Solar panels and sheep

[HikerGuy83]

Dark Side To Solar? More Reports Tie Panel Production To Toxic Pollution

A major new study of the economics of solar, published in Harvard Business Review, finds that the waste produced by solar panels will make electricity from solar four times more expensive than the world’s leading energy analysts thought.

www.forbes.com

More that points to the liars and perverts who push this garbage.

“If early replacements occur as predicted by our statistical model,” they write, solar panels “can produce 50 times more waste in just four years than [International Renewable Energy Agency] IRENA anticipates.”

 

[HikerGuy83]

Storage lol! GW,, TW, MW for big cities? Storage? In what? Are you sure?

Any little they generate on Solar oil daytime is used up if it is working that day. Lol!

Now you got millions of panels headed to the landfill you green dope.

I just referenced an article that talks about all the toxics associated with them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Solar with storage costs the same at midnight as in the daytime.

You can't show that to be the case, anywhere.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A bunch of dumbfuckery in that post. Seems that there is a little matter of the loss of Russian natural gas that has forced rapid build out of renewable, meanwhile paying for for natural gas from other sources. And in South Australia, where that is not the case, and renewables and storage have been rapidly developed, the grid is not only far more robust, but the wholesale price is significantly reduced.

In South Australia, wholesale electricity prices declined in the fourth quarter of 2024. The average price was $53 per megawatt-hour, down from $114/MWh in the previous quarter and $80/MWh in the same quarter of 2022. For the full year, prices fell 44 per cent1. The falls indicate that the global gas price shocks are easing, and that renewable energy is driving down costs in South Australia2. The administered prices cap wholesale prices at $600 per MWh, and South Australia prices fell 32% in 20243.

SA records nation’s biggest fall in power prices

www.premier.sa.gov.au

And in South Australia, where that is not the case, and renewables and storage have been rapidly developed, the grid is not only far more robust, but the wholesale price is significantly reduced.

Does the government subsidize green utilities?

 

[Old Rocks]

Coal plants get shut down all the time. They have finite life spans.

So do solar installations.

The only people out there talking about how long they last are the perverts selling them.

Hmmmmmmmmmm....................................

"A coal plant in South Texas will shut down and convert to a solar + battery electricity generation facility, with the help of a $1.4 billion grant from the US Department of Agriculture meant to help clean energy while saving rural jobs.


The grant will go to San Miguel Electric Cooperative Inc (SMECI) headquartered in Atascosa County, Texas, south of San Antonio, and serving 340,000 customers 47 South Texas counties.

SMECI has operated a mine mouth lignite-fired coal plant (named due to its proximity to the mine that supplies it) since 1982. The plant is in the town of Christine, Texas, population 337.

But that coal-fired plant is one of the dirtiest in Texas. It’s the fourth-largest mercury polluter in the state, producing around 12 times as much mercury as is allowed by a new EPA rule.


But not only that, the site’s capacity will see a significant upgrade. The current coal plant can produce up to 410 megawatts of power, but the upcoming solar plant will be capable of 600 MW – nearly half again as much as its previous capacity.

And pairing this solar power with grid-tied batteries will help to make the grid more resilient, too. Thermal power plants tend to take time to turn off and on, meaning it’s harder to manage unexpected peaks and troughs in electricity demand – plus, equipment at the plants tends to wear when it heats up and cools down a lot, contributing to the high costs of coal power. There have been numerous studies showing that new solar plants are cheaper than old coal – and that’s even ignoring externalities."

One of Texas' dirtiest coal plants will swap to solar with help from US grant

One of Texas' 15 coal plants will shut down and swap to solar + battery storage, with a billion-dollar USDA grant to help rural jobs.

electrek.co

 

[Old Rocks]

And in South Australia, where that is not the case, and renewables and storage have been rapidly developed, the grid is not only far more robust, but the wholesale price is significantly reduced.

Does the government subsidize green utilities?

Does the US government subsidize fossil fuels? Are you going to be honest answering that, or tell the usual "Conservative" lies?

 

[westwall]

LOL Far from cheaper. Solar and wind are the least expensive and most sustainable way to generate electricity. About half the cost of fossil fuels, and way cheaper that super expensive nuclear.

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Wind and solar power half the cost of coal and gas, one-third the cost of nuclear, says Lazard

Latest levelised cost of energy report from US investment firm Lazard finds large-scale solar and wind significantly cheaper than coal and gas. Nuclear, meanwhile, just keeps getting more expensive.

reneweconomy.com.au

How is Ivanpah doing there, skippy?

 

[westwall]

Answer the question skippy. How's Ivanpah doing.....

 

[Old Rocks]

How is Ivanpah doing there, skippy?

Ivanpah was a failed experiment. Planned when solar was more expensive, and the planners failed to predict the maintenance. However, now solar is the least costly form of generation, and, like wind, you can use the land for other purposes while generating power. You have no coal ash ponds pouring mercury and cobalt into the water table, or overrunning their dams and poisoning whole watersheds. Now if you really want to debate why solar and wind are going to be major winners for utilities, you can stop being an asshole and throwing out red herrings.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Does the US government subsidize fossil fuels? Are you going to be honest answering that, or tell the usual "Conservative" lies?

Feel free to list the fossil fuel subsidies.
Start with ones like the $1.4 billion handout you listed above.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ivanpah was a failed experiment. Planned when solar was more expensive, and the planners failed to predict the maintenance. However, now solar is the least costly form of generation, and, like wind, you can use the land for other purposes while generating power. You have no coal ash ponds pouring mercury and cobalt into the water table, or overrunning their dams and poisoning whole watersheds. Now if you really want to debate why solar and wind are going to be major winners for utilities, you can stop being an asshole and throwing out red herrings.

However, now solar is the least costly form of generation,

Pretty damn costly at midnight. Weird.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Why is anyone arguing with the buffoon Old Rocks? The clown doesn't own solar panels and EV's, yet he preaches as though he/she invented the god damn things. He's/she's just the cut and paste solar panel and EV champion of snippets off the internet.

 

[westwall]

Ivanpah was a failed experiment. Planned when solar was more expensive, and the planners failed to predict the maintenance. However, now solar is the least costly form of generation, and, like wind, you can use the land for other purposes while generating power. You have no coal ash ponds pouring mercury and cobalt into the water table, or overrunning their dams and poisoning whole watersheds. Now if you really want to debate why solar and wind are going to be major winners for utilities, you can stop being an asshole and throwing out red herrings.

Ivanpah was a tested system. It is the ONLY solar system that is legitimately scalable.

Try again.

It failed because solar is hard. Hard and expensive. If you had a solar system for over 30 years, as I have, you would understand.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ivanpah was a tested system. It is the ONLY solar system that is legitimately scalable.

Try again.

It failed because solar is hard. Hard and expensive. If you had a solar system for over 30 years, as I have, you would understand.

They sure scaled their money losses.

 

[westwall]

They sure scaled their money losses.

Boy didn't they!

 

[HikerGuy83]

with the help of a $1.4 billion grant from the US Department of Agriculture meant to help clean energy while saving rural jobs.

Hmmmmm.........

 

[Sunsettommy]

Hmmmmm.........

Meanwhile the fool ignores past colossal failures such as Solyndra which still failed despite a $500,000,000 guarantee loan.

Here is a helpful list of the many bankruptcies he will ignore:

The Complete List of Solar Bankruptcies and Business Closures​

LINK

 

[elektra]

Exactly, the solar farm was built and paid for and now it's all free energy.

Speaking of twats like Apu, try typing @ab and see whose name doesn't come up.

Ding, the solar farm you are speaking of is not producing electricity. The solar farm is now a liability

Ding, it is not free electricity because every watt if and when it is produced is paid for by my tax money. That watt of electricity is then sold to me. I pay for every watt twice but ding calls that, free?

No electricity produced, by facilities costing trillions, ding calls that free and good?

 

[ding]

Ding, the solar farm you are speaking of is not producing electricity. The solar farm is now a liability

Ding, it is not free electricity because every watt if and when it is produced is paid for by my tax money. That watt of electricity is then sold to me. I pay for every watt twice but ding calls that, free?

No electricity produced, by facilities costing trillions, ding calls that free and good?

No shit. I am aware of that. That was my point. I'm pretty sure everyone else but you got my point.

Maybe next time don't parse out the part that makes it obvious.

Why shut this farm now just because new installations are more efficient. Build those and keep producing all that free energy from the solar farm that's been built and paid for.

UNLESS OF COURSE that energy isn't free like all of those twats like Apu have been claiming.

 

[elektra]

No shit. I am aware of that. That was my point. I'm pretty sure everyone else but you got my point.

Maybe next time don't parse out the part that makes it obvious.

Oh, okay, let me try again. ding-a-ling

Exactly, the solar farm was built and paid for and now it's all free energy. Why shut this farm now just because new installations are more efficient. Build those and keep producing all that free energy from the solar farm that's been built and paid for.

No, ding-a-ling. It is not free, tax dollars pay for every watt produced then the corporation resells that watt to me. Technically they sell it to the electric company that then sells it to me.

Ding, now you claim it is all free energy? How so? First and foremost it can not be called energy, nor free, when we cant have the electricity when we want it.

You repeat your theme that solar is producing electricity. Last I checked, the last 12 hours across the usa produced no solar electricity.

Solar is a commercial industrial failure ding-a-ling. Walk back what you stated all you like