The Woke Right

[j-mac]

That's not really an argument. South Africa was there for hundreds of years before Apartheid finally fell.

If they want peace, they should go back to Europe.

The problem with the whole "Islam is crazy" is I'm old enough to remember when the Zionists had everyone convinced Arafat was a Godless Commie who loved Russia. Now we are scared of Islam, so they are all Islamic fanatics. When all they really are is people who want their land back.

It was never their land.

 

[j-mac]

Mac looks to Brit dimwits to explain things. That says a lot.

I like that he opens with lefties being against PC/ identity politics.

That’s a hoot! The left not only created identity politics, but have been pushing that shit for 50 years….Now, all of the sudden he wants to gaslight everyone and say the right is pushing it?

These people are seriously detached from reality….

 

[j-mac]

Dozens of Trumpster personal attacks. Perfect.

They sure don't like it when a conservative like Lindsay shoves a mirror in their face.

The only thing you do in here is continue to gaslight, and push false narrative that the right is doing what you do…it’s a childish, dumb approach…Designed to cast blame for the loss on anyone but yourself.

 

[DBA]

A couple of conservative Brits discuss the Woke Right with an American conservative. And just like many lefties are against the PC/Identity Politics crap that has caused so much damage to the party, he sees that "Wokeism" is counter-productive on the Right as well.

His definition of Woke Right includes:

• Since this comes from the Right, he calls it "Woke Neo-Fascism", which makes sense
• They behave exactly like the Woke Left...
  • Targeted influence campaigns
  • Create the illusion that there's massive distaste for this or that
  • Social Media manipulation
  • Highly invested in Reactionary Identity Politics, "answering evil with evil, which the Bible says not to do, by the way"
  • Grievance, everything is bad for straight white Christian men
  • We're the oppressed minority
  • Convinced the elites are trying to marginalize and de-legitimize them
  • Lots of lying, character attacks, lots of manipulative speech
  • Critical of America -- America bad, America bad, America bad

Sure sounds familiar.

Anyone with a problem with this can contact James Lindsay directly!

What is the Woke Right?

Let me get this straight. The woke left promotes a policy, for example, which explicitly and systematically excludes white males on the completely unsubstantiated basis of minorities and women being victims of systematic discrimination. White males complain because they are being directly harmed and they are somehow the ones playing the victim card, promoting identity politics and are racists and misogynists.

Brilliant I tell ya.

 

[JoeB131]

It was never their land.

They've lived there for 1500 years or more. They are probably the descendants of the original inhabitants, unlike the European Jewish converts.

I like that he opens with lefties being against PC/ identity politics.

That’s a hoot! The left not only created identity politics, but have been pushing that shit for 50 years….Now, all of the sudden he wants to gaslight everyone and say the right is pushing it?

These people are seriously detached from reality….

Actually, it's quite the opposite. The GOP opens with White Grievance while slowly destroying the things that made a White Middle Class possible to start with.

Here's the thing, if you are white, male, and straight, you have all the advantages in this society.

Let me get this straight. The woke left promotes a policy, for example, which explicitly and systematically excludes white males on the completely unsubstantiated basis of minorities and women being victims of systematic discrimination. White males complain because they are being directly harmed and they are somehow the ones playing the victim card, promoting identity politics and are racists and misogynists.

How are white males being harmed by equal opportunity? The ironic thing is, if it's less awesome to be a white male these days, it's because Republicans/Corporations have destroyed unions, shifted the burden of taxes away from the rich to the middle class, and engaged in business practices to drive down wages and eliminate blue collar jobs.

 

[DBA]

How are white males being harmed by equal opportunity?

Government sanctioned preferential treatment on the basis of race and gender is not equal opportunity. It is actually the very thing the Democrats accuse the right of…systematic racism and sexism.

 

[dblack]

Government sanctioned preferential treatment on the basis of race and gender is not equal opportunity. It is actually the very thing the Democrats accuse the right of…systematic racism and sexism.

Dems don't want equal rights. They want "equity", the opposite of equal rights.

 

[JoeB131]

Government sanctioned preferential treatment on the basis of race and gender is not equal opportunity. It is actually the very thing the Democrats accuse the right of…systematic racism and sexism.

Um, okay. Not that this is happening.

The government doesn't say, "You have to hire 22 blacks and 60 women!" It just says to be open-minded about hiring women and minorities.

Let's get a reality check here, guy. If you are a white male applying for a job, you have a gross advantage in that the person making the hiring decision is very likely also to be a white male. Even if he isn't an outright bigot, he's still going to be more amiable to you because you remind him of himself.

I can say of all the times I've gotten a job, the person making the decision to hire me has been white. Even the time I worked for the Japanese company. In only one case was it a female.

 

[dudmuck]

And you keep calling anything you don't like "woke". See if you can reverse the arrow of time.

 

[bendog]

I saw your rationale. It's bullshit. I vote for candidates, not fucking "parties". Not sides in the culture war.

I agree with the sports rationale. I wouldn't pay a dime to see either of these two play. And for the first time in ... ever ... neither party posed less of a clear and present danger to the republic. Still, hopefully, one of them will suck less in 26. lol

 

[dblack]

I agree with the sports rationale. I wouldn't pay a dime to see either of these two play. And for the first time in ... ever ... neither party posed less of a clear and present danger to the republic. Still, hopefully, one of them will suck less in 26. lol

Hopefully we'll find a way out from under this two-party albatross. It's long past due. Not sure there's time though.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Anyone with a problem with this can contact James Lindsay directly!

Who does one see if they approve? just outta curiosity as I doubt anyone will approve...typical white liberal trope after they get what they deserve.

 

[bendog]

Well

Hopefully we'll find a way out from under this two-party albatross. It's long past due. Not sure there's time though.

Well, I'd hazard a guess that in 1860 and Jim Crow it was worse. But we have the gop cheering on tariffs ... and that hasn't happened if over 100 years. The dems last tried that as Reagan handed them their asses. And, Trump proposes expanding soc sec to public workers who didn't pay in. Were these not the same folks who claimed the college kids shouldn't have loans forgiven because it was "not fair."? lol

And the progs act like inflation didn't affect them negatively, and the last pol to try that gambit was Nixon when he urged Burns at the fed to keep money flowing.

 

[dblack]

Well, I'd hazard a guess that in 1860 and Jim Crow it was worse. But we have the gop cheering on tariffs ... and that hasn't happened if over 100 years. The dems last tried that as Reagan handed them their asses. And, Trump proposes expanding soc sec to public workers who didn't pay in. Were these not the same folks who claimed the college kids shouldn't have loans forgiven because it was "not fair."? lol

Yep. The two parties don't really represent different ideologies anymore, at least not with regard to their usual disagreement: the Constitutional role of government. These days it's all about the culture war. Each is intent on using the state to "transform" America.

 

[martybegan]

A couple of conservative Brits discuss the Woke Right with an American conservative. And just like many lefties are against the PC/Identity Politics crap that has caused so much damage to the party, he sees that "Wokeism" is counter-productive on the Right as well.

His definition of Woke Right includes:

• Since this comes from the Right, he calls it "Woke Neo-Fascism", which makes sense
• They behave exactly like the Woke Left...
  • Targeted influence campaigns
  • Create the illusion that there's massive distaste for this or that
  • Social Media manipulation
  • Highly invested in Reactionary Identity Politics, "answering evil with evil, which the Bible says not to do, by the way"
  • Grievance, everything is bad for straight white Christian men
  • We're the oppressed minority
  • Convinced the elites are trying to marginalize and de-legitimize them
  • Lots of lying, character attacks, lots of manipulative speech
  • Critical of America -- America bad, America bad, America bad

Sure sounds familiar.

Anyone with a problem with this can contact James Lindsay directly!

What is the Woke Right?

What is with the left not being able to come up with their own terms for things?

It's like trying to bend the meaning of snowflake all over again.

 

[Delldude]

Hopefully we'll find a way out from under this two-party albatross. It's long past due. Not sure there's time though.

That's the reason for leaving the backdoor open for four years......one party rule.

 

[dblack]

That's the reason for leaving the backdoor open for four years......one party rule.

Both parties are fixated on the idea that they can "get rid" of the other side.

 

[Delldude]

Both parties are fixated on the idea that they can "get rid" of the other side.

Yeah but only one party is off the rails trying.

 

[dblack]

Yeah but only one party is off the rails trying.

LOL - of course.

 

[bendog]

Both parties are fixated on the idea that they can "get rid" of the other side.

I'm not sure the progs have any armed militia ready for an uprising, but they could ..... Still, I think both maga and prog camps are focused on denying that either the other have any legitimate interests or needs.