Putin wants "RESPECT"???

Russia hasn't tried to take any of them back because (1) the inhabitants would fight and (2) NATO would engage the Russians... it sure-as-hell wasn't out of the generosity and goodwill of the Russian people and government.


Bull$hit.

The "region" would be far MORE stable under NATO than it was then or is now.

Your old 19th century sphere-of-influence is as dead as Tsar Nicholas II and his family.

Nobody was planning on threatening the existence of Russia.

Merely to better ensure that you barbarians would not once again seek Buffers and Lebensraum in Eastern Europe.

You have a $hitty track record as liars and aggressors and invaders... you even partnered with the Nazis against Poland.

Nobody trusts you.

THAT is why NATO pushed closer to your borders... because none of your former slave-vassal-states trust you.

Neither does any sane person over the age of 10 in The West.


An existential threat to Russia would be for NATO to cross the borders of Russia itself in great force.

No such thing is envisioned nor even wished-for.

Just chill-the-phukk-out and try self-governance and peace for the first time in your $hitty history.

Bwahahahahahaha, it was the Russians who freed those countries when they dissolved the Warsaw Pact in the first place in the early 1990's

Stalin invaded those countries to use as a buffer against the Germans in the late 1930's but never let them go as he should have in 1945, that was his dumb error as those fleabag countries have nothing to offer to justify keeping them.


It is clear you have not followed the process from the 1990's onward that destabilized the region from NATO breaking their promise not to expand, to stay in a defensive posture only as their charter states while they help Ukraine fortify areas after 2014 and to show intention of building a NATO base just inside the Ukrainian border thus put Russia into survival situation as there is no longer any time left to defend their airspace thus forced them to invade to remove that existenstional threat.

You are so freaking ignorant of what has transpired that caused a violent take over a President who was trying to prevent a civil war from starting in the Donbass area which started after the overthrow when Ukraine ablished the Russian speaking majority to stop speaking Russian and when that was resisted started to shell the civilians which generated a separatist group to fight back then Russia began sending food, arms and intelligence to support the strong Russian majority in the Donbass area.

It was Ukraine who started the war when they began shelling the dominant Russian majority in the Donbass area.
 
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Russia hasn't tried to take any of them back because (1) the inhabitants would fight and (2) NATO would engage the Russians... it sure-as-hell wasn't out of the generosity and goodwill of the Russian people and government.


Bull$hit.

The "region" would be far MORE stable under NATO than it was then or is now.

Your old 19th century sphere-of-influence is as dead as Tsar Nicholas II and his family whom you bastards so cruelly killed.

Nobody was planning on threatening the existence of Russia.

Merely to better ensure that you barbarians would not once again seek Buffers and Lebensraum in Eastern Europe.

You have a $hitty track record as liars and aggressors and invaders... you even partnered with the Nazis against Poland.

Nobody trusts you.

THAT is why NATO pushed closer to your borders... because none of your former slave-vassal-states trust you.

Neither does any sane person over the age of 10 in The West.


An existential threat to Russia would be for NATO to cross the borders of Russia itself in great force.

No such thing is envisioned nor even wished-for.

Just chill-the-phukk-out and try self-governance and peace for the first time in your $hitty history.

Now... go crawl back to your mother's basement in St. Petersburg, Russian troll.
Don't overestimate your degenerate NATO's might. It exists in your imagination nurtured by your stupid Hollywood fairytales. But yes, there was that Grenada escapade where you conquered that mighty island power, forgot my microscope to pinpoint it on the map today though, sorry.
 
Putin said yesterday that he's willing to end his war in Ukraine (aka "special military operation" in authoritarian Russia, or else!) if Russia (meaning Putin) gets "respect" from western countries. Did Hitler get respect?

Putin maintains that it's NATO's fault for expanding east toward Russia, and THAT is why he invaded a peaceful country -- Ukraine, since Ukraine wants NATO security (and EU prosperity). In reality, NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization and Putin is jealous that Ukrainians ALSO want to break away from his AUTHORITARIANISM.

Putin can stop HIS war anytime. No more excuses.
He started it for BS reasons (Hitler-like expansion), and he should end it ASAP. If not, then NATO, including USA, should maximize their sanctions and assist Ukraine with long-range weapons to destroy Russia's military assets and oil/gas economy. What is Trump waiting for? Putin will not stop until he has to.

The "respect" he wants is to let him have control over the decisions of other, sovereign nations.

Typical Russian self aggrandization and aggression, steeped in 19th century mythology.
 
My my, the vast ignorance of history of the region is why you and others in the thread never will understand why Russia finally invaded after repeated objections and long running NATO violations of their promise not to expand NATO membership that was surrounding Russia taking away their security buffer, Ukraine was the main key by keeping them neutral to keep the security of the region in balance.
So who decides Ukraine's future? Putin or Ukrainians?
NATO is an alliance to keep Russia from taking smaller countries like it did before behind the "Iron Curtain".
Belarus seems happy in Putin's club. Ukraine was not happy, and wanted to join NATO.

The "Peace Deal" seems intent on keeping Ukraine "neutral" meaning not a member of NATO, but they want to be part of the EU, and NOT part of Russia.
As part of the peace deal, I'm curious how the "security guarantee" will be enforced. Ukraine will not accept another hollow "Budapest Memorandum" where everyone promises and no one keeps their promises.
 
You missed his point badly, why are Americans continuing to imbibe dangerous addictive drugs in the first place and repeats those mistakes generation after generation. If Americans would never start taking drugs in the first place there would be no drive and crime to support a addictive habit.
Remove the customer base the money flow would dry up.
Easier said than done. Criminals are there to push the drugs to the low IQ folks.
Then there are the rich folks who like cocaine.
Trump should push education and detox to lower the death toll.

I'm hoping Trump can save over 200,000 US lives compared to Biden's term.
 
So who decides Ukraine's future? Putin or Ukrainians?
NATO is an alliance to keep Russia from taking smaller countries like it did before behind the "Iron Curtain".
Belarus seems happy in Putin's club. Ukraine was not happy, and wanted to join NATO.

The "Peace Deal" seems intent on keeping Ukraine "neutral" meaning not a member of NATO, but they want to be part of the EU, and NOT part of Russia.
As part of the peace deal, I'm curious how the "security guarantee" will be enforced. Ukraine will not accept another hollow "Budapest Memorandum" where everyone promises and no one keeps their promises.
There won't be no peace deal, Putin will decide what future awaits Ukieland. That's where you're right.
 
It is well known that NATO isn't behaving like a defensive organization anymore not with the stupid unwarranted agressive expansion of membership that creates a surrounding of Russia, taking away the security buffer that was in place as designed in the 1990's.

NATO renenged on their promise of no more expansion after Germany reunification and they have been involved in funneling $$$ and arms into Ukraine for a while now, how did you miss this?
Please cite the treaty where this "promise" was formalized. I think you are inflating this so-called agreement.

Spelling errors.
 
Bwahahahahahaha, it was the Russians who freed those countries when they dissolved the Warsaw Pact in the first place in the early 1990's
Freed them? Russia had no choice. The US had spent the Soviet Union into the ground and you had to pull-in your horns.

On the conventional level... if we (The West) were going to attack you, we would have done it in the early-to-mid 1990s.

We did not.

That should have been your first clue that you had very little to fear from The West so long as you did not revert to imperialism.

Besides... back then...

You could no longer afford to keep such a force in Eastern Europe and the Peoples of Eastern Europe were nudging you out.

You didn't leave because you wanted to... you left because you HAD to... you could no longer sustain your dying Empire.

And your ill-advised Imperialism in Ukraine has caused many neutrals of the region to join NATO after decades of neutrality.

Not exactly the outcome your bare-chested macho-man Master had in mind before wasting so many Russian lives, was it?

Stalin invaded those countries to use as a buffer against the Germans in the late 1930's but never let them go as he should have in 1945, that was his dumb error as those fleabag countries have nothing to offer to justify keeping them.
And you dumb peasants kowtowed to Uncle Joe and allowed him to do it.

You lack the intellectual vigor and political courage to set up an actual democracy and rule yourselves.

It is clear you have not followed the process from the 1990's onward that destabilized the region from NATO breaking their promise not to expand, to stay in a defensive posture only as their charter states while they help Ukraine fortify areas after 2014 and to show intention of building a NATO base just inside the Ukrainian border thus put Russia into survival situation as there is no longer any time left to defend their airspace thus forced them to invade to remove that existenstional threat.
None of that was "destabilizing"... rather, it served to reassure the peaceful people of those countries that their barbarian Russian masters would not be able to return once they had recovered from the collapse of the Soviet Union....

Given Berlin in 1949 (and 1961) and Budapest in 1956 and Prague in 1968 nobody blames them for feeling that way.

Insofar as "buffer space" is concerned, those lands are not yours to USE as a "buffer space"... get it?

And the peoples of those lands don't want you there.

This is all just a bull$hit excuse to seize and hold-onto Crimea and create more contiguous land between Russia and Crimea.

Besides... in this day-and-age of hypersonic missiles, the extra land mass doesn't really buy you any appreciable warning time.

You are so freaking ignorant of what has transpired that caused a violent take over a President who was trying to prevent a civil war from starting in the Donbass area which started after the overthrow when Ukraine ablished the Russian speaking majority to stop speaking Russian and when that was resisted started to shell the civilians which generated a separatist group to fight back then Russia began sending food, arms and intelligence to support the strong Russian majority in the Donbass area.
What a load of hor$e$hit... your so-called "Russian population" in those areas are the result of the Soviet Union committing genocide in Ukraine and deporting Cossacks and other Ukrainians by the hundreds-of-thousands and then displacing those populations with Russian-speakers forced to migrate to such regions in order to conjure-up an excuse to hold onto it.

If you had not committed genocide against the Ukrainian people and then displaced them with forcibly-migrated Russian-speakers then their descendants would not be occupying sacred Ukrainian land and there would be no disagreement.

It was Ukraine who started the war when they began shelling the dominant Russian majority in the Donbass area.
Get your a$$e$ out of Ukraine and there will be no problem.

You people used the "Protectors of the Slavs" bull$hit excuse to mobilize prior to WW1.

You-and-yours are too stupid to learn from history.

Which is why The West continues to oppose you.

Stop it... begin to rule yourselves... learn to become a good neighbor... remain strong but be at-peace... and all will be well.

Until then, you will continue to bleed your unwilling young generation and have to beg for mercenaries and equipment.

Totally unnecessary.

You idiots actually believe the bull$hit that you're being fed by that POS sitting at the top of your food chain.

Damned fools.
 
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My my, the vast ignorance of history of the region is why you and others in the thread never will understand why Russia finally invaded after repeated objections and long running NATO violations of their promise not to expand NATO membership that was surrounding Russia taking away their security buffer, Ukraine was the main key by keeping them neutral to keep the security of the region in balance.
You neglect the fact that no one voted on Ukraine being admitted to NATO. Their proposed membership was to prevent what actually happened.
 
You missed his point badly, why are Americans continuing to imbibe dangerous addictive drugs in the first place and repeate those mistake generation after generation.

If Americans would never start taking drugs in the first place there would be no drive and crime to support a addictive habit.

Remove the customer base the money flow would dry up.
Just how do you propose to do this? My daughter is a paramedic who treated a patient the other day that had OD'd 6 times in the last two weeks. Should we just no longer try to save her and let her die? That is apparently the only way she will stop!
 
Freed them? Russia had no choice. The US had spent the Soviet Union into the ground and you had to pull-in your horns.

You could no longer afford to keep such a force in Eastern Europe and the Peoples of Eastern Europe were nudging you out.


And you dumb peasants kowtowed to Uncle Joe and allowed him to do it.

You lack the intellectual vigor and political courage to set up an actual democracy and rule yourselves for once.


None of that was "destabilizing"... rather, it served to reassure the peaceful people of those countries that their barbarian Russian masters would not be able to return once they had recovered from the collapse of the Soviet Union....

Given Berlin in 1949 (and 1961) and Budapest in 1956 and Prague in 1968 nobody blames them for feeling that way.

Insofar as "buffer space" is concerned, those lands are not yours to USE as a "buffer space"... get it?

And the peoples of those lands don't want you there.

This is all just a bull$hit excuse to seize and hold-onto Crimea and create more contiguous land between Russia and Crimea.

Besides... in this day-and-age of hypersonic missiles, the extra land mass doesn't really buy you any appreciable warning time.


What a load of hor$e$hit... your so-called "Russian population" in those areas are the result of the Soviet Union committing genocide in Ukraine and deporting Cossacks and other Ukrainians by the hundreds-of-thousands and then displacing those populations with Russian-speakers forced to migrate to such regions in order to conjure-up an excuse to hold onto it.

If you had not committed genocide against the Ukrainian people and then displaced them with forcibly-migrated Russian-speakers then their descendants would not be occupying sacred Ukrainian land and there would be no disagreement.


Get your a$$e$ out of Ukraine and there will be no problem.

You people used the "Protectors of the Slavs" bull$hit excuse to mobilize prior to WW1.

You-and-yours are too stupid to learn from history.

Which is why The West continues to oppose you.

Stop it... begin to rule yourselves... learn to become a good neighbor... remain strong but be at-peace... and all will be well.

Until then, you will continue to bleed your unwilling young generation, and have to beg for mercenaries and equipment.

Totally unnecessary.

You idiots actually believe the bull$hit that you're being fed by that POS sitting at the top of your food chain.

Damned fools.
Gotta admit ... that's one of the more thought-provoking posts I've read here.
 
Bwahahahahahaha, it was the Russians who freed those countries when they dissolved the Warsaw Pact in the first place in the early 1990's

Stalin invaded those countries to use as a buffer against the Germans in the late 1930's but never let them go as he should have in 1945, that was his dumb error as those fleabag countries have nothing to offer to justify keeping them.


It is clear you have not followed the process from the 1990's onward that destabilized the region from NATO breaking their promise not to expand, to stay in a defensive posture only as their charter states while they help Ukraine fortify areas after 2014 and to show intention of building a NATO base just inside the Ukrainian border thus put Russia into survival situation as there is no longer any time left to defend their airspace thus forced them to invade to remove that existenstional threat.

You are so freaking ignorant of what has transpired that caused a violent take over a President who was trying to prevent a civil war from starting in the Donbass area which started after the overthrow when Ukraine ablished the Russian speaking majority to stop speaking Russian and when that was resisted started to shell the civilians which generated a separatist group to fight back then Russia began sending food, arms and intelligence to support the strong Russian majority in the Donbass area.

It was Ukraine who started the war when they began shelling the dominant Russian majority in the Donbass area.
Are you a Russian bot? That is the only explanation for your deceptive posts and lousy spelling.
 
Putin said yesterday that he's willing to end his war in Ukraine (aka "special military operation" in authoritarian Russia, or else!) if Russia (meaning Putin) gets "respect" from western countries. Did Hitler get respect?

Putin maintains that it's NATO's fault for expanding east toward Russia, and THAT is why he invaded a peaceful country -- Ukraine, since Ukraine wants NATO security (and EU prosperity). In reality, NATO is a DEFENSIVE organization and Putin is jealous that Ukrainians ALSO want to break away from his AUTHORITARIANISM.

Putin can stop HIS war anytime. No more excuses.
He started it for BS reasons (Hitler-like expansion), and he should end it ASAP. If not, then NATO, including USA, should maximize their sanctions and assist Ukraine with long-range weapons to destroy Russia's military assets and oil/gas economy. What is Trump waiting for? Putin will not stop until he has to.

**** Putin
 
Shoulda, woulda, shut up, pig, or piglet, if you wish. NATO can do squat. Ukraine is finished, fucked up owing to the US, mostly. What's next on the list? Venezuela? You know, can't the US for once address the real problems that are rotting it from the inside? Homelessness, for instance, stupification of its people. Look at yourself for instance. What generation of a moron are you in your family?
What an idiotic reply! A failed attempt at deflection.
I pointed out how ridiculous Putin's demand for "respect" is, since HE is the one who invaded a peaceful country that gave up nuclear weapons in 1994 (?). Putin is the authoritarian warmonger who kills his own Russians for his own narcissistic benefit & destroys billions of euros in infrastructures in addition to committing war crimes.

Putin deserves NO RESPECT, unless he gets his troops out of an INDEPENDENT country and pays reparations. THEN, he may get some respect; a bit more than Hitler.
 
Each and every one of those countries came to NATO because they had spent decades under the Russian jackboot.

Unlike the old Warsaw Pact comprised of hostage countries, each and every NATO addition asked to be allowed to join.

They all know what it means to live under Russian authoritarianism and rediscovered their self-respect and switched sides.

Hell... get rid of Lukashenko and BELARUS would jump at the chance to join and to escape the decaying Russian orbit.

But NATO does not START wars... if merely FINISHES them... if Russia remains peaceful it has no reason whatsoever to fear.

Hell... in truth... they have more to fear from North Korea or China or Iran than they do NATO, if Russia behaves peacefully.
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What an idiotic reply! A failed attempt at deflection.
I pointed out how ridiculous Putin's demand for "respect" is, since HE is the one who invaded a peaceful country that gave up nuclear weapons in 1994 (?). Putin is the authoritarian warmonger who kills his own Russians for his own narcissistic benefit & destroys billions of euros in infrastructures in addition to committing war crimes.

Putin deserves NO RESPECT, unless he gets his troops out of an INDEPENDENT country and pays reparations. THEN, he may get some respect; a bit more than Hitler.
A respect from the faggots is worse than hate from them. What are you moron talking about? Invaded a peaceful country? That peaceful ******* country killed 14000 of its own but Russian speaking people prior to that, but of course you haven't heard about that, right. GFY, dickhead. Ukraine is toast and no stupid negotiations can save it.
 
Bwahahahahahaha, it was the Russians who freed those countries when they dissolved the Warsaw Pact in the first place in the early 1990's

Stalin invaded those countries to use as a buffer against the Germans in the late 1930's but never let them go as he should have in 1945, that was his dumb error as those fleabag countries have nothing to offer to justify keeping them.


It is clear you have not followed the process from the 1990's onward that destabilized the region from NATO breaking their promise not to expand, to stay in a defensive posture only as their charter states while they help Ukraine fortify areas after 2014 and to show intention of building a NATO base just inside the Ukrainian border thus put Russia into survival situation as there is no longer any time left to defend their airspace thus forced them to invade to remove that existenstional threat.

You are so freaking ignorant of what has transpired that caused a violent take over a President who was trying to prevent a civil war from starting in the Donbass area which started after the overthrow when Ukraine ablished the Russian speaking majority to stop speaking Russian and when that was resisted started to shell the civilians which generated a separatist group to fight back then Russia began sending food, arms and intelligence to support the strong Russian majority in the Donbass area.

It was Ukraine who started the war when they began shelling the dominant Russian majority in the Donbass area.
Obvious Kremlin propaganda for those of us who understand what was going on in Ukraine's Donbas oblasts, as well as Putin's invasion of Crimea in 2014.

Yes, there were mostly Russian-speaking ethnic UKRAINIANS in the eastern parts of Ukraine, due to Stalin's forced RUSSIFICATION. However, ethnic Ukrainians were the majority who did not want Putin's henchmen to take over & further Russify their homeland.
Ukrainians there ALSO spoke Ukrainian as well as Russian, unlike the immigrant Russians.
 
What's fake? That you're a dickhead or Europe is a country of faggots?
On the other hand though, looking at the load of crap you are spewing you must have some Bandera blood in you, which makes you immune to common sense and a scumbag. As I said, gfy, preferably in some twisted sophisticated manner.
 
I see the many replies are full of anger and ignorance as I stated which no one knew had happened that is is how ignorant you people really are, here is the DECLASSIFIED documents showing that the many Western leaders did promise no more NATO expansion in 1990.

"1990 – U.S. assures Russia that NATO will not expand towards its border “…there would be no extension of…NATO one inch to the east,” says US Secretary of State James Baker."
 
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