, Jewish life in Eastern Europe. The implied takeaway is that the Jewish population in the Land of Israel rapidly collapsed and was virtually nonexistent for 2,000 years, until the waves of mass immigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.

In this perspective, the Land of Israel is depicted as a memory, a place to long for in prayer, but long since left behind, until modern times.

The Musta'arabi Jews make a vital point in today's debate over Jewish indigeneity. We are not colonizers arriving on a foreign shore. We are a people returning to our family home, where a small, stubborn group of relatives kept the lights on and refused to leave. While the rest of the nation scattered like seeds to the wind, these Jews stayed.

The Musta'arabim no longer exist as a distinct group, but an estimated 10 percent of Israeli Jews are their descendants, an unbroken chain reaching back to Biblical times.

The prophet Isaiah wrote:

"And the Lord removes the people far away, and the deserted places be many in the midst of the land. And when there is yet a tenth of it, it will again be purged, like the terebinth and like the oak, which in the fall have but a trunk, the holy seed is its trunk." (Isaiah 6:12-13)

The branches scattered. The trunk held.

The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel | Aish

For 2,000 years, while Jews scattered across the globe, a small group never left the Land of Israel. Almost no one has heard of them.

aish.com

Jacob abandoned Canaan and took his family to Egypt for hundreds of years, due to a famine, so much for the "fertile" crescent.

Furthermore that famine in Canaan lasted only seven years but the Jacob clans chose not to return to Canaan, preferring to stay in Egypt for centuries, they spoke Egyptian. Sounds to me like a a true emigration, a complete abandonment of Canaan.

If anywhere can be called the home of the Israelites/Jews it's Egypt not Palestine, the vast majority of the Israelites were born and raised in Egypt over many centuries. They were made a "great nation" in Egypt not Canaan/Palestine!

Moreover 70-odd people in the Jacob family left Canaan and settled in Egypt, those people won't have occupied much land in Canaan. When they eventually did return four hundred years later, expecting to settle two million people there seems pretty much a colonization to me. First the original land occupied by Jacob's family would be far too small for two million Israelites, it seems pretty presumptuous to claim that such a horde had any "right" to colonize at all.

When those two million arrived in Canaan the land was already occupied by Canaanite city‑states, Amorites, Hittites, Jebusites, Perizzites, Hivites and others who had been living there for centuries and a violent ethnic cleansing campaign (sound familiar?) began and later "settlement" took place on the stolen land.

One has to jump through many hoops to "prove" that Jewish people today have a "right" to ethnicallty cleanse non-Jews from their homeland, it takes some pretty nimble dot-joining to get to "support" that conclusion.

 

[Churchill]

Just as other Muslim propagandists citing one binlical paragraph. There was once a famine, then there was not.

So?

99.99% of the Israelites at the time of the Exodus were born and raised and educated in Egypt, that's their homeland not Palestine, they gave up any title to that 400 years earlier when the family of 70 emigrated to Egypt.

 

[Thethingsz]

Jacob abandoned Canaan and took his family to Egypt for hundreds of years, due to a famine, so much for the "fertile" crescent.

Just as other Muslim propagandists citing one binlical paragraph. There was once a famine, then there was not.

And many, many years later the Jews/Israelite entered the promised land uner Joshua.

But you are quoting something that happened almost 500 years before they entered the land. Then they had a abundance. A very fertile land then.

So?

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[Churchill]

And many, many years later the Jews/Israelite entered the promised land uner Joshua.

They colonized Canaan, two million people left their home in Egypt and colonized Canaan, killing anyone who opposed them.

But you are quoting something that happened years before they entered the land.

Yes, I'm recounting what they did, they (an extended family of 70) abandoned Canaan and then came back with a huge army 400 years later and colonized the place.

 

[Churchill]

Just as other Muslim propagandists citing one binlical paragraph. There was once a famine, then there was not.

And many, many years later the Jews/Israelite entered the promised land uner Joshua.

But you are quoting something that happened almost 500 years before they entered the land. Then they had a abundance. A very fertile land then.

So?

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Yes I know.

 

[Thethingsz]

...were born and raised and educated in Egypt, that's their homeland ...

Of course you disagree with God. We know that

 

[Churchill]

Of course you disagree with God. We know that

Everything I said was true, how is that disagreeing with God?

 

[Thethingsz]

Everything I said was true, how is that disagreeing with God?

Genesis 15.

 

[Churchill]

Genesis 15.

No, state your argument don't just post the number of a chapter of a book.

What have I written that you think is disagreeing with God?

 

[Thethingsz]

No, state your argument don't just post the number of a chapter of a book.

To show you disagree with God see Gen.15:8, 17:7-8.
No arguments.
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Even your Koran says God gave the land to the Jews.

The Blogs: Zionist Quran: Allah Chose the Children of Israel Over All Nations

From the blog of Micah Ben David Naziri at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

 

[Churchill]

Even your Koran says God gave the land to the Jews.

The Blogs: Zionist Quran: Allah Chose the Children of Israel Over All Nations

From the blog of Micah Ben David Naziri at The Times of Israel

blogs.timesofisrael.com

What did I write that you claim is disagreeing with God?

 

[Thethingsz]

What did I write that you claim is disagreeing with God?

Just quoting God's words. Not what "i" say.

Gen.15:8, 17:7-8.

Excluding (Arabs) Ishmael:
Gen 21:12.