GLASNOST
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Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees
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The EU & HATO agreed to the Minsk Peace deal with Russia, but did everything they could to ignore it and negate it.Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees
20 Aug 2025 ~~ By Iona Cleave
Russia: We must have veto power over Ukraine security guarantees
Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.www.yahoo.com
Russia will only agree to security guarantees for Ukraine if it has the power to veto them, its foreign minister has said.
Sergei Lavrov said that any attempt to bolster Ukrainian security that did not involve Moscow was a “road to nowhere” and “will not work”.
Mr Lavrov said a “very good example” of a potential blueprint could be found in the Istanbul framework of 2022.
Under a draft discussed at the time, Ukraine would have received guarantees from a group of countries including the five permanent members of the UN Security Council – China, Russia, the United States, Britain and France.
Kyiv rejected the proposal as it would have given Moscow veto power over its national security.
On Tuesday, Donald Trump ruled out putting American boots on the ground once a peace deal is signed, but instead suggested the US was prepared to provide air support to police Ukraine’s skies.
Mr Trump told Fox News: “When it comes to security, they’re [Europe] willing to put people on the ground.”
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‘No limitations’ should be put on Ukraine
Last week, Sir Keir Starmer and his European counterparts said “no limitations should be placed on Ukraine’s armed forces or its cooperation with third countries.”
It comes amid reports that about 10 European countries are ready to send forces to Ukraine as part of security guarantees for the country following a peace deal.
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On Tuesday, European officials fleshed out the plan to send a multinational “reassurance force” to deter future Russian aggression and now await Mr Trump’s approval, Bloomberg reported, citing people familiar with the matter.
The first stage would see European troops – including hundreds of British and French soldiers – being stationed in Ukraine, away from the front line, to help its military with training and reinforcements.
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It comes as Polish officials claimed a Russian drone crashed in a field in eastern Poland on Wednesday, in what Wladyslaw Kosiniak-Kamysz, Poland’s defence minister, called a “provocation” from the Kremlin.
The drone hit and scorched a cornfield in the village of Osiny in the eastern Lublin province overnight, just over 62 miles from the Ukrainian border and around 90 km from Belarus, according to early findings, Polish officials said.
Poland has been on high alert for objects entering its airspace since a stray Ukrainian missile struck a southern Polish village in 2022, killing two people.
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These are clearly irreconcilable differences. The people of the Ukraine would never go for this.
This shows Putin’s intensions all along, going back to 2014 and before, that he wanted full control of Ukraine and that Yanukovych was his *****. Putin is not serious about ending the war.
This is not logical. We are supposed to give Russia the veto power over whether Russia is invading Ukraine again?
Walk away. Sell more arms. Bomb pipelines, financially destroy the Russian economy and give the Ukrainians the ability to do to Russia as the Russians are doing to them. Start bombing their cities and population.
There's no reason for the Ukrainians to give up because the violence won't end: if Russia takes over or a Russian puppet is installed, every current politician and army member will be murdered or jailed and tortured.
Counter proposal to Putin through Lavrov is as follows:
Opening gambit: Is Russian prepared to give up all the land it has conquered including the Crimea in return for this agreement?
GLASNOST
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Exactly.
Deadstick
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Merkel admitted they used Minsk to give time for the Ukrainian Army to rebuild after the Donbass Militia's gave them a Royal beating at Donetsk airport and Debaltseve and they had already massed 200,000 troops on the Donbass contact line complete with Nato weapons ready for another assault.
JWBooth
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Really? I was thinking Albanian, Nigerian and Haitian troops. Given the propensity for criminality in those places, they’d fit right in. Especially West of the Dnieper.
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Additional information on how the West crossed the Russian redline on Ukraine
GLASNOST
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GLASNOST
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Those of us with brains don't need to see this video. We have known it for a long time.
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Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?
Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?
The West has worried about Vladimir Putin's "red lines" in Ukraine. A Cipher Brief expert thinks the U.S. should have "red lines" of its own.
www.thecipherbrief.com
But for every “action” there is a “reaction,” and in this case the Kremlin’s “action” was designed to turn Washington’s “action” into “inaction.” Now those restrictions have been lifted – but back then, before Blinken even arrived in Kyiv, Moscow started to fill the information space with threats. Vladimir Putin made it clear that any use of Western-weapons systems against Russian forces on Russian territory would cross the Kremlin’s “red line.”
President Joe Biden and his counterparts in Brussels were warned not to dare cross Putin’s “red line,” because the consequences would lead to an escalation of conflict between Moscow and the West. Sadly, Blinken didn’t lift the restrictions during his visit to Kyiv.
~Snip~
Since February 2022, the world has heard about Vladimir Putin’s “red lines,” over and over again. The U.S. and its allies have worried about Putin’s “red lines,” worried that crossing them could provoke a major escalation by the Russians. Maybe even a nuclear one. But what about Putin? Has he ever once stopped to worry about all the red lines he has crossed – and is still crossing? Isn’t it time to remind Putin and his allies that we have “red lines,” too?
Deadstick
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Well keep your red lines in the US Gunny.~~~~~~>
Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?
The West has worried about Vladimir Putin's "red lines" in Ukraine. A Cipher Brief expert thinks the U.S. should have "red lines" of its own.
But for every “action” there is a “reaction,” and in this case the Kremlin’s “action” was designed to turn Washington’s “action” into “inaction.” Now those restrictions have been lifted – but back then, before Blinken even arrived in Kyiv, Moscow started to fill the information space with threats. Vladimir Putin made it clear that any use of Western-weapons systems against Russian forces on Russian territory would cross the Kremlin’s “red line.”
President Joe Biden and his counterparts in Brussels were warned not to dare cross Putin’s “red line,” because the consequences would lead to an escalation of conflict between Moscow and the West. Sadly, Blinken didn’t lift the restrictions during his visit to Kyiv.
~Snip~
Since February 2022, the world has heard about Vladimir Putin’s “red lines,” over and over again. The U.S. and its allies have worried about Putin’s “red lines,” worried that crossing them could provoke a major escalation by the Russians. Maybe even a nuclear one. But what about Putin? Has he ever once stopped to worry about all the red lines he has crossed – and is still crossing? Isn’t it time to remind Putin and his allies that we have “red lines,” too?
GLASNOST
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The thing is that the West has been making false claims of "red lines" that Putin never declared. This time it's real:~~~~~~>
Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?
The West has worried about Vladimir Putin's "red lines" in Ukraine. A Cipher Brief expert thinks the U.S. should have "red lines" of its own.
But for every “action” there is a “reaction,” and in this case the Kremlin’s “action” was designed to turn Washington’s “action” into “inaction.” Now those restrictions have been lifted – but back then, before Blinken even arrived in Kyiv, Moscow started to fill the information space with threats. Vladimir Putin made it clear that any use of Western-weapons systems against Russian forces on Russian territory would cross the Kremlin’s “red line.”
President Joe Biden and his counterparts in Brussels were warned not to dare cross Putin’s “red line,” because the consequences would lead to an escalation of conflict between Moscow and the West. Sadly, Blinken didn’t lift the restrictions during his visit to Kyiv.
~Snip~
Since February 2022, the world has heard about Vladimir Putin’s “red lines,” over and over again. The U.S. and its allies have worried about Putin’s “red lines,” worried that crossing them could provoke a major escalation by the Russians. Maybe even a nuclear one. But what about Putin? Has he ever once stopped to worry about all the red lines he has crossed – and is still crossing? Isn’t it time to remind Putin and his allies that we have “red lines,” too?
NotYankee
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Tsar Putin agreed to a secure peace deal called the Minsk agreement. But the EU & HATO totally negated it with the intent to resume the murder of people in East Ukraine, and to harm Russia.
GLASNOST
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The EU and North Atlantic Terror Organisation are pushing the boundaries of peace. They misjudge Russia's willingness to live in coexistence with the rest of the world - the West thinks it means weakness, the impetuous fools. The West is playing by cheater's rules. They break civilised agreements but when they lose the game (plus a broader buffer) they will expect to return to the line of confrontation before they ran amok. But I don't think it is going to happen that way. Donbas and Krim will never again return to the Ukraini/EU sphere of control. If the West cannot oversee a guarantee buffer then Russia will have to do it on its own terms without UN/EU consent. If the Democratic mediator is no longer lawful or Democratic then they (and their assessments) should be ignored. It is pure logic.
The EU didn't invade Ukraine, RUSSIA did.
They are the ones murdering people in East Ukraine. West Ukraine, North Ukraine and South Ukraine.
gipper
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Wow are you uninformed.
Do you know anything about the history of Ukraine and US involvement there, other than what you heard on state controlled cable news?
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I didn't state the US.
I stated EU.
I didn't state involvement.
I stated invade.
The US, EU and Russia have been involved with Ukraine for many years.
It was Russia who broke the Minsk agreement.
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gipper
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No. Minsk was a smoke screen and euro leaders have admitted this. It was a deception. They armed Ukraine to the teeth, while lying to Russia.
Do you know anything about the coup in 2014? How about the decade long shelling of the Donbas by Ukraine, killing thousands of Russian speakers? How about the deal by the US not to expand NATO eastward, after the fall of the USSR?
Russia agreed to it.
Explainer: What Are the Minsk Agreements?
The Moscow Times
https://www.themoscowtimes.com › News
Feb 11, 2022 — Ukraine and the separatists agreed to an immediate 12-point ceasefire deal including withdrawal of heavy weapons and prisoner exchanges.
Russian state-run television refers to the Minsk agreements as “the only solution” to Russia-Ukraine tensions, echoing the statement made by Russian President Vladimir Putin in his Monday meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron.
That's what Russia claims.
THEIR leader was disposed.
Ukraine reflects on events that began its collision course ...
AP News
https://apnews.com › article
Nov 21, 2023 — The standoff reached a climax in February 2014, when police unleashed a brutal crackdown on the protests and dozens of people were slain between ...
On Nov. 21, 2013, the Moscow-friendly president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, announced he was shelving an agreement to bring the country closer to the European Union and instead would deepen ties with President Vladimir Putin’s Russia.
If it was a coup, as you state.
Why are Ukrainians even fighting for?
Those Russian speakers also shelled Ukraine killing thousands.
In Ukraine's Donbas, ten years of war and Russification
France 24
https://www.france24.com › Home › Europe
Apr 8, 2024 — On April 7, 2014, a coup by pro-Russian militants in the city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine was the spark that ignited the Donbas war.
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Reasonable if you're a total bully and think you get to decide how everyone else runs their own countries.
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Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?Does the West Have ‘Red Lines’ In Ukraine?
The West has worried about Vladimir Putin's "red lines" in Ukraine. A Cipher Brief expert thinks the U.S. should have "red lines" of its own.
But for every “action” there is a “reaction,” and in this case the Kremlin’s “action” was designed to turn Washington’s “action” into “inaction.” Now those restrictions have been lifted – but back then, before Blinken even arrived in Kyiv, Moscow started to fill the information space with threats. Vladimir Putin made it clear that any use of Western-weapons systems against Russian forces on Russian territory would cross the Kremlin’s “red line.”
President Joe Biden and his counterparts in Brussels were warned not to dare cross Putin’s “red line,” because the consequences would lead to an escalation of conflict between Moscow and the West. Sadly, Blinken didn’t lift the restrictions during his visit to Kyiv.
~Snip~
Since February 2022, the world has heard about Vladimir Putin’s “red lines,” over and over again. The U.S. and its allies have worried about Putin’s “red lines,” worried that crossing them could provoke a major escalation by the Russians. Maybe even a nuclear one. But what about Putin? Has he ever once stopped to worry about all the red lines he has crossed – and is still crossing? Isn’t it time to remind Putin and his allies that we have “red lines,” too?
Had Biden moved troops into the Ukraine in January, there wouldn't have been a war.
Putin is a bluffer. He always has been. He does everything on the cheap, from killing opponents like Litvinenko to invading the Ukraine.
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