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Batteries currently face limitations in providing sufficient energy storage for renewable sources like wind and solar, as they typically store energy for only short durations (one to four hours). This makes them inadequate for meeting long-term energy demands, especially during periods of low renewable output.

Even small batteries have a 16 year life span.

Jackery Solar Generator HomePower 3600 Plus​

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Jackery 3600 Plus is a 3.6 kWh solar generator for home backup, RVs, and off-grid living, powering essentials for days with clean solar energy.

Keep Your Home Running During Power Outages​

When the lights go out, the last thing you need is more to worry about. 3584Wh capacity (expandable to 21kWh) delivers 15hrs to 9days of backup power. 3600W output runs essential home appliances with ease.

16 Years of Reliable Power​

EV-grade LiFePO₄ battery with 6,000 cycles. The same technology trusted in electric vehicles, delivering dependable backup for up to 16 years — for just 30 cents a day. Backed by a 5-year warranty.

 

[80zephyr]

Even small batteries have a 16 year life span.

Jackery Solar Generator HomePower 3600 Plus​

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Jackery
https://www.jackery.com › products › jackery-solar-gen...




Jackery 3600 Plus is a 3.6 kWh solar generator for home backup, RVs, and off-grid living, powering essentials for days with clean solar energy.

Keep Your Home Running During Power Outages​

When the lights go out, the last thing you need is more to worry about. 3584Wh capacity (expandable to 21kWh) delivers 15hrs to 9days of backup power. 3600W output runs essential home appliances with ease.

16 Years of Reliable Power​

EV-grade LiFePO₄ battery with 6,000 cycles. The same technology trusted in electric vehicles, delivering dependable backup for up to 16 years — for just 30 cents a day. Backed by a 5-year warranty.

They only store enough energy to run a grid for one to four hours. Two days of rain will shut off the lights.

 

[Old Rocks]

Theoretical maximum efficiency is 33.7% you anti science boob. You've been yapping about solar power for YEARS yet you have ZERO personal experience with them.

How about you shut your pie hole till you actually have some real world experience.

You dumb senile old ass, try to keep up with present technology.

34.85%
The maximum efficiency for perovskite-silicon solar panels has been significantly improved over the years. As of 2025, the highest certified efficiency for perovskite-silicon tandem solar cells is 34.85%, set by Longi in April 2025. This efficiency surpasses the previous record of 34.6% set by Longi in 2024. The theoretical maximum efficiency for perovskite-silicon tandem solar cells is over 43%, which is significantly higher than the 33.7% limit for single-junction solar cells. These advancements are a result of continuous research and development efforts, including the optimization of deposition processes, introduction of high-efficiency defect passivation materials, and development of high-quality interface passivation structures.
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And this is just one of the present solar chemistries being worked on. https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=8160...Gljb24tdGFuZGVtLXB2LXJlY29yZC11cGRhdGVz&ntb=1

 

[HikerGuy83]

Dumb ass, that is about 3 inches of wet snow, already sliding off the solar panels. You silly asses destroy your own nonsensical talking points.

And it's such a bright sunny day that once the snow comes off the panels will start to......

Oh wait.

 

[Old Rocks]

Congratulations three months per year in Portland when you see the sun you dumb OX.

Dont try me panty-sniffer, I've lived in Eugene-Elmira (Corvallis 40 mi north?). I know all about it.

And you are a liar. We get plenty of sunshine in all seasons. And even on heavy overcast days the panels produce power.

10-25%

How​

Solar panels typically produce 10-25% of their rated output during heavy overcast conditions. This reduction in power generation is due to the limited light availability, which is more affected by the density of the clouds than by the temperature. In regions with frequent cloud cover, solar panels can still generate sufficient power to meet household energy demands and deliver substantial utility bill reductions.
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Eugene and Salem get 157 days a year of sunshine, Portland gets 142. And many days of overcast are light overcast, so we get a lot more than three months of sunshine a year. And many of those cloudy days are light overcast. And some types of clouds even increase the efficiency of solar panels;

Impact of Cloudy Conditions on Solar Panel Performance​

Solar panels rely on sunlight to generate electricity, and the level of sunlight they receive directly affects their efficiency. Therefore, it’s reasonable to assume that cloudy conditions would negatively impact the performance of solar panels. However, this is not entirely the case. Solar panels can still function under cloudy conditions, albeit at a reduced efficiency.

Clouds can block and diffuse sunlight, which means that less light reaches the solar panels. While this does decrease their output, it doesn’t completely stop it. The exact reduction in efficiency can vary based on the thickness and type of cloud cover, but generally, solar panels can produce between 10% to 25% of their maximum output on a cloudy day.

Interestingly, certain types of clouds can actually increase the efficiency of solar panels. Thin, high-altitude clouds can scatter sunlight in a way that increases the intensity of the light hitting the solar panels, leading to increased output. Similarly, the edge of a cloud can create a “brightening effect” where the sunlight is magnified, resulting in brief periods of higher-than-normal solar output.

In conclusion, while cloudy conditions do impact the performance of solar panels, they do not render them ineffective. Solar panels can still produce electricity under these conditions, and in some cases, the cloud cover can even enhance their performance. This makes solar panels a viable source of renewable energy, even in regions with frequent cloud cover.

How efficient are solar panels in indirect sunlight or cloudy conditions? - Gorilla

The transformation of solar energy into usable electricity has been a breakthrough in the sphere of renewable energy. However, a common concern that often arises is: how efficient are solar panels in indirect sunlight or cloudy conditions? This article aims to delve into this query and provide...

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[Old Rocks]

They only store enough energy to run a grid for one to four hours. Two days of rain will shut off the lights.

There are plenty of home batteries out there that can be used together to increase the amount of stored power.

 

[Old Rocks]

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The waste of subsidies and Tax breaks continues.​

The photo shows the big damage well.

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Tornado Levels Billion-Dollar Solar Farm, But The Coal Plant Didn’t Flinch​

by Energy Bad Boys and Mitch Rolling

March 17, 2026

Excerpt:

On Tuesday, March 10th, an EF-1 tornado destroyed the Dunns Bridge Solar I and II facilities owned by the Northern Indiana Public Service Company (NIPSCO). [some emphasis, links added]



The facilities, located outside of Wheatfield, Indiana, had 2.4 million solar panels, totaling 700 megawatts (MW) of power capacity, and reportedly cost $1 billion to construct—a little over $1,400 per kilowatt (kW).

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And the cost of a nuclear plant?

"The cost per kWh for a nuclear facility can vary significantly based on several factors, including construction costs, fuel costs, and operational expenses.

• Construction Costs: Initial capital expenditures can range from $6,000 to $9,000 per kilowatt of capacity, which translates to multi-billion-dollar investments for large plants.
  
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• Fuel Costs: While uranium is relatively inexpensive, it accounts for only about 3% of the total levelized cost at a price of approximately $50/lb U3O8.
  
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• Operating Costs: Operating costs are relatively low compared to fossil fuels, with nuclear power plants being cost-competitive with fossil fuels when capital costs are between $2,000 and $3,000/kW.
  
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• Waste Disposal and Decommissioning: These costs are typically included in the overall operating costs and can be significant, especially considering the long lifespan of nuclear facilities.
  
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• And you are enthusiastic about $9000 per kwh and a very long construction time versus $1400 per kwh and a short construction time. LOL!!!

 

[Old Rocks]

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The waste of subsidies and Tax breaks continues.​

The photo shows the big damage well.

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Tornado Levels Billion-Dollar Solar Farm, But The Coal Plant Didn’t Flinch​

by Energy Bad Boys and Mitch Rolling

March 17, 2026

Excerpt:

On Tuesday, March 10th, an EF-1 tornado destroyed the Dunns Bridge Solar I and II facilities owned by the Northern Indiana Public Service Company (NIPSCO). [some emphasis, links added]



The facilities, located outside of Wheatfield, Indiana, had 2.4 million solar panels, totaling 700 megawatts (MW) of power capacity, and reportedly cost $1 billion to construct—a little over $1,400 per kilowatt (kW).

LINK

And what does it cost to build a coal fired plant;

"A new coal power plant in the United States costs roughly $3,700 to $4,000 per kilowatt of capacity before financing, which translates to somewhere between $1.8 billion and $4 billion or more for a typical large-scale facility (500 MW to 1,000 MW). That range widens significantly once you factor in carbon capture equipment, pollution controls, financing costs, and the region where the plant is built. Beyond construction, coal plants carry substantial ongoing fuel and maintenance expenses that accumulate over decades of operation."

How Much Does a Coal Power Plant Cost to Build and Run?

A breakdown of what coal power plants actually cost, from construction and pollution controls to ongoing operations and eventual decommissioning.

scienceinsights.org

So it you could replace that solar farm at least three times for the cost of one coal fired plant. Not only that, a solar farm built with hurricanes in mind survived one of those and continued supplying the community that build it with power when everyone else had no power after the hurricane.

Babcock Ranch's solar farm, the Babcock Ranch Solar Energy Center, survived Hurricane Ian and provided the community with power afterwards. The solar farm, which includes 687,000 solar panels, generated enough clean, renewable power to keep the town powered during the hurricane. The community's infrastructure, including underground power lines and flood-retaining ponds, was designed to withstand severe weather events, ensuring minimal damage and power availability. Babcock Ranch's success in maintaining power during Hurricane Ian is a testament to the effectiveness of renewable energy and smart planning in disaster preparedness and community resilience.

ASCE+3

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And the cost of a nuclear plant?

"The cost per kWh for a nuclear facility can vary significantly based on several factors, including construction costs, fuel costs, and operational expenses.

• Construction Costs: Initial capital expenditures can range from $6,000 to $9,000 per kilowatt of capacity, which translates to multi-billion-dollar investments for large plants.
  
  1
• Fuel Costs: While uranium is relatively inexpensive, it accounts for only about 3% of the total levelized cost at a price of approximately $50/lb U3O8.
  
  1
• Operating Costs: Operating costs are relatively low compared to fossil fuels, with nuclear power plants being cost-competitive with fossil fuels when capital costs are between $2,000 and $3,000/kW.
  
  1
• Waste Disposal and Decommissioning: These costs are typically included in the overall operating costs and can be significant, especially considering the long lifespan of nuclear facilities.
  
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• And you are enthusiastic about $9000 per kwh and a very long construction time versus $1400 per kwh and a short construction time. LOL!!!

If we streamline the process, with a few standard pre-approved designs and minimize pointless legal delays, nuclear plants can be built faster and much cheaper than current projections.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And what does it cost to build a coal fired plant;

"A new coal power plant in the United States costs roughly $3,700 to $4,000 per kilowatt of capacity before financing, which translates to somewhere between $1.8 billion and $4 billion or more for a typical large-scale facility (500 MW to 1,000 MW). That range widens significantly once you factor in carbon capture equipment, pollution controls, financing costs, and the region where the plant is built. Beyond construction, coal plants carry substantial ongoing fuel and maintenance expenses that accumulate over decades of operation."

How Much Does a Coal Power Plant Cost to Build and Run?

A breakdown of what coal power plants actually cost, from construction and pollution controls to ongoing operations and eventual decommissioning.

scienceinsights.org

So it you could replace that solar farm at least three times for the cost of one coal fired plant. Not only that, a solar farm built with hurricanes in mind survived one of those and continued supplying the community that build it with power when everyone else had no power after the hurricane.

Babcock Ranch's solar farm, the Babcock Ranch Solar Energy Center, survived Hurricane Ian and provided the community with power afterwards. The solar farm, which includes 687,000 solar panels, generated enough clean, renewable power to keep the town powered during the hurricane. The community's infrastructure, including underground power lines and flood-retaining ponds, was designed to withstand severe weather events, ensuring minimal damage and power availability. Babcock Ranch's success in maintaining power during Hurricane Ian is a testament to the effectiveness of renewable energy and smart planning in disaster preparedness and community resilience.
ASCE+3

That range widens significantly once you factor in carbon capture equipment

Yeah, factor in zero cost for stupid equipment we wouldn't be building.

 

[Southern Dad]

I’m not opposed to alternative energy but the juice has to be worth the squeeze. The plain truth is that solar and wind are the two least efficient ways to produce electricity that we have. If we want this country to move towards EVs we need to work towards more electricity production. Solar and wind are expensive, that’s why the government subsidized them.

 

[Sunsettommy]

And the cost of a nuclear plant?

"The cost per kWh for a nuclear facility can vary significantly based on several factors, including construction costs, fuel costs, and operational expenses.

• Construction Costs: Initial capital expenditures can range from $6,000 to $9,000 per kilowatt of capacity, which translates to multi-billion-dollar investments for large plants.
  
  1
• Fuel Costs: While uranium is relatively inexpensive, it accounts for only about 3% of the total levelized cost at a price of approximately $50/lb U3O8.
  
  1
• Operating Costs: Operating costs are relatively low compared to fossil fuels, with nuclear power plants being cost-competitive with fossil fuels when capital costs are between $2,000 and $3,000/kW.
  
  1
• Waste Disposal and Decommissioning: These costs are typically included in the overall operating costs and can be significant, especially considering the long lifespan of nuclear facilities.
  
  https://www.bing.com/search?q=what+is+the+cost+per+kwh+for+a+nuclear+facility&form=ANNTH1&refig=69c6c3e4320c4c079e576c962b52c055&pc=HCTS
• And you are enthusiastic about $9000 per kwh and a very long construction time versus $1400 per kwh and a short construction time. LOL!!!

You are so pathetic since they run 24/7 while your unicorn heavily subsidized/tax breaks intermittent power none at sundown for Solar and none for periods of time for wind.

Remove those subsidies and generous tax breaks and the intermittent low mass land eating bird and wild animal killing units suddenly stops being built.

 

[Sunsettommy]

That range widens significantly once you factor in carbon capture equipment

Yeah, factor in zero cost for stupid equipment we wouldn't be building.

The fool ignores that coal, nuclear, gas power producers have to be around to back up the erratic low mass, subsidy/tax breaks driven wildlife killing units thus greatly increase the cost.

 

[Sunsettommy]

People like old rocks who has a bad habit of ignoring large areas of this topic will find this article too much for him because it is rational and based on sound electrical engineering.

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Yet Another Reason Why Wind And Solar Electricity Generation Will Never Work To Run An Economy​

March 25, 2026/ Francis Menton
If you don’t like fossil fuels — and who does? — our betters in academia and environmental NGOs have the perfect answer: we can just get our energy in the form of electricity from the wind and sun. The fuel is abundant and free for the taking. The New York Times has reported that the cost of electricity generated from wind and sun is now lower than the cost of generation from fossil fuel sources. And even as we save money on electricity, we’ll be saving the planet! All the sociology and gender studies majors agree that we have a moral duty to switch our energy system away from fossil fuels to “clean and green” wind and solar electricity. Who could possibly be such a monster as to stand in the way?

At this website, I have devoted considerable attention to documenting major flaws in this narrative. In particular, I have written dozens of posts on the subject of the intermittency problem of wind and solar generation, which leads to a need for either full back-up at all times from another generation source, or alternatively for massive capacity of energy storage, in order to make a fully-functioning electricity system to power a grid without regular blackouts. As demonstrated in my Energy Storage Report of December 2022, providing sufficient energy storage in the form of batteries could multiply the cost of electricity from wind and sun by a factor of ten or more.

And it turns out that the intermittency problem is just one of the major issues with wind and solar generation that make those sources completely impractical and unaffordable to run an electrical grid. Another huge problem, which I have previously barely touched on here, is the problem of synchronization and inertia. My assumption is that nearly all readers will be almost completely unfamiliar with this issue, and with why this issue becomes an insurmountable problem as countries try to move to a predominantly wind/sun generation system. So let this post introduce you to the topic.

LINK

 

[Crick]

People like old rocks who has a bad habit of ignoring large areas of this topic will find this article too much for him because it is rational and based on sound electrical engineering.

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Yet Another Reason Why Wind And Solar Electricity Generation Will Never Work To Run An Economy​

March 25, 2026/ Francis Menton
If you don’t like fossil fuels — and who does? — our betters in academia and environmental NGOs have the perfect answer: we can just get our energy in the form of electricity from the wind and sun. The fuel is abundant and free for the taking. The New York Times has reported that the cost of electricity generated from wind and sun is now lower than the cost of generation from fossil fuel sources. And even as we save money on electricity, we’ll be saving the planet! All the sociology and gender studies majors agree that we have a moral duty to switch our energy system away from fossil fuels to “clean and green” wind and solar electricity. Who could possibly be such a monster as to stand in the way?

At this website, I have devoted considerable attention to documenting major flaws in this narrative. In particular, I have written dozens of posts on the subject of the intermittency problem of wind and solar generation, which leads to a need for either full back-up at all times from another generation source, or alternatively for massive capacity of energy storage, in order to make a fully-functioning electricity system to power a grid without regular blackouts. As demonstrated in my Energy Storage Report of December 2022, providing sufficient energy storage in the form of batteries could multiply the cost of electricity from wind and sun by a factor of ten or more.

And it turns out that the intermittency problem is just one of the major issues with wind and solar generation that make those sources completely impractical and unaffordable to run an electrical grid. Another huge problem, which I have previously barely touched on here, is the problem of synchronization and inertia. My assumption is that nearly all readers will be almost completely unfamiliar with this issue, and with why this issue becomes an insurmountable problem as countries try to move to a predominantly wind/sun generation system. So let this post introduce you to the topic.

LINK

Your author seems to want to give the impression that "grid-forming inverters" are beyond our technological capabilities. He claims that there are none in use world-wide. I would have to disagree with that. Go to Google and simply search for "grid-forming inverters". You will find lots of them for sale and numerous articles explaining when, where and why they are needed, such as: https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy24osti/90256.pdf

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your author seems to want to give the impression that "grid-forming inverters" are beyond our technological capabilities. He claims that there are none in use world-wide. I would have to disagree with that. Go to Google and simply search for "grid-forming inverters". You will find lots of them for sale and numerous articles explaining when, where and why they are needed, such as: https://docs.nrel.gov/docs/fy24osti/90256.pdf

How many "grid-forming inverters" do we need, at what cost, to make your green energy idiocy less stupid?

 

[22lcidw]

Fossil Fuel Industry Receives $35 Billion Each Year in ...​

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Sep 9, 2025 — A new report from Oil Change International reveals the staggering scope of federal government subsidies for fossil fuel production.

Solar and wind hit a record 17% of U.S. generation in 2025​

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16 hours ago — “Developers plan to add 43.4 GW of new utility-scale solar capacity in 2026, a 60% increase in capacity additions from last year if realized,” ...

Are we paying more for energy due to this. And how much of this is government subsidized. The technologies for solar on people's homes as an example should be simplified like children's toys by now.

 

[excalibur]

Let's cover up range land or farmland with massive solar farms. Duh!

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Are we paying more for energy due to this. And how much of this is government subsidized. The technologies for solar on people's homes as an example should be simplified like children's toys by now.

Trump and his cult are canceling wind turbine and solar projects along with the tax breaks, that some qualified for.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Trump and his cult are canceling wind turbine and solar projects along with the tax breaks, that some qualified for.

That's awesome!
The less money wasted on that bullshit, the better.