St. Louis couple defends their house from protestors, with guns. Do you support "stand your ground laws"?

[meaner gene]

Someone in the crowd who is NOT chanting anything or threatening anything is not culpable to the actions of those around him.

When the homeowners pointed their loaded weapons into the crowd, any "innocent" person in the crowd could stand his ground and shoot first.

No they cannot because they were the aggressors. SYG does not cover aggression. SYG covers not having to withdraw from a threatening situation. They approached the home owners and their property. They were not threatened, they were threatening them. Furthermore, they returned Friday to advance that aggression.

Read it again. Someone who was part of the peaceful crowd can't be lumped in with those who broke the law. And if the homeowner point their gun at them (remember they're one of the innocent ones) can they stand their ground and shoot first. Since they have a lethal weapon pointed at them.

 

[freyasman]

571.030. 1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner;

They didn't express anger or threat, they expressed fear.

Point a loaded gun at a person is a threat. PERIOD.

Depends on the totality of the circumstances, actually.

 

[Mac-7]

Someone who was part of the peaceful crowd can't be lumped in with those who broke the law.

Like the man said, if you sleep with dogs you will wake up with fleas

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Someone in the crowd who is NOT chanting anything or threatening anything is not culpable to the actions of those around him.

When the homeowners pointed their loaded weapons into the crowd, any "innocent" person in the crowd could stand his ground and shoot first.

No they cannot because they were the aggressors. SYG does not cover aggression. SYG covers not having to withdraw from a threatening situation. They approached the home owners and their property. They were not threatened, they were threatening them. Furthermore, they returned Friday to advance that aggression.

Read it again. Someone who was part of the peaceful crowd can't be lumped in with those who broke the law. And if the homeowner point their gun at them (remember they're one of the innocent ones) can they stand their ground and shoot first. Since they have a lethal weapon pointed at them.

As I explained, no they cannot. They approached the couple and their property. They have no SYG rights because they were not faced with a threat that came to them. They presented the threat.

If I address a bad motorist, and use my firearm, I am breaking the law. If I am in my vehicle and approached by an aggressive motorist, I can use deadly force. That's the law.

 

[meaner gene]

Point a loaded gun at a person is a threat. PERIOD.

No. not period. If I'm sitting on my front porch and pointing a firearm at passing cars, that is a threat. If people are approaching and trespassing my property with threats of violence to me and my family, then pointing my firearm at them is in self-defense.

Them is limited to those who actually violated the law. Any of "them" who did not, are not legal targets, and pointing your gun at them is a crime.

What would you call a person walking through the crowd onto the persons property attempting to deliver the mail? And they point their guns at the mailman?

That's a crime both state and federal.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Point a loaded gun at a person is a threat. PERIOD.

No. not period. If I'm sitting on my front porch and pointing a firearm at passing cars, that is a threat. If people are approaching and trespassing my property with threats of violence to me and my family, then pointing my firearm at them is in self-defense.

Them is limited to those who actually violated the law. Any of "them" who did not, are not legal targets, and pointing your gun at them is a crime.

What would you call a person walking through the crowd onto the persons property attempting to deliver the mail? And they point their guns at the mailman?

That's a crime both state and federal.

A mailman does not present a threat. A mob does, especially when they are screaming and yelling their intentions. That is a threat, and the family reserves every legal right to react to such a threat.

 

[meaner gene]

Someone who was part of the peaceful crowd can't be lumped in with those who broke the law.

Like the man said, if you sleep with dogs you will wake up with fleas

Trump was in the company of felons, like Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn.

Does that make Trump guilty?

 

[meaner gene]

What would you call a person walking through the crowd onto the persons property attempting to deliver the mail? And they point their guns at the mailman?

That's a crime both state and federal.

A mailman does not present a threat. A mob does, especially when they are screaming and yelling their intentions. That is a threat, and the family reserves every legal right to react to such a threat.

Once more, the only one's presenting a "threat" are those that break the law. If a woman with a stroller is in the crowd can you shoot the baby?

 

[Mac-7]

Does that make Trump guilty?

You tell me

the left has been trying to convict trump of something since the day he came down the elevator in trump tower

 

[freyasman]

Someone who was part of the peaceful crowd can't be lumped in with those who broke the law.

Like the man said, if you sleep with dogs you will wake up with fleas

Trump was in the company of felons, like Michael Cohen, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn.

Does that make Trump guilty?

You are working awful hard to try and make someone guilty of something...... anything, aren't you?

 

[meaner gene]

Does that make Trump guilty?

You tell me

the left has been trying to convict trump of something since the day he came down the elevator in trump tower

As you said, if you lay down with dogs you wake up with fleas. If you hang around felons, (think conspiracy) you should go to jail with them.

 

[meaner gene]

You are working awful hard to try and make someone guilty of something...... anything, aren't you?

Break the law, go to jail. Rule of law.

 

[Mac-7]

you should go to jail with them.

That may be how it works in lib la la land but trump had nothing to do with their illegal activities

and in the case of Flynn the charges were bogus

 

[zaangalewa]

Missouri is a "stand your ground" state. People have the right to defend their home and property, period. ...

Arrest both lawyers and throw them into prison. No one has any right to threaten others with guns, who use their right of free opinion

1. The Law and 2nd Amendment says that the homeowners have every right to defend their home and property, read the links on "stand your ground" and the "castle doctrine".
2. The protesters broke into private property, were trespassing, and threatened the homeowners.
3. You're wrong, this is the US, not the EU.

Arrest both criminals - except they acted on reason of self-defense, what I doubt. I think they demonstrated with weapons in their hands for the own opinion and against the opinion of others. That's no way to discuss. That's criminal.

What crime did they commit? Maybe in your country it's a crime, but over here it's a right.

Do you like to wait until someone starts to fire with a gun or an assault rifle into a crowd of demonstrating people? That's mad! How long had he needed with his war weapon to kill how many people within what short time span?

 

[meaner gene]

That may be how it works in lib la la land but trump had nothing to do with their illegal activities

and in the case of Flynn the charges were bogus

Trump (aka individual 1) paid Michael Cohen to commit a felony.

 

[zaangalewa]

Sure you can, the criminal is the one committing a crime.

Does that include the crime of brandishing?

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This picture shows very well that both persons are disqualified to use weapons. Even in a safe mode no one holds a barrel direction anyone, who could be unintentionally wounded. If a nervous policeman had shot them down, then this would be easily understandable.

 

[Mac-7]

Trump (aka individual 1) paid Michael Cohen to commit a felony.

What felony?

 

[zaangalewa]

Well tell the DA that then.

It wasn't a crime in that case.
They had a mob trespassing on their property.

Title 18.2. Crimes and Offenses Generally

law.lis.virginia.gov

§ 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured.

They are not authorized to use deadly force against outdoor trespass, therefore there is no authorization to brandish a weapon they are prohibited from using.

It's not my problem.

What is not your problem? You said "It wasn't a crime" - now you see it is a crime.

 

[meaner gene]

Trump (aka individual 1) paid Michael Cohen to commit a felony.

What felony?

One of the ones Michael Cohen got three years for.

 

[meaner gene]

It's not my problem.

What is not your problem? You said "It wasn't a crime" - now you see it is a crime.

FYI. I corrected the post to use missouri law, which makes it a crime anywhere, not just in public. And involves pointing a weapon in a threatening manner. Such as at someone with it loaded and with your finger on the trigger.