The “expert mathematician” who claims Trump won …

Nope. You are 40 or 41 and never served. When we went there it was for a specific mission to get Osama Bin Laden for the 9/11 attack on this country. It was a valid mission that had to be done, and the only mission sold to the citizens of this country when you were 20 or 21 years old.
Those of us older have seen mission creep in action before, and it usually only leads to higher profit for those selling the military weapons and services and more dead and injured soldiers on a mission changed from original intent.
In this case, we saw an addition war started in the region, mainly because the progress or lack there of on the Afghanistan mission was not, so we justified a mission to go after weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We didn't find them. If we had, it would have been front page news around the world, but it wasn't.
We then decided to completely topple the country, it's leadership, what was left of it's military, police and all civilian political organization and all existing military balances in the entire Middle East. Mission creep, again and nation building. Like I said mission creep is easy as all it takes is a lack of discipline of our civilian leadership, nation building, not so much. Some said the weapons of mass destruction may have gone to Syria, lets go there, too.
This rolling mission creep in the Middle East has been a rolling clusterfuck from the get go and the only ones making real progress were Haliburton and other defense contractors/suppliers, some startups, just because there was money to be made of the expanding endeaver as the American soldiers kept dying and being injured in this 20 year plus war, costing trillion$.
Through all of this, we kept the nation building going in Afghanistan and kept it palatable there with large amounts of money to and through that government, whose main source of income (biggest single domestic product and export) had been their opium exports of poison around the world. Twenty years later it is still their biggest export, last I heard.
Yes. We had to call a halt and get out. Disengaging and leaving a theater of battle (unless as victors) is always messy and expensive, with lots of opportunities to say we should have done this, or the plan should have accounted for that, but it had to be done and Biden was right to do it now in the first year of his presidency, no time like the present to do it and be done with it. We did it and only lost 13 more in a country where we had already lost 2,372 soldiers and 1,720 US contractor, many of which were former US soldiers, for a total of around 4,096 Americans and cost of $2.27 Trillion Dollar$.
So how many more did you want to sacrifice for the nation building. How many more Trillion$ did you want to spend to "help" them figure out who would control the Opium?
We needed to exit but how it was done was a shit show. You’re just a Biden apologist now. Pretty sad.
 
We needed to exit but how it was done was a shit show. You’re just a Biden apologist now. Pretty sad.
It was indeed, a shit show, but a short-lived shit show. Getting out of a mess like that is always going to be a shit-show. If done, it best it be done quickly. Score team Biden on the quickly and on accomplishing his mission to get out.
If you think this was a shit show, somebody is going to have to get us out of Iraq. If you think their army will be ready to stand up, you can forget it, and we have been training and equipping them also, which is only right as we destroyed them.
Helping both these country (if you can laughingly call it that, as we killed between 185,000 and 655,000 military and civilians) has been like putting people on welfare that they get used to, so never learn to do for themselves.
 
Well, he’s actually a swing set installer and convicted drug dealer with no college degree.

Can’t make it up can ya? :lol:

Why would you assume everyone good at math has a college degree?
Is the lawsuit brought on behalf of kids who were allegedly injured on the aforementioned swing sets?
I wouldn't know what this person may have been convicted of, but it doesn't seem relevant to the facts and circumstances of the election in general.
 
Biden won and the country won.
Yeah.

The border, energy independence, Afghanistan...

Creepy old senile Quid Pro is a real peach.

I am not at all embarrassed. I am still glad he won and glad we are out of that nation building, mission creep, bullsh#t that has gotten acquaintances killed or maimed for life on a mission we were never any closer to accomplishing after 20 years than the Soviets were, accomplishing theirs in that country when they pulled out, but it only took them 10 years to figure it out. Score one for Gorbachev for knowing they needed to get out when he did.

My advice to you is never fight a fight without a goal, and once the goal is established fight against anybody that allows for mission creep, especially a half-assed nation building mission, where the indigenous people are not of one mind and do not really want it.

Quid Pro voted for that nation building.

Donald Trump opposed it at the time.

Hey, but don't let facts interfere with your partisanship.
 
Nope. You are 40 or 41 and never served. When we went there it was for a specific mission to get Osama Bin Laden for the 9/11 attack on this country. It was a valid mission that had to be done, and the only mission sold to the citizens of this country when you were 20 or 21 years old.
Those of us older have seen mission creep in action before, and it usually only leads to higher profit for those selling the military weapons and services and more dead and injured soldiers on a mission changed from original intent.
In this case, we saw an addition war started in the region, mainly because the progress or lack there of on the Afghanistan mission was not, so we justified a mission to go after weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We didn't find them. If we had, it would have been front page news around the world, but it wasn't.
We then decided to completely topple the country, it's leadership, what was left of it's military, police and all civilian political organization and all existing military balances in the entire Middle East. Mission creep, again and nation building. Like I said mission creep is easy as all it takes is a lack of discipline of our civilian leadership, nation building, not so much. Some said the weapons of mass destruction may have gone to Syria, lets go there, too.
This rolling mission creep in the Middle East has been a rolling clusterfuck from the get go and the only ones making real progress were Haliburton and other defense contractors/suppliers, some startups, just because there was money to be made of the expanding endeaver as the American soldiers kept dying and being injured in this 20 year plus war, costing trillion$.
Through all of this, we kept the nation building going in Afghanistan and kept it palatable there with large amounts of money to and through that government, whose main source of income (biggest single domestic product and export) had been their opium exports of poison around the world. Twenty years later it is still their biggest export, last I heard.
Yes. We had to call a halt and get out. Disengaging and leaving a theater of battle (unless as victors) is always messy and expensive, with lots of opportunities to say we should have done this, or the plan should have accounted for that, but it had to be done and Biden was right to do it now in the first year of his presidency, no time like the present to do it and be done with it. We did it and only lost 13 more in a country where we had already lost 2,372 soldiers and 1,720 US contractor, many of which were former US soldiers, for a total of around 4,096 Americans and cost of $2.27 Trillion Dollar$.
So how many more did you want to sacrifice for the nation building. How many more Trillion$ did you want to spend to "help" them figure out who would control the Opium?

And Joe Biden voted for all of that.

Donald Trump opposed it the whole time.

Your cognitive dissonance is jaw dropping.
 
It was indeed, a shit show, but a short-lived shit show. Getting out of a mess like that is always going to be a shit-show. If done, it best it be done quickly. Score team Biden on the quickly and on accomplishing his mission to get out.
If you think this was a shit show, somebody is going to have to get us out of Iraq. If you think their army will be ready to stand up, you can forget it, and we have been training and equipping them also, which is only right as we destroyed them.
Helping both these country (if you can laughingly call it that, as we killed between 185,000 and 655,000 military and civilians) has been like putting people on welfare that they get used to, so never learn to do for themselves.

Not that level.

This is the biggest military fuckup in American History.

Custer would laugh at the incompetence of Asshole racist Austin and Milquetoast Miley.
 
Why would you assume everyone good at math has a college degree?
Is the lawsuit brought on behalf of kids who were allegedly injured on the aforementioned swing sets?
I wouldn't know what this person may have been convicted of, but it doesn't seem relevant to the facts and circumstances of the election in general.

Justin - The swing installer dude is an unqualified quack. It's like letting Dr Oz or Dr Phil diagnose me in a Zoom meeting, taking advice from MrPillow on viruses/ public health, or letting a 5 year old teach me how to drive.

You guys don't get it. The so called "experts" in the Arizona Fraudit are Q-Kook Klowns, NOT professionals. I mean c'mon - Believing that Javan Hutton Pulitzer (a fake name) has a proprietary invention that detects fake ballots? This is the guy who invented.the QueCat - Named by every tech magazine and tech writer "one of, (if not THE) worst gadget inventions of all time".


These people are charlatans and grifters. That you would take their word for ANYTHING says way too much about you. ;)


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Well, he’s actually a swing set installer and convicted drug dealer with no college degree.

Can’t make it up can ya? :lol:

One of the many frustations I feel these days is the utter failure of news organizations to do even the most basic due diligence of their "facts" and "experts".

It really pisses me off. The media is one of our last lines of defense of our freedoms.
 
And Joe Biden voted for all of that.

Donald Trump opposed it the whole time.

Your cognitive dissonance is jaw dropping.
Trump only talked about opposing it. He did not get us out of a single one of these conflicts. Talk is cheap. That is the problem with you guys. You believe what he talks the talk, but still does not walk the walk. You believe your ears, rather than your lying eyes? Ya'll are unbelievably dull.
 
Trump only talked about opposing it. He did not get us out of a single one of these conflicts. Talk is cheap. That is the problem with you guys. You believe what he talks the talk, but still does not walk the walk. You believe your ears, rather than your lying eyes? Ya'll are unbelievably dull.

Lie much?

Trump drew us down to 2500 troops AND kept the peace with no Americans killed for 18 months.

Fuckwad Quid Pro got hundreds killed (probably thousands) including 13 Americans, and now has 8,000 troops in Afghanistan. You just don't get more incompetent than the Xi's man and his Squad. But Milquetoast is sure to find whites under his bed.... The racist fuck has priorities and can't be bothered with protecting American assets and interests.
 

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