The False Dichotomy of Totalitarianism Coming From Both Right & Left

[johngaltshrugged]

Most people have been taught the totalitarians on the left are Communists while on the right there are Nazis & that both sides of the political spectrum lead to totalitarianism. They have been lied to.
This can only be true if you incorrectly see the divide as a circle. Following each side far enough leads to totalitarianism but, in reality, the divide is a straight line leading in opposite directions.
The political, economic & social philosophy of individual freedom from the right is the exact opposite of the collectivist totalitarianism philosophy from the left.
You have been taught a false dichotomy of the right-left spectrum claiming the right side is Nazi/Fascist when, in reality, these are just the flip sides of the Marxist/Socialist coin held in the left hand.
They are branches from the same tree.
As is usually the case, I suspect Marxist professors & other leaders in the Dem party had no problem with being associated with the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Castro but then drew a line to distance themselves from Hitler/Mussolini.
They started teaching that Nazis belong to the right side even though this contradicted the very words & philosophies of the fascists themselves.
How very Ministry of Truth of them.
Anyone falsely claiming the right is totalitarian is doing so in ignorance or simply lying to fool the sheeple & any perceived totalitarianism from the right is coming from a lefty infiltrator.
It's very easy to tell the difference- if something follows principles of individual liberty it comes from the right.
If it pushes any type of collectivist principles, it comes from the left.
Hitler was a leftist the same as Stalin & Mao.
Sorry if this destroys some long held lefty delusions but most of them will ignore this & stick with their well used cognitive dissonance to cope.
I know some of you will try to refute this but it doesn't work on anybody that actually knows history & has a lick of common sense.
All I can say is, go tell it to some other progbot that believes your propaganda because your denials won't work here.
All forms of totalitarianism, including Nazis/Fascists, come from your preferred philosophy.
Own it.

"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over." Adolph Hitler

Nazis: Still Socialists | National Review

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[Mac1958]

The ends of the political spectrum share many behaviors and proclivities.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

They are all totalitarian tyrants. They will push for more power as far as they can, until we threaten to rebel.

This is why we need machine guns.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I always get a kick out of all the idiots who call people a "fascist" for wanting people to have more control over their own life while supporting draconian lockdowns, forced injections of unproven substances and criminalization of speech, themselves.

They aren't even sentient individuals as far as I'm concerned -- just preprogrammed automatons doing their master's bidding.

 

[BlindBoo]

It's totalitarians (Hitler, Stalin, Mao....) on one side and liberal democracies of the people on the other.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

It's totalitarians (Hitler, Stalin, Mao....) on one side and liberal democracies of the people on the other.

You should join us over here in the liberal democracy section.

 

[Votto]

Most people have been taught the totalitarians on the left are Communists while on the right there are Nazis & that both sides of the political spectrum lead to totalitarianism. They have been lied to.
This can only be true if you incorrectly see the divide as a circle. Following each side far enough leads to totalitarianism but, in reality, the divide is a straight line leading in opposite directions.
The political, economic & social philosophy of individual freedom from the right is the exact opposite of the collectivist totalitarianism philosophy from the left.
You have been taught a false dichotomy of the right-left spectrum claiming the right side is Nazi/Fascist when, in reality, these are just the flip sides of the Marxist/Socialist coin held in the left hand.
They are branches from the same tree.
As is usually the case, I suspect Marxist professors & other leaders in the Dem party had no problem with being associated with the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Castro but then drew a line to distance themselves from Hitler/Mussolini.
They started teaching that Nazis belong to the right side even though this contradicted the very words & philosophies of the fascists themselves.
How very Ministry of Truth of them.
Anyone falsely claiming the right is totalitarian is doing so in ignorance or simply lying to fool the sheeple & any perceived totalitarianism from the right is coming from a lefty infiltrator.
It's very easy to tell the difference- if something follows principles of individual liberty it comes from the right.
If it pushes any type of collectivist principles, it comes from the left.
Hitler was a leftist the same as Stalin & Mao.
Sorry if this destroys some long held lefty delusions but most of them will ignore this & stick with their well used cognitive dissonance to cope.
I know some of you will try to refute this but it doesn't work on anybody that actually knows history & has a lick of common sense.
All I can say is, go tell it to some other progbot that believes your propaganda because your denials won't work here.
All forms of totalitarianism, including Nazis/Fascists, come from your preferred philosophy.
Own it.

"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over." Adolph Hitler

Nazis: Still Socialists | National Review

This feels like old times. Across the pond at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley and Daniel Hannan are having a friendly disagreement on the question of whether the Nazis were in fact socialists. I don’t u…

www.nationalreview.com

Adolf Hitler Quotes about socialism

Collection of sourced quotations by Adolf Hitler on socialism. Discover popular and famous socialism quotes by Adolf Hitler.

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The reason the National Socialists, or NAZI party, is said to be on the right is because of the nationalism. But then, it was their goal to take over the world, so..............

But at the end of the day, both the NAZI system and Communist system were top heavy collectivist utopias that are far more alike than not. Collectivism has a lot of flavors, NAZI, communist, socialist, Progressive, etc.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

This can only be true if you incorrectly see the divide as a circle.

Or a square. But thank you for showing that you're only capable of one dimensional thinking.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Or a square. But thank you for showing that you're only capable of one dimensional thinking.

And thanks for proving my point about cognitive dissonance.

 

[BackAgain]

The claim that the extreme right is the fascist side is false. Fascism is far more a creature of the left.

That aside, to the extent that someone’s political philosophy tends to see the government as a solution to most or all of societal problems, that side will accept more and deeper government imposition over our rights and liberties.

By contrast, if one has a political philosophy that government isn’t necessarily trustworthy and has to be watched over like a Hawk, then such personal is less likely to accept government imposition over our rights and liberties.

In that light, the roots of government oppression are more likely to be seen in the former.

 

[there4eyeM]

Another thread that succeeds in demonstrating that once useful terms no longer serve any purpose other than to emphasize facile duality.

 

[Roadrunner76]

Nazis WERE SOCIALISTS PERIOD ,,,,Hitler said that Bolshevism and Capitalism were opposite sides of the same coin. Capitalism was a Jxx scam is what he said.

EXTREME LEFT : (POLICE STATE, TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR, FASCISM, NAZI, COMMUNISM) You need to use FORCE to make people adhere to the un-natural edicts of Communism.

EXTREME RIGHT : ANARCHY,,,,,NO GOVERNMENT MOB RULE. Libertarianism is moderate Right

LEFT IS TOTAL CONTROL RIGHT IS NO CONTROL

You dont have a Dictator on the RIGHT because there is NO / LITTLE organized government.

Hitler was left wing and worked very closely with Stalin.

Why Are We Socialists?
by Joesph Goebbels ( Hitlers Propaganda Minsiter)

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of German freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the Fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism's nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

 

[Votto]

Nazis WERE SOCIALISTS PERIOD ,,,,Hitler said that Bolshevism and Capitalism were opposite sides of the same coin. Capitalism was a Jxx scam is what he said.

EXTREME LEFT : (POLICE STATE, TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR, FASCISM, NAZI, COMMUNISM) You need to use FORCE to make people adhere to the un-natural edicts of Communism.

EXTREME RIGHT : ANARCHY,,,,,NO GOVERNMENT MOB RULE. Libertarianism is moderate Right

LEFT IS TOTAL CONTROL RIGHT IS NO CONTROL

You dont have a Dictator on the RIGHT because there is NO / LITTLE organized government.

Hitler was left wing and worked very closely with Stalin.

Why Are We Socialists?
by Joesph Goebbels ( Hitlers Propaganda Minsiter)

We are socialists because we see in socialism, that is the union of all citizens, the only chance to maintain our racial inheritance and to regain our political freedom and renew our German state.

Socialism is the doctrine of liberation for the working class. It promotes the rise of the fourth class and its incorporation in the political organism of our Fatherland, and is inextricably bound to breaking the present slavery and the regaining of German freedom. Socialism therefore is not merely a matter of the oppressed class, but a matter for everyone, for freeing the German people from slavery is the goal of contemporary policy. Socialism gains its true form only through a total combat brotherhood with the forward-striving energies of a newly awakened nationalism. Without nationalism it is nothing, a phantom, a mere theory, a castle in the sky, a book. With it it is everything, the future, freedom, the Fatherland!

The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism's nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. The sin of Marxism was to degrade socialism into a question of wages and the stomach, putting it in conflict with the state and its national existence. An understanding of both these facts leads us to a new sense of socialism, which sees its nature as nationalistic, state-building, liberating and constructive.

Ok, just stop with the facts

Facts are just racist and they hurt my feelings

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Ok, just stop with the facts

Facts are just racist and they hurt my feelings

In our post-truth society, feelings count much more than actual facts, hence you have the idiocy of "my truth" or "their truth" so prevalent with the SJW collectivist deep thinkers.

The overly emotional lefties can't get past their feelings, so reason has been abandoned

 

[Skylar]

Most people have been taught the totalitarians on the left are Communists while on the right there are Nazis & that both sides of the political spectrum lead to totalitarianism. They have been lied to.
This can only be true if you incorrectly see the divide as a circle. Following each side far enough leads to totalitarianism but, in reality, the divide is a straight line leading in opposite directions.
The political, economic & social philosophy of individual freedom from the right is the exact opposite of the collectivist totalitarianism philosophy from the left.
You have been taught a false dichotomy of the right-left spectrum claiming the right side is Nazi/Fascist when, in reality, these are just the flip sides of the Marxist/Socialist coin held in the left hand.
They are branches from the same tree.
As is usually the case, I suspect Marxist professors & other leaders in the Dem party had no problem with being associated with the atrocities of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Castro but then drew a line to distance themselves from Hitler/Mussolini.
They started teaching that Nazis belong to the right side even though this contradicted the very words & philosophies of the fascists themselves.
How very Ministry of Truth of them.
Anyone falsely claiming the right is totalitarian is doing so in ignorance or simply lying to fool the sheeple & any perceived totalitarianism from the right is coming from a lefty infiltrator.
It's very easy to tell the difference- if something follows principles of individual liberty it comes from the right.
If it pushes any type of collectivist principles, it comes from the left.
Hitler was a leftist the same as Stalin & Mao.
Sorry if this destroys some long held lefty delusions but most of them will ignore this & stick with their well used cognitive dissonance to cope.
I know some of you will try to refute this but it doesn't work on anybody that actually knows history & has a lick of common sense.
All I can say is, go tell it to some other progbot that believes your propaganda because your denials won't work here.
All forms of totalitarianism, including Nazis/Fascists, come from your preferred philosophy.
Own it.

"National socialism is the determination to create a new man. There will no longer exist any individual arbitrary will, nor realms in which the individual belongs to himself. The time of happiness as a private matter is over." Adolph Hitler

Nazis: Still Socialists | National Review

This feels like old times. Across the pond at the Telegraph, Tim Stanley and Daniel Hannan are having a friendly disagreement on the question of whether the Nazis were in fact socialists. I don’t u…

www.nationalreview.com

Adolf Hitler Quotes about socialism

Collection of sourced quotations by Adolf Hitler on socialism. Discover popular and famous socialism quotes by Adolf Hitler.

libquotes.com

The problem with the 'totalitarian' argument from the left....is private citizens choosing not to associate or buy from conservatives. That's not 'totalitirianism'. That's freedom of association.

 

[Indeependent]

It's totalitarians (Hitler, Stalin, Mao....) on one side and liberal democracies of the people on the other.

Like Rome and it’s orgies?
That worked out real well.

 

[johngaltshrugged]

The problem with the 'totalitarian' argument from the left....is private citizens choosing not to associate or buy from conservatives. That's not 'totalitirianism'. That's freedom of association.

Well, that made absolutely no sense. Do you have a team of monkeys writing this for you?

Freedom of association cuts both ways, like when a Christian baker refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding.
Suing them to make the cake is the totalitarianism and that's the least of the tyranny constantly coming from the left.

Nice try proggy!

 

[Skylar]

Well, that made absolutely no sense. Do you have a team of monkeys writing this for you?

Freedom of association cuts both ways, like when a Christian baker refuses to make a cake for a gay wedding.
Suing them to make the cake is the totalitarianism and that's the least of the tyranny constantly coming from the left.

Nice try proggy!

Refusing to do associate with a conservative isn't 'authoritarianism'. Refusing to buy something from a conservative isn't 'totalitarianism'. Refusing to host hate speech on one's own private property isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.

Each is an expression of freedom. The freedom to associate. The freedom of speech.

 

[Indeependent]

Refusing to do associate with a conservative isn't 'authoritarianism'. Refusing to buy something from a conservative isn't 'totalitarianism'. Refusing to host hate speech on one's own private property isn't a violation of the 1st amendment.

Each is an expression of freedom. The freedom to associate. The freedom of speech.

You better call Liberal Bezos and tell him not to lay off 10K people and ruin Biden's great economy.

 

[Skylar]

You better call Liberal Bezos and tell him not to lay off 10K people and ruin Biden's great economy.

Bezos is no Elon Musk....who in two weeks laid off half the staff, obliterated his company's leadership, and drove revenue into the ground as advertisers fled from his platform.

Advertisers refusing to advertise on Twitter after Musk took over isn't totalitarianism either. Nor is a violation of the 1st amendment or freedom of speech.

Advertisers are free to spend their money as they wish. Just as Musk is free to blow 44 Billion on a business he doesn't understand, forced to prepare his remaining employees for bankruptcy after only weeks at the helm.