The "Art of the Deal".... Ukraine... when they give Putin everything he wants before they've even started

[Seymour Flops]

Childish insults are generally all you have.

it’s not like you even bother to make an intelligent, fact based argument>

But, when you can’t defend betrayal and cowardice, but want to cheer for it none the less, you need a deflection.

Alright, I'll give you one more chance. Answer with logic and not a TDS rant. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Calling the man who jumped up and gave a fist salute and said "keep fighting," after a sniper shot him in the ear, missing his brain only by the purest of luck, is absurd.

If Putin comes out of whatever deal is made with only the territories he already occupies, he gains nothing. If Dictator Zelensky gets to keep the rest of Ukraine, he gains nothing, but he avoid losing everything.

Neither Europe nor the U.S. has any interest in fighting Russia on behalf of the current regime in Ukraine.

Nobody should be interested in pumping money and weapons into that conflict except for the arms industry, and whoever is getting kickbacks in the form of campaign contributions from arms industry funded PACs.

If Trump can find a way to stop the killing, without Ukraine surrendering completely, he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize (again).

 

[Dragonlady]

Alright, I'll give you one more chance. Answer with logic and not a TDS rant. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Calling the man who jumped up and gave a fist salute and said "keep fighting," after a sniper shot him in the ear, missing his brain only by the purest of luck, is absurd.

If Putin comes out of whatever deal is made with only the territories he already occupies, he gains nothing. If Dictator Zelensky gets to keep the rest of Ukraine, he gains nothing, but he avoid losing everything.

Neither Europe nor the U.S. has any interest in fighting Russia on behalf of the current regime in Ukraine.

Nobody should be interested in pumping money and weapons into that conflict except for the arms industry, and whoever is getting kickbacks in the form of campaign contributions from arms industry funded PACs.

If Trump can find a way to stop the killing, without Ukraine surrendering completely, he deserves a Nobel Peace Prize (again).

Europe has already said they will carry on the fight without you because they don’t want Putin coming into Western Europe, which he has already signalled that he intends to do.

Yes, Europe is keenly interested in fighting Russia on behalf of Ukraine.

Funny how the Secret Service accounted for all of the bullets and none of them hit Trump.

I also can’t help but notice that it was his most devoted followers that are taking shots of at him, which tells you a lot.

But like the rest of your post, it’s just bullshit from top to bottom as usual.

Trump is the worst kind of coward and fool and his followers are even dumber than he is.

Also, Trump wasn’t shot. Investigators found all of the bullets and where they went, and none of them hit Trump. He was hit with a piece of flying debris

If he had been shot, his whole ear would’ve been torn off. He was hit with a piece of flying debris.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Europe has already said they will carry on the fight without you because they don’t want Putin coming into Western Europe, which he has already signalled that he intends to do.

What is Canada doing?

Yes, Europe is keenly interested in fighting Russia on behalf of Ukraine.

Fine with me.

Funny how the Secret Service accounted for all of the bullets and none of them hit Trump.

One clipped his ear. If you're denying that, I lose all interest in discussing that with you.

I also can’t help but notice that it was his most devoted followers that are taking shots of at him, which tells you a lot.

Fake news.

But like the rest of your post, it’s just bullshit from top to bottom as usual.

Trump is the worst kind of coward and fool and his followers are even dumber than he is.

No more TDS rants.

Ain't nobody got time for that. Grow up and you can debate with grownups.

 

[Contumacious]

Europe has already said they will carry on the fight without you because they don’t want Putin coming into Western Europe, which he has already signalled that he intends to do.

SHUT THE FUCK UP - HE HASN'T SIGNALED ANYTHING .


Only someone who resides in a nursing home - whose family has abandoned her , would want a nuclear WW3 just so that she can satisfy the CIA's "need" to conduct a color revolution i!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Zavulon]

Europe has already said they will carry on the fight without you because they don’t want Putin coming into Western Europe, which he has already signalled that he intends to do.

Europe simply can't win a war against nuclear superpower on its ground and "decolonise" it.
So, either you follow American orders (including the order to polish Trump's and Putin's shoes with your tongues), either you're on your own.

 

[Seymour Flops]

At about 25:00 Kristin finally reports the news: U.S. officials say the plan is for Team Trump to talk to Putin, then later talk to Zelensky, with an eye toward bringing them together for a real talk.

Of course, this isn't good enough for the little dictator, but too bad . . .

 

[Nostra]

You signed an agreement. When you were in trouble, NATO honoured it and came to YOUR defense. Time for you to do the same.

Canada was in Afghanistan for more than 10 years. The British were still there when you pulled out.

If you’re no longer prepared to honour your agreements, don’t expect people to sign them with you.

We should cut off Kanada.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Bad for them, but I failed to see why America should care about it, or get involved and make the things much worse.

Yeah, let's all be selfish, let's all be divided, so Putin can take over everything he wants.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Trump administration’s mixed messaging on foreign policy leaves world guessing

Different narratives from senior US officials on the future of Ukraine have sewn confusion in Europe?

www.bbc.com

"

Discordant Ukraine statements from Trump team leave allies anxious"​

"
But despite the mid-air scare the news was already firmly elsewhere. In Europe, US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth had stunned America's allies with a speech setting out what many saw as a series of concessions Ukraine would have to make to sign any peace deal with Russia brokered by President Trump.

Hegseth said it was "unrealistic" to think Ukraine could win back its sovereign territory occupied by Russia, as was its demand for Nato membership, adding it was up to European and not US troops to keep the peace."

Yep, they've come out and said "you know, the Ukraine is fucked" and this before they've started negotiating. It's like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact where Poland was represented by nobody, and the big two countries had already decided what they wanted to do with Poland in the first place.

How can you make a deal, when you've already told one side of the deal "we'll give you all you want"????

This isn't the "Art of the Deal", this is the "Art of the Steal".

This OP is based on a flawed premise. Neither Trump, nor the United States is acting as an agent for Ukraine, trying to get them the best deal possible. The most humanitarian approach is to try to get a workable deal that can be agreed to by both of the over-sized egos involved in the conflict.

 

[luiza]

Neither Europe nor the U.S. has any interest in fighting Russia on behalf of the current regime in Ukraine.

You miss the key points again .

The US has every reason to hold on to Ukraine .
It took over Kyiv in 2014 and Deep State wants to hold on to it -- that is the US Shadow government .

Plus possibly trillions from Rare Earth metals and Black Sea Oil .
And never forget the extras from People Trafficking , Organ Harvesting , Adrenochrome and all those 36 Bio Labs built and paid for by the US .

 

[Zincwarrior]

Trump administration’s mixed messaging on foreign policy leaves world guessing

Different narratives from senior US officials on the future of Ukraine have sewn confusion in Europe?

www.bbc.com

"

Discordant Ukraine statements from Trump team leave allies anxious"​

"
But despite the mid-air scare the news was already firmly elsewhere. In Europe, US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth had stunned America's allies with a speech setting out what many saw as a series of concessions Ukraine would have to make to sign any peace deal with Russia brokered by President Trump.

Hegseth said it was "unrealistic" to think Ukraine could win back its sovereign territory occupied by Russia, as was its demand for Nato membership, adding it was up to European and not US troops to keep the peace."

Yep, they've come out and said "you know, the Ukraine is fucked" and this before they've started negotiating. It's like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact where Poland was represented by nobody, and the big two countries had already decided what they wanted to do with Poland in the first place.

How can you make a deal, when you've already told one side of the deal "we'll give you all you want"????

This isn't the "Art of the Deal", this is the "Art of the Steal".

Trump is a Putin ally.

 

[Nostra]

Europe has already said they will carry on the fight without you because they don’t want Putin coming into Western Europe, which he has already signalled that he intends to do.

Yes, Europe is keenly interested in fighting Russia on behalf of Ukraine.

Funny how the Secret Service accounted for all of the bullets and none of them hit Trump.

I also can’t help but notice that it was his most devoted followers that are taking shots of at him, which tells you a lot.

But like the rest of your post, it’s just bullshit from top to bottom as usual.

Trump is the worst kind of coward and fool and his followers are even dumber than he is.

Also, Trump wasn’t shot. Investigators found all of the bullets and where they went, and none of them hit Trump. He was hit with a piece of flying debris

If he had been shot, his whole ear would’ve been torn off. He was hit with a piece of flying debris.

Link to this Secret Service report?

 

[Seymour Flops]

You miss the key points again .

The US has every reason to hold on to Ukraine .
It took over Kyiv in 2014 and Deep State wants to hold on to it -- that is the US Shadow government .

Trump is getting rid of that.

Plus possibly trillions from Rare Earth metals and Black Sea Oil .
And never forget the extras from People Trafficking , Organ Harvesting , Adrenochrome and all those 36 Bio Labs built and paid for by the US .

Trump is working on a deal to get those.

 

[beagle9]

This is terrible. It reminds me of how Joe Biden gave China everything they wanted!

• Putin gets some of what he wanted, some of Ukraine, and no NATO next door.
• Zelensky gets some of what he wanted, to keep most of Ukraine, and peace with Russia.
• And Trump and America gets some of what it wanted, no more 200 billion dollar donations, and rights to some of Ukraine's minerals and resources.

Another win for Trump.

If all goes well in that way, then it sure sounds like a great deal to me. It's time to get this thing stopped, and time to return to peace in that region, and it's time to do so fast in order to stop the suffering and death, and to start the rebuilding and move away from war in this modern century.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Putin tried for 8 years - the CIA agent in charge of Ukraine Victoria Nuland , told Obama that she was certain that Russia would not invade.

Putin undermined the Ukraine for 20 years. He didn't try and get it back by civilized means.

 

[beagle9]

Trump is getting rid of that.

Trump is working on a deal to get those.

Not sure if a deal to get Ukraines rare earth's is actually going to go down so well with Russia and/or with Ukraine, and especially without us promising huge money for Ukraine to then rebuild it's cities and towns that were destroyed. Can we actually afford Gaza and Ukraine, otherwise to be a leader in the help on rebuilding those places ?

I think with Gaza and Israel the spoils should go to the winner, and Israel is definitely the winner. It should be up to Israel to determine GAZA's fate and future. Israel earned it with their blood and treasure spent. We should only offer our assistance in the situation if needed.

Do we truly need to interject ourselves in such a way in Ukraine, otherwise in a region of the world so far far away(?), and to do so in a war settlement type of way without all parties agreeing totally to such a thing together ? If everyone in the war settlement agrees, then yes it's a great deal being made.

 

[Zavulon]

Yeah, let's all be selfish, let's all be divided, so Putin can take over everything he wants.

So, should America allow Europeans be selfish and divide NATO by ignoring America's orders and spoiling America's peacemaking efforts? Or America should teach them a little lesson and put them back in line?

NATO equals America plus some countries under American defence. And who are those countries? "Faithful allies" or "strategic parasites"? If they are "faithful allied" - why they don't invest enough in their own defence? Why they had deals with Russia when they were said not to do it? Why they try to spoil American efforts? And, the most important question - what can America do to change this unsatisfactory situation?

 

[Contumacious]

Putin undermined the Ukraine for 20 years. He didn't try and get it back by civilized means.

HUH?

 

[Missourian]

Trump administration’s mixed messaging on foreign policy leaves world guessing

Different narratives from senior US officials on the future of Ukraine have sewn confusion in Europe?

www.bbc.com

"

Discordant Ukraine statements from Trump team leave allies anxious"​

"
But despite the mid-air scare the news was already firmly elsewhere. In Europe, US Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth had stunned America's allies with a speech setting out what many saw as a series of concessions Ukraine would have to make to sign any peace deal with Russia brokered by President Trump.

Hegseth said it was "unrealistic" to think Ukraine could win back its sovereign territory occupied by Russia, as was its demand for Nato membership, adding it was up to European and not US troops to keep the peace."

Yep, they've come out and said "you know, the Ukraine is fucked" and this before they've started negotiating. It's like the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact where Poland was represented by nobody, and the big two countries had already decided what they wanted to do with Poland in the first place.

How can you make a deal, when you've already told one side of the deal "we'll give you all you want"????

This isn't the "Art of the Deal", this is the "Art of the Steal".

When are you heading to Ukraine to join the resistance?

 

[Missourian]

And what if those European countries decided to challenge American leadership in the West, spoil American peace plan and start an actual (nuclear) war with Russia?

Should the USA occupy the UK?

Let's play the game. Just a pure intellectual exercise, nothing real about it. Let's imagine, that Russia and the USA has achieved mutually acceptable solution over situation in Europe. But this solution isn't really acceptable for Kievan regime and ruling regime of the UK. American president...

www.usmessageboard.com

Good luck.

We'll do our best to identify any of your bodies that aren't vaporized.