Supreme Court Rules 7-2 on Obamacare

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

I've spent way too much time discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA. It's corporatist shitshow throughout.

But, outside it's corruption and the blatant violation of Constitutional limits on government, the ACA does not have broad consensus. It was passed on strict partisan lines and will be a political football going forward, constantly torn and twisted as successive administrations get their hands on it.

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

You will never convince a Statist that anything is wrong with a government program.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

That's truly a shame. The Court is a joke. I just hope Manchin keeps his finger in the dam. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

Your post is contradictory.
Obamacare is mandated private health insurance, which can never morph into a better health care system.

What we need to do instead it get the federal government, the employers, and private health insurance companies out of health care entirely. Which can easily be done by eliminating the employer tax write off for employee benefits.
The federal government has no business doing anything with heath care, so Obamacare is no legal.

Your post is contradictory.
Obamacare is mandated private health insurance, which can never morph into a better health care system

The goal with the ACA was to reach universal coverage. By default, universal coverage is better than not.

 

[dblack]

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

I've spent way too much time discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA. It's corporatist shitshow throughout.

But, outside it's corruption and the blatant violation of Constitutional limits on government, the ACA does not have broad consensus. It was passed on strict partisan lines and will be a political football going forward, constantly torn and twisted as successive administrations get their hands on it.

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

You will never convince a Statist that anything is wrong with a government program.

What gets me is that they pass this shit, presumably, with the assumption that the "other side" will never, ever, be in power again. Do they really want miscreants like Trump (or worse) in charge of their health care???

 

[otto105]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

You won't find lots of things in the Constitution.......but that is an extremely childish justification for not wanting more people to have health care....

But anyhoo....The first federal public healthcare law was signed in 1798....by one of those "Founders" you love to worship.....was he a socialist marxist??

You want health care then you buy it like everyone else does. You want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

You are subsidizing someone's healthcare regardless...or do you not know how insurance companies work??

Fact is.....you are subsidizing someone else's healthcare in a more ineffective way in the private market than you would be in the public market....


But aside from that point...do you not care that Republicans lie to you over and over again about their healthcare plans?? Did you already know Trump was being full of shit about promising everyone affordable healthcare with his non-existent plan?? Was that one of those lies you didn't mind because your cult leader said it?

Well since I'm not a Rep I really don't care what they say.

As for me. I'm on Medicare. Which I've paid for my whole working life. If you want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

If you're on Medicare then you have other people paying for your health care.

You people are so full of racism and hate for each other that you've lost track of reality in the real world. fkng losers!

Fail

 

[Dana7360]

You can enact the legislation. The Supreme Court can uphold it. However, you can NEVER make me use Government Healthcare.

ILL DIE FIRST!!!!

Well, what are you waiting for?

The thing is, the only government health care in America is the VA system. That is doctors who are government employees.

Buying insurance from a private for profit insurance company then seeing a private for profit doctor isn't government health care.

Obamacare isn't government health care.

It's the government putting long needed regulations on private for profit insurance companies.

 

[dudmuck]

You can enact the legislation. The Supreme Court can uphold it. However, you can NEVER make me use Government Healthcare.

I”LL DIE FIRST!!!!

or sell your maga hat:

 

[kaz]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

The same cop out they used to not rule on Democrat election fraud

 

[Dana7360]

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

and you think Medicare is any different?...

And the irony of ACA is that it forces people to buy insurance.

How? How can ACA force you?

Without a public option the only other choice is to go without insurance.

They left out the one and only way to properly bring some competition to the health care insurance industry.

I wish they had included a public option but the republicans said if that happened no one would buy private for profit insurance.

Which should tell everyone that Americans can't stand private for profit insurance companies.

If we had real choice like the republicans say they want us to have, there would have been a public option. Those who are sick and tired of the private for profit insurance companies can finally tell them to bite me. Those who want to stay with that system can.

That is real choice.

 

[Papageorgio]

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

and you think Medicare is any different?...

And the irony of ACA is that it forces people to buy insurance.

How? How can ACA force you?

Without a public option the only other choice is to go without insurance.

They left out the one and only way to properly bring some competition to the health care insurance industry.

I wish they had included a public option but the republicans said if that happened no one would buy private for profit insurance.

Which should tell everyone that Americans can't stand private for profit insurance companies.

If we had real choice like the republicans say they want us to have, there would have been a public option. Those who are sick and tired of the private for profit insurance companies can finally tell them to bite me. Those who want to stay with that system can.

That is real choice.

The Republicans did not have the votes to stop public option. Democrats stopped it. They had the 60 votes needed and they didn't pass it.

 

[otto105]

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

I've spent way too much time discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA. It's corporatist shitshow throughout.

But, outside it's corruption and the blatant violation of Constitutional limits on government, the ACA does not have broad consensus. It was passed on strict partisan lines and will be a political football going forward, constantly torn and twisted as successive administrations get their hands on it.

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

You will never convince a Statist that anything is wrong with a government program.

Black or white.....white or black.

Say, just where is libertarianism practiced on this planet?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

But we do wonder why Americans refuse single payer universal health care that's half the cost per capita and proven to be better in other countries?

It’s something called self-reliance and personal responsibility. I wouldn’t expect foreigners to understand but some of us believe we can do a better job of looking after ourselves than the Government can.

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

How will you pay for services without health insurance? Who’s paying that $250k bill for the 10 surgeries to rebuild your pelvis after a car accident or your $60k a month chemotherapy treatments?
There’s a reason health insurance exists. The healthy pay for the sick. Not many individuals could afford to pay for open heart surgery out of pocket.

 

[XponentialChaos]

7-2.

Have Trumpsters called for an audit yet?

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Dana7360]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

That's truly a shame. The Court is a joke. I just hope Manchin keeps his finger in the dam. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

Robert Creamer is a political consultant who wrote over 600 pages of Obamacare while in prison for tax violations and bank fraud.

Insurance rates and deductible are soaring and the exchanges are failing. Jonathan Gruber, the one labeled as the "architect" - who said they relied on stupid American voters to get Obamacare passed - claims that the plan is working as designed. Huh, imagine that.

Wow, great plan! Lie to Americans to pass a bill that's destroying health care so everyone has to rely on the government. Typical Democrat policy.

No problem, Republicans will fix that travesty as soon as they have the Presidency, the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court...oh wait.

Just because Republicans are too weak-spined to stand up to the anti-American left doesn't mean that Obamacare is good for America.

What vile filth you are, putting your political ideology ahead of Americans. Typical leftist twit.

No dummy, it means that their "fixing" was even worse than what they were saying needs fixing.

It's easy to talk shit about a policy, but when it come time to put up a better alternative your side had nothing Americans would be even close to supporting.

I get it. You hate America and want more free stuff. You think by pretending that one party is far superior to the other you don't have to face that you're a useful idiot.

A truly better alternative would to be leave it to the states. You know, as prescribed in the US Constitution. Instead, like the slave to the big state you are, you ignore the very principles upon which America was founded.

And FYI, I know this is a really big struggle to understand for someone with severely limited critical thinking skills, but just because I see the Democrats as the domestic enemies of the US Constitution I took an oath to defend against, doesn't mean I'm a Republican. But that can't be! Thanks for the laughs!

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

Did Benji say this before or after he demanded "government" establish post offices, roads, etc??

Why didn't they just leave that stuff to the states......

PS -- the states are still "America" -- so this bullshit talking point about "leave it up to the states" is as full of shit as when Conservatives wanted to leave the issue of slavery up to the states

The Supreme Court left it to the states whether they would expand medicaid and join the exchange.

So what did the red states do?

The didn't expand medicaid and they didn't join the exchange.

The result being they have the highest rates of uninsured in the nation. The worst health care and least healthy populations.

 

[kaz]

But we do wonder why Americans refuse single payer universal health care that's half the cost per capita and proven to be better in other countries?

It’s something called self-reliance and personal responsibility. I wouldn’t expect foreigners to understand but some of us believe we can do a better job of looking after ourselves than the Government can.

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

I understand the mindset that holds Americans back from demanding better. And yes, some of you still, after many years of torture, still think that for profit health care is going to come to the rescue.

Give the private insurance companies another 40 or 50 years to get it right. It's only fair!

How will you pay for services without health insurance? Who’s paying that $250k bill for the 10 surgeries to rebuild your pelvis after a car accident or your $60k a month chemotherapy treatments?
There’s a reason health insurance exists. The healthy pay for the sick. Not many individuals could afford to pay for open heart surgery out of pocket.

Insurance is to spread unknown risk, not known costs. What you are describing is welfare. Welfare should be a last resort backup, not the way the entire system is designed

 

[Synthaholic]

 

[Dana7360]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

That's truly a shame. The Court is a joke. I just hope Manchin keeps his finger in the dam. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

and you think Medicare is any different?...

Anybody holding up signs like this demanding any healthcare plan Republicans proposed??View attachment 502413

For Medicare to be just like private insurance companies -- there sure seems to be a lot of historically popular bipartisan support for it over the last 60 or so years....

Why, exactly should ANYONE in Congress propose giving the federal goverment more power? Why do you support a bigger, more bloated government with the power to control even your health? Why would any red blooded patriot support creating an even bigger government directly against the founding principle of limited government? Of federalism?

It's truly astounding how narrow minded you leftist twits are. "We want free stuff - that really costs us far more both financially and in our physical health - and other stupid, selfish people like us want "free" stuff paid for by others. What freebies do you have to offer? None? Then you fail!"

You tried to prove the superiority of the left's policies and all you did was prove you're a government leech.

So you acknowledge that when Trump campaigned on having a better and more affordable healthcare plan that would cover everyone....he was just bullshitting...got it...

Tell you what.....every Republican running for office should campaign next time on repealing Medicare....I'm sure it would be a winning campaign promise...

Considering that the America First movement and the Convention of States are exploding in popularity, and that many are starting to actual read what is written in our founding documents, yes. I do think it would be wise to run on giving states back the power the federal goverment took from them.

The states created the federal goverment. Not the other way around. There are not one, but TWO Amendments in the Bill of Rights directly related to the power divide between the states and the federal government. They reiterate that the states have the bulk of the power.

In fact, one of the best ways to reduce the cost of health insurance is allow companies to compete across state lines and tort reform. Which can and needs to be done at the state level.

The federal goverment has never done anything well nor has it ever saved a dime. Quit being a sheep looking to be taken care of by people who see you as nothing but a pawn.

Or you can keep amusing me with your idiotic justications for more government control. Your choice, both are a win for me!

"The government has never done anything well" is another popular Conservative talking point

That is why they invest billions into being elected to that "government" they despise so much......

It's almost as if they want a chance to show us all how government never does anything well.....when they are in charge......

Maybe they should stay out of government

The government does a lot of things very well.

For example, the internet. The very medium that far right winger is using to spew it's lies and propaganda.

The US government invented and established the internet. It was used by the government agencies, universities and engineers mainly to communicate.

In the 1990s it was deregulated to become what it is today.

Then there's NASA, FEMA and so may government agencies that do a very necessary and good job.

I suggest to all who don't believe that government does anything well to stop using the internet, stop drinking water, stop using electricity, stop using our roads. Don't call the fire department when your house is on fire. Don't call 9-11 when you have a life threatening situation. Don't use the skills such as reading, math and reasoning that you learned from the government schools you attended.

I can go on but I'm sure all intelligent people get the point.

 

[jbrownson0831]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

That's truly a shame. The Court is a joke. I just hope Manchin keeps his finger in the dam. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

People can get any healthcare plan they want, there are several and all you have to do is choose one and pay the premiums. Obammycare makes us pay for the dregs to get free healthcare and that is not right.

 

[jbrownson0831]

It was just announced that the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 on Obamacare saying the states don't have standing on this case.

So Obamacare stays.

For now.

Supreme Court spares Obamacare from GOP challenge

Two of Trump's three appointees, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, joined the majority opinion, while the third, Neil Gorsuch, dissented.

www.nbcnews.com

That's truly a shame. The Court is a joke. I just hope Manchin keeps his finger in the dam. Otherwise, we're all fucked.

I think it's a very good thing that we still have Obamacare.

In fact, I think we should do away with insurance companies for health care.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

We have some people who can have health care without being bankrupted or have insurance premiums that aren't astronomical. It's not fair that some people have proper insurance that is affordable and others don't here in the United States.

Our health care system is a total mess.

Most people in America can't stand insurance companies controlling what health care they can have and denying to pay medical bills.

and you think Medicare is any different?...

Anybody holding up signs like this demanding any healthcare plan Republicans proposed??View attachment 502413

For Medicare to be just like private insurance companies -- there sure seems to be a lot of historically popular bipartisan support for it over the last 60 or so years....

Why, exactly should ANYONE in Congress propose giving the federal goverment more power? Why do you support a bigger, more bloated government with the power to control even your health? Why would any red blooded patriot support creating an even bigger government directly against the founding principle of limited government? Of federalism?

It's truly astounding how narrow minded you leftist twits are. "We want free stuff - that really costs us far more both financially and in our physical health - and other stupid, selfish people like us want "free" stuff paid for by others. What freebies do you have to offer? None? Then you fail!"

You tried to prove the superiority of the left's policies and all you did was prove you're a government leech.

So you acknowledge that when Trump campaigned on having a better and more affordable healthcare plan that would cover everyone....he was just bullshitting...got it...

Tell you what.....every Republican running for office should campaign next time on repealing Medicare....I'm sure it would be a winning campaign promise...

Considering that the America First movement and the Convention of States are exploding in popularity, and that many are starting to actual read what is written in our founding documents, yes. I do think it would be wise to run on giving states back the power the federal goverment took from them.

The states created the federal goverment. Not the other way around. There are not one, but TWO Amendments in the Bill of Rights directly related to the power divide between the states and the federal government. They reiterate that the states have the bulk of the power.

In fact, one of the best ways to reduce the cost of health insurance is allow companies to compete across state lines and tort reform. Which can and needs to be done at the state level.

The federal goverment has never done anything well nor has it ever saved a dime. Quit being a sheep looking to be taken care of by people who see you as nothing but a pawn.

Or you can keep amusing me with your idiotic justications for more government control. Your choice, both are a win for me!

"The government has never done anything well" is another popular Conservative talking point

That is why they invest billions into being elected to that "government" they despise so much......

It's almost as if they want a chance to show us all how government never does anything well.....when they are in charge......

Maybe they should stay out of government

The government does a lot of things very well.

For example, the internet. The very medium that far right winger is using to spew it's lies and propaganda.

The US government invented and established the internet. It was used by the government agencies, universities and engineers mainly to communicate.

In the 1990s it was deregulated to become what it is today.

Then there's NASA, FEMA and so may government agencies that do a very necessary and good job.

I suggest to all who don't believe that government does anything well to stop using the internet, stop drinking water, stop using electricity, stop using our roads. Don't call the fire department when your house is on fire. Don't call 9-11 when you have a life threatening situation. Don't use the skills such as reading, math and reasoning that you learned from the government schools you attended.

I can go on but I'm sure all intelligent people get the point.

We get the point that some things are done well by the government, others are not. Like taking away individual choices or making me pay for a dregs healthcare.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Republicans and Conservatives lose again.

No. Working Americans loose again. The only people who like Obamacare are those the rest of us are paying for.

If Renquist had still been alive and Chief Justice of the SC, Obamacare would have been kicked to the curb. Right where it belongs.

So, please thrill us with your idea of "something better."

HC should be kicked back to the private sector where it belongs. Check the Constitution. You won't find health care anywhere in the Constitution.

You won't find lots of things in the Constitution.......but that is an extremely childish justification for not wanting more people to have health care....

But anyhoo....The first federal public healthcare law was signed in 1798....by one of those "Founders" you love to worship.....was he a socialist marxist??

You want health care then you buy it like everyone else does. You want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

You want health care then you buy it like everyone else does. You want to pay for someone else's health care then be my guest.

You pay for other peoples’ healthcare all the time. When you are enrolled in a plan, you become part of a risk group made up of mostly healthy people. It’s the premiums of those healthy people that pay for those in the group who are sick. The group is formulated and managed by the insurer to guarantee coverage for all in the group and a profit for themselves.