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Supreme Court Rules 7-2 on Obamacare

Orangecat

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You must be a very good Big Government nanny-State bootlicker for your right-wing, alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.
Jesus Christ, you're an imbecile who just parrots shit when you've run out of intellectual bandwidth. Dismissed.
 

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I've spent way too much time discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA. It's corporatist shitshow throughout.

But, outside it's corruption and the blatant violation of Constitutional limits on government, the ACA does not have broad consensus. It was passed on strict partisan lines and will be a political football going forward, constantly torn and twisted as successive administrations get their hands on it.

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

The day politicians started taking bribes from insurance companies, is the day the government was in charge of our healthcare. The only healthcare system in the industrialized world that bankrupts its citizens for getting sick. Which means that anything is better than the current healthcare system.
 

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You agree with big-gov bootlickers? Quelle surprise.

Explain to the rest of us how you organize and keep running a nation of 335 million people, over an an expanse of country more than 3000 miles wide, with global economic interests world wide, and a standing army of over 1 million volunteers, with a small government.

Are you prepared to give up your military, or your global economic interests, in the name of shrinking your government?
 

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Explain to the rest of us how you organize and keep running a nation of 335 million people, over an an expanse of country more than 3000 miles wide, with global economic interests world wide, and a standing army of over 1 million volunteers, with a small government.

Are you prepared to give up your military, or your global economic interests, in the name of shrinking your government?
thats why we 50 separate states you foreign idiot,,,

now go mind your own business,,
 

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This is a sad day for America........

Not just because 2 of the newest conservative appointments betrayed America and Jesus....

But because now we are going to have to keep hearing Republican candidates campaign on repealing and replacing Obamacare for 10 more years.........

If a bozo like Obama was able to get a healthcare plan put in place during his first couple of years....why can't republicans do it in over 10 plus years??

Those Dems are pretty crafty...

Trump said he was going to replace it with something much better.

We’re still waiting. Anytime now.
 

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Explain to the rest of us how you organize and keep running a nation of 335 million people, over an an expanse of country more than 3000 miles wide, with global economic interests world wide, and a standing army of over 1 million volunteers, with a small government.
Liberty and personal responsibility. You might have to look those up.

Are you prepared to give up your military, or your global economic interests, in the name of shrinking your government?
I'm prepared to shrink them along with the rest of the $28,500,000,000,000-in-debt federal bureaucracy.
Think more, emote less, please.
 

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I've spent way too much time discussing the merits, or lack thereof, of ACA. It's corporatist shitshow throughout.

But, outside it's corruption and the blatant violation of Constitutional limits on government, the ACA does not have broad consensus. It was passed on strict partisan lines and will be a political football going forward, constantly torn and twisted as successive administrations get their hands on it.

You've managed to put politicians in charge of our health care. Congrats.

Every nation in the first world has put politicians in charge of their health care, and eliminated the insurance companies, which are currently taking about 25% of your health care dollars, both with their overhead and profit, and by having your doctors and hospitals having to employ large numbers of people to handle their billings and collections.

Those of us with socialized medicine are sending half what the USA is spending, and we all had much better outcomes in the pandemic, at a substantially reduced cost.

The USA lost a year and a half off your already declining life expectancy in 2020. That's the 5th year in a row that life expectancy has declined. The proof of your health care system is that all the rest of the first world is seeing our life expectancy rise, while yours is going backwards.
 

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Liberty and personal responsibility. You might have to look those up.


I'm prepared to shrink them along with the rest of the $28,500,000,000,000-in-debt federal bureaucracy.
Think more, emote less, please.

Well those things have never worked well for your so good luck with that.

Good for you. Getting rid of the military. What are those 1 million plus soldiers going to do for a living, once they're unemployed, along with the military industrial complex. Are they just going to become roving bands of angry hungry people who have been trained to kill?
 

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Well those things have never worked well for your so good luck with that.
They've worked great for me. You wouldn't understand because you're a weak collectivist drone who can't excel without stealing from others.

Getting rid of the military. What are those 1 million plus soldiers going to do for a living, once they're unemployed, along with the military industrial complex. Are they just going to become roving bands of angry hungry people who have been trained to kill?
I didn't advocate getting rid of the military. Try reading for comprehension.
There are millions of ex-military folk in this country who move along just fine without becoming roving bands of killers. STFU with your paranoid emo nonsense.
 

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Every nation in the first world has put politicians in charge of their health care ...

Not all, but most have. And those that have, have made a mistake. There was a time when most "first world" countries were theocracies. They thought it was the way to go. We got over that. We can get over this.

.... and eliminated the insurance companies, which are currently taking about 25% of your health care dollars, both with their overhead and profit, and by having your doctors and hospitals having to employ large numbers of people to handle their billings and collections.

In the US, neither party wants to get rid of insurance companies. Pretty much every "reform" plan has them front row at the feeding trough.

Those of us with socialized medicine are sending half what the USA is spending, and we all had much better outcomes in the pandemic, at a substantially reduced cost.

Good for you!

The USA lost a year and a half off your already declining life expectancy in 2020. That's the 5th year in a row that life expectancy has declined. The proof of your health care system is that all the rest of the first world is seeing our life expectancy rise, while yours is going backwards.

Horseshit. It's proof our nation is so politically divided we can't even respond to an emergency without fucking up. Socialized medicine wouldn't have made that better. More likely it would have made it worse - something else for the partisans to bicker about.
 

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Not all, but most have. And those that have, have made a mistake. There was a time when most "first world" countries were theocracies. They thought it was the way to go. We got over that. We can get over this.



In the US, neither party wants to get rid of insurance companies. Pretty much every "reform" plan has them front row at the feeding trough.



Good for you!



Horseshit. It's proof our nation is so politically divided we can't even respond to an emergency without fucking up. Socialized medicine wouldn't have made that better. More likely it would have made it worse - something else for the partisans to bicker about.

You don't have a national system. Every hospital corporation is a stand alone unit, with no planning or coordination. Nowhere was more apparent than in your covid response, and it's inability to determine what was needed.

As for "both sides want insurance", that is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. The Medical Industrial Complex has lied about "socialized medicine" and promoted the US system as "the best in the world". If your system was the "best in the world", you wouldn't have the highest rate of maternal death in childbirth, and the highest rate of infant mortality, in the first world. You're life expectancy would have declined for the past 5 years running.

Lots of people in the USA want "single payer", but doctors and hospitals oppose it.
 

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You don't have a national system. Every hospital corporation is a stand alone unit, with no planning or coordination. Nowhere was more apparent than in your covid response, and it's inability to determine what was needed.
Yep. That's a true fact. For now. Lot's of people are trying to nationalize it though - to put it under political control. Partisan political control. What a fucking mess that would be.
As for "both sides want insurance", that is COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
Well, they've had the opportunity, and declined. ACA sure as hell doesn't do it. Medicare For All wouldn't do it. Frankly, I can't imagine the US Congress coming up with anything that actually cuts out the insurance companies. Maybe you're just not that familiar with US politics.
 

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