Supreme Court Rules 7-2 on Obamacare

[Flash]

This is just another example of why we can't trust the Judicial to protect our Liberties any more than we can trust the Legislative or Executive Branches.

Just remember that the first Obamacare ruling was that it was legal because it was a fucking tax. Even though the Obama administration argued that it wasn't a tax. How friggin stupid was that?

 

[XponentialChaos]

10/24/2016: "On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare. It's a set of promises for what I'll do in my first 100 days. It includes getting rid of immediately Obamacare, which is a disaster."

10/25/2016: "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability. You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."

2/27/2017: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated."

 

[blackhawk]

So the Supreme Court that everyone was wringing their hands over makes rulings that are not based on the politics of the President who nominated them.

You mean the Supreme Court that Trumpers including Trump himself LITERALLY CLAIMED that in getting a 6-3 Supreme Court meant Obamacare would be struck down, all of those 70 plus voter fraud cases would be won, etc, etc, etc.....


I guarantee you that conservatives are more willing to say this ruling proves the Supreme Court is part of the Deep State than any sane person would.....

As soon as the Court hands down a ruling the liberals don’t like they will be out in force with their talking points. Partisans no matter which side they are on are nothing if not consistent.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

That's truly a shame. The Court is a joke. I just hope Manchin keeps his finger in the dam. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

People can get any healthcare plan they want, there are several and all you have to do is choose one and pay the premiums. Obammycare makes us pay for the dregs to get free healthcare and that is not right.

People can get any healthcare plan they want, there are several and all you have to do is choose one and pay the premiums. Obammycare makes us pay for the dregs to get free healthcare and that is not right.

Those dregs get healthcare and the govt pays even before the ACA. Federal law says ERs cannot turn anyone away based on their ability to pay. The govt reimburses those hospitals for their indigent care given. The ACA was an attempt to achieve universal coverage. For some, that coverage is subsidized. Just at a much lower and more controlled rate than reimbursing indigent care after the fact.

 

[BlindBoo]

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

and you think Medicare is any different?...

And the irony of ACA is that it forces people to buy insurance.

How? How can ACA force you?

Without a public option the only other choice is to go without insurance.

They left out the one and only way to properly bring some competition to the health care insurance industry.

I wish they had included a public option but the republicans said if that happened no one would buy private for profit insurance.

Which should tell everyone that Americans can't stand private for profit insurance companies.

If we had real choice like the republicans say they want us to have, there would have been a public option. Those who are sick and tired of the private for profit insurance companies can finally tell them to bite me. Those who want to stay with that system can.

That is real choice.

The Republicans did not have the votes to stop public option. Democrats stopped it. They had the 60 votes needed and they didn't pass it.

Obama caved right away took it off the table when the negotiations barely started.

 

[SavannahMann]

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

As one who has battled the Insurance Companies before. And will again. It is honestly not a concern of mine. Frankly the longer I spend trying to get the insurance companies to care for my wife as they are supposed to, the better Single Payer sounds.

As long as you don't mind every single election being a referendum on whether grandma lives or dies.

That referendum is being fought out monthly now. You mean I can make it a fight I have to deal with every couple years instead? My God. That sounds like paradise.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Sadly, nobody really wants your shittier idea of a health care solution either....if they did, you wouldn't be whining about it so much

I’m not whining about my healthcare at all. I have excellent “Cadillac” health insurance through my employer.

My concern is that the more people become accepting of extended Government interference in health services the more likely a “Medicare for All” system is and then I have no health care at all.

Your concern is wrong and unwarranted.

 

[Dana7360]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

Provide for the common welfare....

There is no health care in the constitution. You think the FF even thought of health care??

Common welfare means everyone has the same chance to be all they can be. It has nothing to do with HC which you won't fine anywhere in the Constitution.

You could refer to it as the US Constipation, because that's its equivalent. Literally!

The ACA isn't government healthcare

By forcing people to purchase insurance, even if they don’t want to, it may as well be Government Healthcare.

It’s also a major step to acceptance of Government involvement in health care, which is immoral and unconstitutional.

It's neither.

People who won't purchace health care insurance are expecting a free ride on other people's dime.

How's that for a conservative agenda? You fkng American bozos just refuse to 'get it'!

Exactly.

They don't pay insurance then when they get sick or are in an accident not covered by car insurance they deadbeat on the bills.

Then those bills are "cost shifted" to those of us who are responsible, do buy insurance and pay our bills.

It's one of the biggest reasons why health care is much more expensive in America.

Right now if you go to a doctor's office or hospital you're not just paying for yourself but you're paying for all those deadbeats who refuse to be responsible.

When all medical bills are paid, everyone has lower insurance premiums and medical costs.

Example, Hawaii had single payer health care until Obamacare. That means every medical bill for everyone was paid properly.

I was in a life threatening accident with monster 15 ft waves in Hawaii. I first went through the ER then was admitted to the ICU. I was in a coma. Almost every type of doctor helped me from cardiologists to breathing specialists and everything in between.

When the bill came from the hospital I expected it to be at the very least 50 thousand dollars.

The bill from the hospital was 26 thousand dollars. The bills from the labs and doctors were equally as low.

Because there is no "cost shifting" of medical bills. There are no unpaid bills to cause everyone else to have to pay many times more than it should cost.

 

[Donald H]

But we do wonder why Americans refuse single payer universal health care that's half the cost per capita and proven to be better in other countries?

It’s something called self-reliance and personal responsibility. I wouldn’t expect foreigners to understand but some of us believe we can do a better job of looking after ourselves than the Government can.

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

How will you pay for services without health insurance? Who’s paying that $250k bill for the 10 surgeries to rebuild your pelvis after a car accident or your $60k a month chemotherapy treatments?
There’s a reason health insurance exists. The healthy pay for the sick. Not many individuals could afford to pay for open heart surgery out of pocket.

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

Insurance is a business and always a very profitable one. US health care insurance has turned health care into a money making proposition for big insurance companies, at the expense of those who require health care.

Government can do it better, mainly because big profits aren't necessary.

But to your point, America's government has been corrupted to the point where it has little or no ambition to care for the American people. Not even the Democrats want real meaningful change!

Don't try to support or argue for America's failed HC system. Even the extreme right can't place any confidence in that anymore.

Even Trump admitted it needed fixing. But sadly, he had no remedy for fixing it and certainly no intention to ever do so.

Trump, a corporate psychopath, expected to take huge profits away from private insurance companies?? Not fkng likely my friend!

The American people have been bound and gagged by your failing system, but you'll still continue to claim you are FREE.

 

[blackhawk]

Here is a court ruling some on the left might not be to happy with.
Supreme Court sides with Catholic foster agency that excludes same-sex couples in 9-0 ruling | Fox News

 

[Jets]

10/24/2016: "On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare. It's a set of promises for what I'll do in my first 100 days. It includes getting rid of immediately Obamacare, which is a disaster."

10/25/2016: "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability. You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."

2/27/2017: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated."

 

[Dana7360]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

You won't find lots of things in the Constitution.......but that is an extremely childish justification for not wanting more people to have health care....

But anyhoo....The first federal public healthcare law was signed in 1798....by one of those "Founders" you love to worship.....was he a socialist marxist??

You want health care then you buy it like everyone else does. You want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

You are subsidizing someone's healthcare regardless...or do you not know how insurance companies work??

Fact is.....you are subsidizing someone else's healthcare in a more ineffective way in the private market than you would be in the public market....


But aside from that point...do you not care that Republicans lie to you over and over again about their healthcare plans?? Did you already know Trump was being full of shit about promising everyone affordable healthcare with his non-existent plan?? Was that one of those lies you didn't mind because your cult leader said it?

Well since I'm not a Rep I really don't care what they say.

As for me. I'm on Medicare. Which I've paid for my whole working life. If you want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

If you're on Medicare then you have other people paying for your health care.

You people are so full of racism and hate for each other that you've lost track of reality in the real world. fkng losers!

Not just medicare.

If anyone is on any insurance, other people are paying for their health care.

That's how insurance works.

It's almost like single payer except it's more expensive, the insurance company takes a percentage off the top to put in their pockets, the insurance company controls what health care you can have and can deny any bill for just about any reason.

Insurance is just a group of people paying money in for everyone in the group to have their medical bills paid.


Single pay is just a nationwide group paying money in for everyone's medical bills. Only the government doesn't take a percentage off the top to put in their pockets, don't control what health care you have and don't deny to pay bills for no real reason at all. Nor can the government kick you off your health care because you got sick.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

Exactly!
Republicans showed up again empty handed and without merit.

 

[Donald H]

10/24/2016: "On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare. It's a set of promises for what I'll do in my first 100 days. It includes getting rid of immediately Obamacare, which is a disaster."

10/25/2016: "My first day in office, I am going to ask Congress to put a bill on my desk getting rid of this disastrous law and replacing it with reforms that expand choice, freedom, affordability. You're going to have such great health care at a tiny fraction of the cost. And it's going to be so easy."

2/27/2017: "Nobody knew that healthcare could be so complicated."

You were supposed to believe that Trump, a corporate psychopath, would take away huge profits from the big insurance companies. Not in a million fkng years. He duped his followers into believing in his lies.

There's only one possible fix for 'FOR PROFIT' health care.
elminate the big profit.

 

[Donald H]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

You won't find lots of things in the Constitution.......but that is an extremely childish justification for not wanting more people to have health care....

But anyhoo....The first federal public healthcare law was signed in 1798....by one of those "Founders" you love to worship.....was he a socialist marxist??

You want health care then you buy it like everyone else does. You want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

You are subsidizing someone's healthcare regardless...or do you not know how insurance companies work??

Fact is.....you are subsidizing someone else's healthcare in a more ineffective way in the private market than you would be in the public market....


But aside from that point...do you not care that Republicans lie to you over and over again about their healthcare plans?? Did you already know Trump was being full of shit about promising everyone affordable healthcare with his non-existent plan?? Was that one of those lies you didn't mind because your cult leader said it?

Well since I'm not a Rep I really don't care what they say.

As for me. I'm on Medicare. Which I've paid for my whole working life. If you want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

If you're on Medicare then you have other people paying for your health care.

You people are so full of racism and hate for each other that you've lost track of reality in the real world. fkng losers!

Not just medicare.

If anyone is on any insurance, other people are paying for their health care.

That's how insurance works.

It's almost like single payer except it's more expensive, the insurance company takes a percentage off the top to put in their pockets, the insurance company controls what health care you can have and can deny any bill for just about any reason.

Insurance is just a group of people paying money in for everyone in the group to have their medical bills paid.


Single pay is just a nationwide group paying money in for everyone's medical bills. Only the government doesn't take a percentage off the top to put in their pockets, don't control what health care you have and don't deny to pay bills for no real reason at all. Nor can the government kick you off your health care because you got sick.

Exactly!
Take the insurance company's huge profits out of the equation and America's health care can all of a sudden be competitive on quality and availability with the world's leading countries.
And you obviously know that corrupt government that is bought and paid by those companies, makes any of that quite impossible.

That is, until the American people force change on government.

 

[kaz]

But we do wonder why Americans refuse single payer universal health care that's half the cost per capita and proven to be better in other countries?

It’s something called self-reliance and personal responsibility. I wouldn’t expect foreigners to understand but some of us believe we can do a better job of looking after ourselves than the Government can.

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

How will you pay for services without health insurance? Who’s paying that $250k bill for the 10 surgeries to rebuild your pelvis after a car accident or your $60k a month chemotherapy treatments?
There’s a reason health insurance exists. The healthy pay for the sick. Not many individuals could afford to pay for open heart surgery out of pocket.

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

Insurance is a business and always a very profitable one. US health care insurance has turned health care into a money making proposition for big insurance companies, at the expense of those who require health care.

Government can do it better, mainly because big profits aren't necessary.

But to your point, America's government has been corrupted to the point where it has little or no ambition to care for the American people. Not even the Democrats want real meaningful change!

Don't try to support or argue for America's failed HC system. Even the extreme right can't place any confidence in that anymore.

Even Trump admitted it needed fixing. But sadly, he had no remedy for fixing it and certainly no intention to ever do so.

Trump, a corporate psychopath, expected to take huge profits away from private insurance companies?? Not fkng likely my friend!

The American people have been bound and gagged by your failing system, but you'll still continue to claim you are FREE.

Just more of your stupid Marxist propaganda. Companies provide a service for a marketable cost. You want them to shut down giving away free shit because you want it.

As I pointed out, charity should be the LAST option, not the first, which is why our medical system is failing

 

[Donald H]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

Provide for the common welfare....

There is no health care in the constitution. You think the FF even thought of health care??

Common welfare means everyone has the same chance to be all they can be. It has nothing to do with HC which you won't fine anywhere in the Constitution.

You could refer to it as the US Constipation, because that's its equivalent. Literally!

The ACA isn't government healthcare

By forcing people to purchase insurance, even if they don’t want to, it may as well be Government Healthcare.

It’s also a major step to acceptance of Government involvement in health care, which is immoral and unconstitutional.

It's neither.

People who won't purchace health care insurance are expecting a free ride on other people's dime.

How's that for a conservative agenda? You fkng American bozos just refuse to 'get it'!

Exactly.

They don't pay insurance then when they get sick or are in an accident not covered by car insurance they deadbeat on the bills.

Then those bills are "cost shifted" to those of us who are responsible, do buy insurance and pay our bills.

It's one of the biggest reasons why health care is much more expensive in America.

Right now if you go to a doctor's office or hospital you're not just paying for yourself but you're paying for all those deadbeats who refuse to be responsible.

When all medical bills are paid, everyone has lower insurance premiums and medical costs.

Example, Hawaii had single payer health care until Obamacare. That means every medical bill for everyone was paid properly.

I was in a life threatening accident with monster 15 ft waves in Hawaii. I first went through the ER then was admitted to the ICU. I was in a coma. Almost every type of doctor helped me from cardiologists to breathing specialists and everything in between.

When the bill came from the hospital I expected it to be at the very least 50 thousand dollars.

The bill from the hospital was 26 thousand dollars. The bills from the labs and doctors were equally as low.

Because there is no "cost shifting" of medical bills. There are no unpaid bills to cause everyone else to have to pay many times more than it should cost.

My latest bill from the hospital was $0,000,000.
And the next one is going to be even higher if it's not lower.

What is freedom?

 

[jbrownson0831]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

Provide for the common welfare....

There is no health care in the constitution. You think the FF even thought of health care??

Common welfare means everyone has the same chance to be all they can be. It has nothing to do with HC which you won't fine anywhere in the Constitution.

You could refer to it as the US Constipation, because that's its equivalent. Literally!

The ACA isn't government healthcare

By forcing people to purchase insurance, even if they don’t want to, it may as well be Government Healthcare.

It’s also a major step to acceptance of Government involvement in health care, which is immoral and unconstitutional.

It's neither.

People who won't purchace health care insurance are expecting a free ride on other people's dime.

How's that for a conservative agenda? You fkng American bozos just refuse to 'get it'!

Exactly.

They don't pay insurance then when they get sick or are in an accident not covered by car insurance they deadbeat on the bills.

Then those bills are "cost shifted" to those of us who are responsible, do buy insurance and pay our bills.

It's one of the biggest reasons why health care is much more expensive in America.

Right now if you go to a doctor's office or hospital you're not just paying for yourself but you're paying for all those deadbeats who refuse to be responsible.

When all medical bills are paid, everyone has lower insurance premiums and medical costs.

Example, Hawaii had single payer health care until Obamacare. That means every medical bill for everyone was paid properly.

I was in a life threatening accident with monster 15 ft waves in Hawaii. I first went through the ER then was admitted to the ICU. I was in a coma. Almost every type of doctor helped me from cardiologists to breathing specialists and everything in between.

When the bill came from the hospital I expected it to be at the very least 50 thousand dollars.

The bill from the hospital was 26 thousand dollars. The bills from the labs and doctors were equally as low.

Because there is no "cost shifting" of medical bills. There are no unpaid bills to cause everyone else to have to pay many times more than it should cost.

And you wait months for needed surgeries.

 

[kaz]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

Exactly!
Republicans showed up again empty handed and without merit.

That isn't what I said. God you're stupid

 

[toobfreak]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

Don't have standing. Just like the cases brought by Trump and others on election fraud. This ACA case has been dismissed, just like the election fraud, NOT on lack of evidence, but on lack of STANDING.