The Invention of the Land of Israel

[proudveteran06]

well it had no right to exist but that's another story..but it does and and yes that fact needs to be dealt with...and a peaceful solution found...which starts with dispelling the myth there is some exclusive god given right to the land

notice how the pro palestinian posters are paranoid? Who here is claiming that god gave them the land? Who initiated all the wars since 1948? The palestinians were offered almost everything they wanted and it was rejected israel is not;

going to go back to the 67 borders that were never recognized

give up rights to e. Jerusalem

allow " right of return"


get it now? Of course not

I fully support the jews right to return to europe..

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist .ALL the land belongs to the Arabs. Another bigoted, racist Pro Palestian bigmouth

 

[P F Tinmore]

You can thank your Nazi friends for providing an "historic precedence" for a Jewish state.

I don't have any Nazi friends.

When the PLO defined who was a Palestinian they did not exclude anyone.

They even specifically stated that the native Jews were citizens.

You mean they don't object to JEWS living in " Palestine?" lol Another Pro Palestinian Lie. Abbas has made it quite clear he will not tolerate ANY Israeli ( That means Jewish or Arab)

Indeed, he was speaking about nationality not religion.

You are the one who is confused. Jews who live in Palestine (in the part that is now called the West Bank) have been invited by Israel to move to Israel. The response is: No thanks. We are good here.

I cannot recall any incidents of violence or discrimination.

 

[P F Tinmore]

notice how the pro palestinian posters are paranoid? Who here is claiming that god gave them the land? Who initiated all the wars since 1948? The palestinians were offered almost everything they wanted and it was rejected israel is not;

going to go back to the 67 borders that were never recognized

give up rights to e. Jerusalem

allow " right of return"


get it now? Of course not

I fully support the jews right to return to europe..

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist .ALL the land belongs to the Arabs. Another bigoted, racist Pro Palestian bigmouth

That is not true. The Palestinians have always recognized the right of the native Jews to live in Palestine. That is their homeland.

 

[pbel]

You can thank your Nazi friends for providing an "historic precedence" for a Jewish state.

Yet Rule of Law and Due Process does make them Citizens. You do realize that both camps at the least, include descendants of Abraham, right?

That is true. Palestine has always been inhabited by many different people. There is no historic precedence for an exclusive Jewish state.

For once, you and I agree..But it wasn't just the Nazis, but the whole world, in History...I think the cure for Jewish acceptance by Islam is to accept Islam as a brother Religion and help create a Confederation of two aqutonomous states each sharing their Holy places, and enriching their neigbors with her "KNOW HOW....

Anything else in this sea of Islam is eventual suicide.

 

[proudveteran06]

I fully support the jews right to return to europe..

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist .ALL the land belongs to the Arabs. Another bigoted, racist Pro Palestian bigmouth

That is not true. The Palestinians have always recognized the right of the native Jews to live in Palestine. That is their homeland.

The above is not true. Going back to ancient History there has always been racism and discrimination

The Jews have recognized the Right of Arabs to live in that Region. So what? Your " point" proves nothing

 

[P F Tinmore]

Translation; Israel does not have the right to exist .ALL the land belongs to the Arabs. Another bigoted, racist Pro Palestian bigmouth

That is not true. The Palestinians have always recognized the right of the native Jews to live in Palestine. That is their homeland.

The above is not true. Going back to ancient History there has always been racism and discrimination

The Jews have recognized the Right of Arabs to live in that Region. So what? Your " point" proves nothing

Then why can't the refugees return home just because they are not Jews?

 

[irosie91]

That is not true. The Palestinians have always recognized the right of the native Jews to live in Palestine. That is their homeland.

The above is not true. Going back to ancient History there has always been racism and discrimination

The Jews have recognized the Right of Arabs to live in that Region. So what? Your " point" proves nothing

Then why can't the refugees return home just because they are not Jews?

because they are allied with those who have sworn to destroy Israel and slit
the throats of jewish babies. The USA did not allow the entry of enemies
of the USA -----just because of "marriage" or even a history of living in the
USA----Charlie Chaplin lived in the USA for 20 years and was eventually denied
re-entry-----simply because the FBI considered him dangerous. ----silly as that
idea was.

Jews lived in arabia for more than 1000 years and probably 2000 years
before the isa-loving-'prophet' was born-----and today----cannot even
set foot in arabia unless some rich arab needs a good doctor----or expert
in some project that requires specific expertise.

Just because they are not muslims

 

[P F Tinmore]

The above is not true. Going back to ancient History there has always been racism and discrimination

The Jews have recognized the Right of Arabs to live in that Region. So what? Your " point" proves nothing

Then why can't the refugees return home just because they are not Jews?

because they are allied with those who have sworn to destroy Israel and slit
the throats of jewish babies. The USA did not allow the entry of enemies
of the USA -----just because of "marriage" or even a history of living in the
USA----Charlie Chaplin lived in the USA for 20 years and was eventually denied
re-entry-----simply because the FBI considered him dangerous. ----silly as that
idea was.

Jews lived in arabia for more than 1000 years and probably 2000 years
before the isa-loving-'prophet' was born-----and today----cannot even
set foot in arabia unless some rich arab needs a good doctor----or expert
in some project that requires specific expertise.

Just because they are not muslims

slit the throats of jewish babies.

OH really? How often does that happen?

According to you it happens every day.

 

[toastman]

Then why can't the refugees return home just because they are not Jews?

because they are allied with those who have sworn to destroy Israel and slit
the throats of jewish babies. The USA did not allow the entry of enemies
of the USA -----just because of "marriage" or even a history of living in the
USA----Charlie Chaplin lived in the USA for 20 years and was eventually denied
re-entry-----simply because the FBI considered him dangerous. ----silly as that
idea was.

Jews lived in arabia for more than 1000 years and probably 2000 years
before the isa-loving-'prophet' was born-----and today----cannot even
set foot in arabia unless some rich arab needs a good doctor----or expert
in some project that requires specific expertise.

Just because they are not muslims

slit the throats of jewish babies.

OH really? How often does that happen?

According to you it happens every day.

Thanks to Israel taking every measure to protect herself from enemies, there are very few Israelis dying
I know that hurts you

 

[Roudy]

well it had no right to exist but that's another story..but it does and and yes that fact needs to be dealt with...and a peaceful solution found...which starts with dispelling the myth there is some exclusive god given right to the land

notice how the pro palestinian posters are paranoid? Who here is claiming that god gave them the land? Who initiated all the wars since 1948? The palestinians were offered almost everything they wanted and it was rejected israel is not;

going to go back to the 67 borders that were never recognized

give up rights to e. Jerusalem

allow " right of return"


get it now? Of course not

I fully support the jews right to return to europe..

Even lunatics have a right to their fantasies.

 

[Roudy]

Then why can't the refugees return home just because they are not Jews?

because they are allied with those who have sworn to destroy Israel and slit
the throats of jewish babies. The USA did not allow the entry of enemies
of the USA -----just because of "marriage" or even a history of living in the
USA----Charlie Chaplin lived in the USA for 20 years and was eventually denied
re-entry-----simply because the FBI considered him dangerous. ----silly as that
idea was.

Jews lived in arabia for more than 1000 years and probably 2000 years
before the isa-loving-'prophet' was born-----and today----cannot even
set foot in arabia unless some rich arab needs a good doctor----or expert
in some project that requires specific expertise.

Just because they are not muslims

slit the throats of jewish babies.

OH really? How often does that happen?

According to you it happens every day.

It doesn't happen often because Israelis do a good job of preventing them. Doesn't mean the intention isn't there. In fact if they could they would do it everyday.

 

[irosie91]

tinsy-----you have claimed that I, (irose) have asserted that
muslims slit the throats of jewish infants "everyday" You are
a gross liar -----in a very vile manner. However ---I have
encountered persons like you who trivialize atrocity---- pieces
of crap in my own hometown-----who trivialized the lynchings of
blacks in South USA------as "not happening everyday"
Unfortunately you are not unique among the people who dance
on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions of your victims.
People just like you----ONE DAY----grabbed two of my little
baby austrian cousins by the ankles and smashed their heads
against a brick wall------not every day----just ONE DAY---
two little girls with blond curly hair-----it did not even take
a WHOLE day-----just a few seconds

 

[P F Tinmore]

tinsy-----you have claimed that I, (irose) have asserted that
muslims slit the throats of jewish infants "everyday" You are
a gross liar -----in a very vile manner. However ---I have
encountered persons like you who trivialize atrocity---- pieces
of crap in my own hometown-----who trivialized the lynchings of
blacks in South USA------as "not happening everyday"
Unfortunately you are not unique among the people who dance
on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions of your victims.
People just like you----ONE DAY----grabbed two of my little
baby austrian cousins by the ankles and smashed their heads
against a brick wall------not every day----just ONE DAY---
two little girls with blond curly hair-----it did not even take
a WHOLE day-----just a few seconds

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129

Remember These Children

 

[ForeverYoung436]

tinsy-----you have claimed that I, (irose) have asserted that
muslims slit the throats of jewish infants "everyday" You are
a gross liar -----in a very vile manner. However ---I have
encountered persons like you who trivialize atrocity---- pieces
of crap in my own hometown-----who trivialized the lynchings of
blacks in South USA------as "not happening everyday"
Unfortunately you are not unique among the people who dance
on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions of your victims.
People just like you----ONE DAY----grabbed two of my little
baby austrian cousins by the ankles and smashed their heads
against a brick wall------not every day----just ONE DAY---
two little girls with blond curly hair-----it did not even take
a WHOLE day-----just a few seconds

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129

Remember These Children

Yes, those 129 Israeli children died in the most tragic ways, while eating pizza, shopping, celebrating a Passover Seder, etc.

 

[irosie91]

tinsy-----you have claimed that I, (irose) have asserted that
muslims slit the throats of jewish infants "everyday" You are
a gross liar -----in a very vile manner. However ---I have
encountered persons like you who trivialize atrocity---- pieces
of crap in my own hometown-----who trivialized the lynchings of
blacks in South USA------as "not happening everyday"
Unfortunately you are not unique among the people who dance
on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions of your victims.
People just like you----ONE DAY----grabbed two of my little
baby austrian cousins by the ankles and smashed their heads
against a brick wall------not every day----just ONE DAY---
two little girls with blond curly hair-----it did not even take
a WHOLE day-----just a few seconds

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129


I do not trvialize ANY deaths----nor to I analyze in an idiotic manner.
Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents. I once worked in a hospital----with a catchment area of less than
two square miles-----in the USA----which saw more than 100 murders
per year-------GSW to the head was part of my job. It is amazing how
long a person with a .22 lodged deep in the brain----continues
to have a HEART BEAT Another amazing factoid is---the number of bullets
in the heads of bystanders--(they were not considered
in the number "murdererd") I lived in the area for one year
-----never let my kid out alone-----and blocked his access to windows --
---IN THE USA. You made a good point-----"palestinians" and,
and muslims in general----should stop using those poison nail bombs
they so favor -----because there is always a RESPONSE In the
USA ----drug busts are DANGEROUS ----even to bystanders
the term is collateral damage---not "MURDER"

Hands on slitting of an infant's throat IS MURDER---as is death by
poison nail bomb. Return fire is never "murder" especially if the
return fire is in the trajectory of the incoming fire. If Israel
were to RETURN a missile----for every kassam that lands
in Israel-----the death toll of "palestinian" children would be
even higher than approximately 100 per year and ENTIRELY
LEGAL. The toll reflects Israel's restraint

Even if you are not a lawyer----it is important
to use words CORRECTLY

 

[P F Tinmore]

tinsy-----you have claimed that I, (irose) have asserted that
muslims slit the throats of jewish infants "everyday" You are
a gross liar -----in a very vile manner. However ---I have
encountered persons like you who trivialize atrocity---- pieces
of crap in my own hometown-----who trivialized the lynchings of
blacks in South USA------as "not happening everyday"
Unfortunately you are not unique among the people who dance
on the dead bodies of hundreds of millions of your victims.
People just like you----ONE DAY----grabbed two of my little
baby austrian cousins by the ankles and smashed their heads
against a brick wall------not every day----just ONE DAY---
two little girls with blond curly hair-----it did not even take
a WHOLE day-----just a few seconds

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129


I do not trvialize ANY deaths----nor to I analyze in an idiotic manner.
Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents. I once worked in a hospital----with a catchment area of less than
two square miles-----in the USA----which saw more than 100 murders
per year-------GSW to the head was part of my job. It is amazing how
long a person with a .22 lodged deep in the brain----continues
to have a HEART BEAT Another amazing factoid is---the number of bullets
in the heads of bystanders--(they were not considered
in the number "murdererd") I lived in the area for one year
-----never let my kid out alone-----and blocked his access to windows --
---IN THE USA. You made a good point-----"palestinians" and,
and muslims in general----should stop using those poison nail bombs
they so favor -----because there is always a RESPONSE In the
USA ----drug busts are DANGEROUS ----even to bystanders
the term is collateral damage---not "MURDER"

Hands on slitting of an infant's throat IS MURDER---as is death by
poison nail bomb. Return fire is never "murder" especially if the
return fire is in the trajectory of the incoming fire. If Israel
were to RETURN a missile----for every kassam that lands
in Israel-----the death toll of "palestinian" children would be
even higher than approximately 100 per year and ENTIRELY
LEGAL. The toll reflects Israel's restraint

Even if you are not a lawyer----it is important
to use words CORRECTLY

Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents.

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe and started a war with the Zionists?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129


I do not trvialize ANY deaths----nor to I analyze in an idiotic manner.
Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents. I once worked in a hospital----with a catchment area of less than
two square miles-----in the USA----which saw more than 100 murders
per year-------GSW to the head was part of my job. It is amazing how
long a person with a .22 lodged deep in the brain----continues
to have a HEART BEAT Another amazing factoid is---the number of bullets
in the heads of bystanders--(they were not considered
in the number "murdererd") I lived in the area for one year
-----never let my kid out alone-----and blocked his access to windows --
---IN THE USA. You made a good point-----"palestinians" and,
and muslims in general----should stop using those poison nail bombs
they so favor -----because there is always a RESPONSE In the
USA ----drug busts are DANGEROUS ----even to bystanders
the term is collateral damage---not "MURDER"

Hands on slitting of an infant's throat IS MURDER---as is death by
poison nail bomb. Return fire is never "murder" especially if the
return fire is in the trajectory of the incoming fire. If Israel
were to RETURN a missile----for every kassam that lands
in Israel-----the death toll of "palestinian" children would be
even higher than approximately 100 per year and ENTIRELY
LEGAL. The toll reflects Israel's restraint

Even if you are not a lawyer----it is important
to use words CORRECTLY

Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents.

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe and started a war with the Zionists?

Yes, they started the war after invading from Arabia. That's why they're called "Arabs".

 

[Keycube]

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe and started a war with the Zionists?

Just so I understand...

Since you feel that Israel has no legal basis for existing as a sovereign entity, any palestinian/arab deaths - even those overtly due to palestinian/arab aggression - will always be the fault of the Israelis. Burden of creation, and all that.

Does that sound about right?

I've watched you from afar for a long time, and although I think I get your M.O., I honestly still have a hard time believing anyone ascribing to it. It's so off the rails, I'm not sure there's even an informal fallacy to describe it.

 

[toastman]

Trivialize this!

Children killed since September 2000

Palestinian 1519
Israeli 129


I do not trvialize ANY deaths----nor to I analyze in an idiotic manner.
Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents. I once worked in a hospital----with a catchment area of less than
two square miles-----in the USA----which saw more than 100 murders
per year-------GSW to the head was part of my job. It is amazing how
long a person with a .22 lodged deep in the brain----continues
to have a HEART BEAT Another amazing factoid is---the number of bullets
in the heads of bystanders--(they were not considered
in the number "murdererd") I lived in the area for one year
-----never let my kid out alone-----and blocked his access to windows --
---IN THE USA. You made a good point-----"palestinians" and,
and muslims in general----should stop using those poison nail bombs
they so favor -----because there is always a RESPONSE In the
USA ----drug busts are DANGEROUS ----even to bystanders
the term is collateral damage---not "MURDER"

Hands on slitting of an infant's throat IS MURDER---as is death by
poison nail bomb. Return fire is never "murder" especially if the
return fire is in the trajectory of the incoming fire. If Israel
were to RETURN a missile----for every kassam that lands
in Israel-----the death toll of "palestinian" children would be
even higher than approximately 100 per year and ENTIRELY
LEGAL. The toll reflects Israel's restraint

Even if you are not a lawyer----it is important
to use words CORRECTLY

Yes-----in the past 12 years an average of a bit over 100
Palestinian children per year have died in an arena of war created by their
parents.

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe and started a war with the Zionists?

Who were the Palestinians to say wether or wether not Jews can come to the British Mandate of Palestine ? They did not have control over that territory . In fact NEVER in history have the so called 'Palestinians' had control over any of the territory. Except Gaza
The British recognized the Jewish People's historical right to have a homeland and they recognized their need to have a safe Haven. Im not saying the So called Palestinians couldn't express their opinion on the issue, but they had no right to tell the Jews not to come. And it was the Arabs who initated the war, but feel free to distort history as you please

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you saying that the Palestinians went to Europe and started a war with the Zionists?

Who were the Palestinians to say wether or wether not Jews can come to the British Mandate of Palestine ? They did not have control over that territory . In fact NEVER in history have the so called 'Palestinians' had control over any of the territory. Except Gaza
The British recognized the Jewish People's historical right to have a homeland and they recognized their need to have a safe Haven. Im not saying the So called Palestinians couldn't express their opinion on the issue, but they had no right to tell the Jews not to come. And it was the Arabs who initated the war, but feel free to distort history as you please

Britain violated the League of Nations charter. That does not negate the Palestinian's rights.