The Invention of the Land of Israel

[toastman]

Who were the Palestinians to say wether or wether not Jews can come to the British Mandate of Palestine ? They did not have control over that territory . In fact NEVER in history have the so called 'Palestinians' had control over any of the territory. Except Gaza
The British recognized the Jewish People's historical right to have a homeland and they recognized their need to have a safe Haven. Im not saying the So called Palestinians couldn't express their opinion on the issue, but they had no right to tell the Jews not to come. And it was the Arabs who initated the war, but feel free to distort history as you please

Britain violated the League of Nations charter. That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

And what right did the so called Palestinians have to determine wether the Jews can or can't establish a homeland in the British Mandate of Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Britain violated the League of Nations charter. That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

And what right did the so called Palestinians have to determine wether the Jews can or can't establish a homeland in the British Mandate of Palestine?

According to the League of Nations Covenant Britain was to follow the wishes of the Palestinians. They violated that covenant.

That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

 

[toastman]

And what right did the so called Palestinians have to determine wether the Jews can or can't establish a homeland in the British Mandate of Palestine?

According to the League of Nations Covenant Britain was to follow the wishes of the Palestinians. They violated that covenant.

That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

Got a link to the first statement?

and what right of the so called Palestinians are you talking about

 

[Roudy]

tinsy-----you have claimed that I, (irose) have asserted that
muslims slit the throats of jewish infants "everyday" You are
a gross liar -----in a very vile manner. However ---I have
encountered persons like you who trivialize atrocity---- pieces
of crap in my own hometown-----who trivialized the lynchings of
blacks in South USA------as "not happening everyday"
Unfortunately you are not unique among the people who dance
on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions of your victims.
People just like you----ONE DAY----grabbed two of my little
baby austrian cousins by the ankles and smashed their heads
against a brick wall------not every day----just ONE DAY---
two little girls with blond curly hair-----it did not even take
a WHOLE day-----just a few seconds

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129

Remember These Children

Many of those children are 14 to 18 year olds Jihadi recruits. It's not Israel's fault Palestinians don't value human life including their own. Your propaganda is old and stale.

 

[Roudy]

And what right did the so called Palestinians have to determine wether the Jews can or can't establish a homeland in the British Mandate of Palestine?

According to the League of Nations Covenant Britain was to follow the wishes of the Palestinians. They violated that covenant.

That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

According to the League of Nations, Jews were supposed to get all of Israel and Jordan, then Compromised to getting just east of the Jordan river. Get it right, liar.

 

[irosie91]

Who were the Palestinians to say wether or wether not Jews can come to the British Mandate of Palestine ? They did not have control over that territory . In fact NEVER in history have the so called 'Palestinians' had control over any of the territory. Except Gaza
The British recognized the Jewish People's historical right to have a homeland and they recognized their need to have a safe Haven. Im not saying the So called Palestinians couldn't express their opinion on the issue, but they had no right to tell the Jews not to come. And it was the Arabs who initated the war, but feel free to distort history as you please

Britain violated the League of Nations charter. That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

wrong again tinsy----it was the OTTOMANS who violated the rights of the arab
muslims living in Palestine -----to impose shariah law upon the jews living in palestine
and who violated shariah law by SELLING land to jews just as the ABOLITIONISTS
in the USA violated your right to own slaves. The people who suddenly decided to
call themselves "palestinians" in the 1960s LOST THEIR RIGHTS to a modern
age that does not except enslavement ------do you realize that somewhere in the early
1920s the ottomans tried to do away with the DHIMMI ORPHAN law by which
muslims obtained their slaves? It was a HORROR FOR THEM ---it is a
PILLAR OF ISLAM first ownership of land and then loss of their RIGHT
to kill an man and enslaves his kids (if he was not a muslim) ---there are an estimated
35,000 such slaves still in sudan------losing one's slaves is traumatic.

remember "40 acres and a mule'?? so many felt violated by that idea---
of course it never came to pass-------you won that battle

 

[P F Tinmore]

Britain violated the League of Nations charter. That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

wrong again tinsy----it was the OTTOMANS who violated the rights of the arab
muslims living in Palestine -----to impose shariah law upon the jews living in palestine
and who violated shariah law by SELLING land to jews just as the ABOLITIONISTS
in the USA violated your right to own slaves. The people who suddenly decided to
call themselves "palestinians" in the 1960s LOST THEIR RIGHTS to a modern
age that does not except enslavement ------do you realize that somewhere in the early
1920s the ottomans tried to do away with the DHIMMI ORPHAN law by which
muslims obtained their slaves? It was a HORROR FOR THEM ---it is a
PILLAR OF ISLAM first ownership of land and then loss of their RIGHT
to kill an man and enslaves his kids (if he was not a muslim) ---there are an estimated
35,000 such slaves still in sudan------losing one's slaves is traumatic.

remember "40 acres and a mule'?? so many felt violated by that idea---
of course it never came to pass-------you won that battle

Irrelevant.

The Ottomans were gone.

 

[toastman]

Tinnie, why did you ignore post 63

 

[P F Tinmore]

According to the League of Nations Covenant Britain was to follow the wishes of the Palestinians. They violated that covenant.

That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

Got a link to the first statement?

and what right of the so called Palestinians are you talking about

Sure.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

 

[irosie91]

According to the League of Nations Covenant Britain was to follow the wishes of the Palestinians. They violated that covenant.

That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.

Got a link to the first statement?

and what right of the so called Palestinians are you talking about

Obviously,,, he means the RIGHTS of arab muslims living in palestine to
oppress jews in accordance with shariah law. Lots of muslims went nuts just
on the proposed loss of their right to confiscate and enslave non muslim orphans---
it was in the 1920s----that right was RESTORED in the early 1930s ---but not
in palestine-----in other lands where brits hummer "HAIL BRITANNIA"

 

[toastman]

Got a link to the first statement?

and what right of the so called Palestinians are you talking about

Sure.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

Show me where it says they violated the covenant and then show me about these rights the so called Palestinians had

 

[irosie91]

wrong again tinsy----it was the OTTOMANS who violated the rights of the arab
muslims living in Palestine -----to impose shariah law upon the jews living in palestine
and who violated shariah law by SELLING land to jews just as the ABOLITIONISTS
in the USA violated your right to own slaves. The people who suddenly decided to
call themselves "palestinians" in the 1960s LOST THEIR RIGHTS to a modern
age that does not except enslavement ------do you realize that somewhere in the early
1920s the ottomans tried to do away with the DHIMMI ORPHAN law by which
muslims obtained their slaves? It was a HORROR FOR THEM ---it is a
PILLAR OF ISLAM first ownership of land and then loss of their RIGHT
to kill an man and enslaves his kids (if he was not a muslim) ---there are an estimated
35,000 such slaves still in sudan------losing one's slaves is traumatic.

remember "40 acres and a mule'?? so many felt violated by that idea---
of course it never came to pass-------you won that battle

Irrelevant.

The Ottomans were gone.

right and then there were the BRITS -----and there was your good
old pal---AL HUSSEINI ----adolf's choice and before that the decade
of the 1920s and those unbridled baby throat slittings you so enjoyed

 

[P F Tinmore]

Sure.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

Show me where it says they violated the covenant and then show me about these rights the so called Palestinians had

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

 

[toastman]

Show me where it says they violated the covenant and then show me about these rights the so called Palestinians had

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

You still didnt prove that the covenant was broken. Also. As far as communities, wouldn't they also be reffering to the Jewish ones?

 

[georgephillip]

Along with billions of US taxpayer dollars, American lives have always been a requirement for a Jewish state in the heart of Arab oil:

"The Beirut Barracks Bombing (October 23, 1983 in Beirut, Lebanon) occurred during the Lebanese Civil War, when two truck bombs struck separate buildings housing United States and French military forces—members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon—killing 299 American and French servicemen. The organization Islamic Jihad, later known as Hezbollah, claimed responsibility for the bombing.[1]"

No Jewish state in 1948?
No Hezbollah in 1984.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Marine_barracks_bombing

 

[P F Tinmore]

To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilisation and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognized subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The wishes of these communities must be a principal consideration in the selection of the Mandatory.

Avalon Project - The Covenant of the League of Nations

You still didnt prove that the covenant was broken. Also. As far as communities, wouldn't they also be reffering to the Jewish ones?

That would include all of the Muslims, Christians, and Jews who inhabited Palestine at the onset of the mandatory.

 

[toastman]

You still didnt prove that the covenant was broken. Also. As far as communities, wouldn't they also be reffering to the Jewish ones?

That would include all of the Muslims, Christians, and Jews who inhabited Palestine at the onset of the mandatory.

Indeed

 

[proudveteran06]

That is not true. The Palestinians have always recognized the right of the native Jews to live in Palestine. That is their homeland.

The above is not true. Going back to ancient History there has always been racism and discrimination

The Jews have recognized the Right of Arabs to live in that Region. So what? Your " point" proves nothing

Then why can't the refugees return home just because they are not Jews?

Translation; The end of the JEWISH STATE is not happening.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

The LoN Covenant was not broken. The Allied Powers, having won the war, made the decisions.

Everyone understood then, and understands now, what the process was and is today.

Everyone understood then, as they can still see today, communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have not reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations was possible. They are self-proclaimed terrorists hiding under the guise as freedom fighters and resistance movements. And while they are occupied, they brought that on themselves. Had they adopted peaceful means of dispute resolution, they would have been much better-off and there would have never been an occupation. But they insisted on conflict --- and terrorism --- that in the end made them a national and international security requiring occupation.

Again, how many different ways can it be said, the Palestinian People have exercised their right to self-determination, and they path they have chosen is violence to further their political and religious agenda. They have decided who they are. They are violent and give definition to violence and terrorism.

Who are they?

Palestinians Freedom Fighters​

They are what they are. The Palestinian has defined themselves (the right of self-determination). And they are treated accordingly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Who sent you an Israeli propaganda manual?

This is right out of the book.