Slavery: Don't Blame The Bible

[PoliticalChic]

11. A caller to radio host Dennis Prager asked, well…why didn't the Bible simply outlaw slavery?
Prager answered within the context of the times:

To blanket outlaw slavery all at once would be the equivalent of telling everyone, today, to give up all of their possessions.

Since the basis of Judeo-Christian faith is free will……people would simply ignore the restriction.
There would be no sense in the outright ban.




What the Bible does, is gradually mitigate the institution that had been going on since time immemorial.


And the Founders, also, eschewed an outright ban because there would not have been a United States had they done otherwise.

The Founders who wanted to set the stage for the abolition of slavery came up with whata might be seen as a similar compromise involving the issue of apportionment.

"The southern colonies that favored slavery wanted all residents of their states, slave and free, counted equally when it came to deciding how many seats they were going to receive in Congress. Some of the northern colonies, who mostly had few slaves and thus nothing to lose didn’t want slave residents counted at all.

The Founder’s compromise was to count each slave as 3/5 of a man for the purposes of apportionment, and when that passed after a great deal more debate and lobbying, legislators from the slave states were permanently limited to a minority. With that one stroke, the state was set for slavery’s eventual demise, and the proof of how effective it was came in 1804, when the slave states were powerless to stop Congress from outlawing the importation of slaves to the new nation.

The stage was set, even if it took 70 years and a bloody war."
Big Journalism Articles - Breitbart

 

[irosie91]

You appear to be trying strenguously to find a way to find that I am "wrong"....and would love to find a way to insert "again."

Sadly, you've failed in your quest, and have come across as both juvenile and pedantic.


This is what I posted.


"… the Bible does record instances of slavery, but not in the cruel way in which we think of today. In today’s age, the idea of slavery conjures up images of a black man with whip marks on his back and bleeding blisters on his hands, working tirelessly day and night to please his ruthless white “master.” This is not the idea of slavery according to the scriptures.


When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.-Exodus 21:20-21

If the slave died, the master would be put to death, but not if the slave survived (or, at least for a few days). Why? First, if the slave survived, it shows the master’s intent was not to kill or seriously harm the slave. Maybe they just got into a physical argument. Or maybe the master had to defend himself. Either way, it was a simple case of domestic violence, not pre-meditated murder. There is a big difference between those two."


Now...focus like a laser.

Where is any of it 'wrong'?

Or.....is it you who deserves the appellation 'wrong'?

The penalty for beating a slave was death if the slave died. If the slave survived, then there was no penalty, simply because the financial debts basically cancelled each other out." Bible Says It’s Okay to Beat Your Slave, As Long As They Don’t Die? Exodus 21:20-21?


This is the islamo Nazi interpretation which I corrected. If it is not your post-----then I was wrong. ----sorry

Bible Says It’s Okay to Beat Your Slave, As Long As They Don’t Die your welcome---
anytime

1. "This is the islamo Nazi interpretation which I corrected. If it is not your post-"

You wrote this: "wrong ....again..."your sunday school teacher missed that one???"



2." -then I was wrong. ----sorry"

Accepted.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]

chic you did you islamo Nazi shit lie AGAIN----the fact is that according the law which YOU REJECT-----Injury to a slave is also A CRIME -----not so in the FILTH AND SHIT that your sunday school teacher ADULATED. Keep licking the shit of the CANON LAW by your IDOL CONSTANTINE the murdering pig

 

[BreezeWood]

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Slavery: Don't Blame The Bible


PC is hearing voices again ... seeing the words makes it easier when talking to herself.

 

[deanrd]

1. We call it 'fake news' today, but it is the boilerplate methodology of the left to lie by omission as much as by commission.
As their main goal in manipulating the electorate is to end religious faith, they take very opportunity to blame societal evils on religion, morality….and the Bible.
As is the case with so very many of the Left's memes......it just ain't so.


2. For context, every single society in history has had some sort of slavery in it's history. This is because it is among the most fundamental forms of every economic system. When the poor did not own any thing but themselves, their body was collateral, hence, what we call indentured servitude.

a. August 31, 1619 The first 20 blacks are purchased as indentured servants by Jamestown colonists “from a dutch man of warre”-from John Rolfe’s diary.
The first people of African heritage were brought to Virginia by the Dutch. A Dutch ship which either traded for the slaves or stole them from the Spanish entered Chesapeake Bay and sold 20 slaves in August of1619. Virginia's first white settlers did not automatically assume that the Africans were to be slaves always. They treated them as indentured servants, which would grant them personal freedom after 4 to 7 years

b. How and when this changed to perpetual slavery for blacks is unclear, but by the 1640’s, Africans brought to Virginia no longer had indenture contracts. Yet as late as 1651, some Negroes whose period of indenture expired were still being assigned land for themselves, as were the white indentured servants.
Franklin, “From Slavery to Freedom,” p. 71-72.

c. There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his.
Helen Keller




3. The Left puts the term 'slave' to their use by implying that it has just one immutable meaning, and applies it to the situation that black folks found themselves in under the tender mercies of the rules of the South, of Simon Legree….the Democrat Party.
It doesn't: 'slavery' and 'slave' has different meanings at different times and in different geographies.

The only way slavery in the United States fits into the picture above is via the African Slave Trade and/or the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Neither of these species is related to the Bible.

a. " Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, selling their captives or prisoners of war to European buyers.[19] The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighbouring or enemy ethnic groups. These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe"; African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans." Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia


Not only is the above not endorsed by the Bible…..but it is expressly forbidden.

I'll prove that in a moment.

You can't prove jack sh!t. Who do you think you are talking to? Ignorant and illiterate right wingers? You disgust me.

This sh!ts from the New Testament. And remember, when Jesus disciples speak, they are speaking for Christ.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


This is why all those Southern A$$wipes believe in slavery. Because it's promoted in the Bah Bull.

Watch your language.


8. The Supreme Court Dred Scott decision- due to collaboration by a Democrat Judge and a Democrat President- deemed slaves as personal possessions, and escaped slaves had to be returned to their 'rightful owners.'


Is this consistent with the Bible's authorizations?


Not in any way, shape or form.


" If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. 16 Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them."
Deuteronomy 23:15




The Bible cannot be uses as an excuse nor endorsement for what took place in the South, and required a civil war to end.

A Civil War that absolve America of the stain of slavery.


9. "At least 620,000 combatants died during the four-year struggle; recent estimates put the total closer to 750,000, or more than 2 percent of the nation’s population at that time. More soldiers died in prison camps alone than America lost during the entire Vietnam War. Perhaps more to the point, some 350,000 Union soldiers died during the conflict, abolitionists in effect if not always in intent. Adjusted for population, that would amount to almost 5 million service deaths today, amounting to a blood sacrifice more than sufficient to redeem whatever moral or intellectual inconsistencies there are to be found in America’s founding documents.

And if that’s not sufficient? Well, then, nothing will be. But for most Americans—and for much of the rest of the world—it is more than enough. "
Blood Redemption





QED.......the Bible is in no way the explanation for the South's/Democrat's abuse of black Americans.

You mean back when Southern Confederate so called conservative Republicans still called themselves Southern Confederate so called conservative Democrats. We went to school. Duh!

Now read them this time and figure out what it is you don't get, Explain what these mean. If you don't, I will.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

 

[rightwinger]

God in the Bible accepted slavery

of a kind------more like indentured servitude in place of prison time and NEVER FOREVER

Whips and chains= Slavery

 

[PoliticalChic]

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Slavery: Don't Blame The Bible


PC is hearing voices again ... seeing the words makes it easier when talking to herself.

Another non-post from a nonentity.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. We call it 'fake news' today, but it is the boilerplate methodology of the left to lie by omission as much as by commission.
As their main goal in manipulating the electorate is to end religious faith, they take very opportunity to blame societal evils on religion, morality….and the Bible.
As is the case with so very many of the Left's memes......it just ain't so.


2. For context, every single society in history has had some sort of slavery in it's history. This is because it is among the most fundamental forms of every economic system. When the poor did not own any thing but themselves, their body was collateral, hence, what we call indentured servitude.

a. August 31, 1619 The first 20 blacks are purchased as indentured servants by Jamestown colonists “from a dutch man of warre”-from John Rolfe’s diary.
The first people of African heritage were brought to Virginia by the Dutch. A Dutch ship which either traded for the slaves or stole them from the Spanish entered Chesapeake Bay and sold 20 slaves in August of1619. Virginia's first white settlers did not automatically assume that the Africans were to be slaves always. They treated them as indentured servants, which would grant them personal freedom after 4 to 7 years

b. How and when this changed to perpetual slavery for blacks is unclear, but by the 1640’s, Africans brought to Virginia no longer had indenture contracts. Yet as late as 1651, some Negroes whose period of indenture expired were still being assigned land for themselves, as were the white indentured servants.
Franklin, “From Slavery to Freedom,” p. 71-72.

c. There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his.
Helen Keller




3. The Left puts the term 'slave' to their use by implying that it has just one immutable meaning, and applies it to the situation that black folks found themselves in under the tender mercies of the rules of the South, of Simon Legree….the Democrat Party.
It doesn't: 'slavery' and 'slave' has different meanings at different times and in different geographies.

The only way slavery in the United States fits into the picture above is via the African Slave Trade and/or the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Neither of these species is related to the Bible.

a. " Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, selling their captives or prisoners of war to European buyers.[19] The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighbouring or enemy ethnic groups. These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe"; African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans." Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia


Not only is the above not endorsed by the Bible…..but it is expressly forbidden.

I'll prove that in a moment.

You can't prove jack sh!t. Who do you think you are talking to? Ignorant and illiterate right wingers? You disgust me.

This sh!ts from the New Testament. And remember, when Jesus disciples speak, they are speaking for Christ.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


This is why all those Southern A$$wipes believe in slavery. Because it's promoted in the Bah Bull.

Watch your language.


8. The Supreme Court Dred Scott decision- due to collaboration by a Democrat Judge and a Democrat President- deemed slaves as personal possessions, and escaped slaves had to be returned to their 'rightful owners.'


Is this consistent with the Bible's authorizations?


Not in any way, shape or form.


" If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. 16 Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them."
Deuteronomy 23:15




The Bible cannot be uses as an excuse nor endorsement for what took place in the South, and required a civil war to end.

A Civil War that absolve America of the stain of slavery.


9. "At least 620,000 combatants died during the four-year struggle; recent estimates put the total closer to 750,000, or more than 2 percent of the nation’s population at that time. More soldiers died in prison camps alone than America lost during the entire Vietnam War. Perhaps more to the point, some 350,000 Union soldiers died during the conflict, abolitionists in effect if not always in intent. Adjusted for population, that would amount to almost 5 million service deaths today, amounting to a blood sacrifice more than sufficient to redeem whatever moral or intellectual inconsistencies there are to be found in America’s founding documents.

And if that’s not sufficient? Well, then, nothing will be. But for most Americans—and for much of the rest of the world—it is more than enough. "
Blood Redemption





QED.......the Bible is in no way the explanation for the South's/Democrat's abuse of black Americans.

You mean back when Southern Confederate so called conservative Republicans still called themselves Southern Confederate so called conservative Democrats. We went to school. Duh!

Now read them this time and figure out what it is you don't get, Explain what these mean. If you don't, I will.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

1. The Democrats are and have always been, the party of slavery, segregation, and second class citizenship.

The Dred Scott decision was all Democrats, and, proof that they remain as always, is the very personification of the modern Democrat Party....Bill Clinton.

Bill Clinton has been a racist his entire life.

Challenge me on that,you dunce.


2. "You mean back when Southern Confederate so called conservative Republicans still called themselves Southern Confederate so called conservative Democrats. We went to school. Duh!"
Government school? That explains it.


You can run but you can't hide.
So saith the Brown Bomber.

Here is one more indication of which party has always been the racist, anti-black party:

1966- Republican Spiro Agnew ran against Democrat segregationists George Mahoney for governor of Maryland. Agnew enacted some of the first laws in the nation against race discrimination in public housing. “Agnew signed the state's first open-housing laws and succeeded in getting the repeal of an anti-miscegenation law.” Spiro Agnew - Wikipedia


There were plenty of southern integrationists. They were Republicans.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. We call it 'fake news' today, but it is the boilerplate methodology of the left to lie by omission as much as by commission.
As their main goal in manipulating the electorate is to end religious faith, they take very opportunity to blame societal evils on religion, morality….and the Bible.
As is the case with so very many of the Left's memes......it just ain't so.


2. For context, every single society in history has had some sort of slavery in it's history. This is because it is among the most fundamental forms of every economic system. When the poor did not own any thing but themselves, their body was collateral, hence, what we call indentured servitude.

a. August 31, 1619 The first 20 blacks are purchased as indentured servants by Jamestown colonists “from a dutch man of warre”-from John Rolfe’s diary.
The first people of African heritage were brought to Virginia by the Dutch. A Dutch ship which either traded for the slaves or stole them from the Spanish entered Chesapeake Bay and sold 20 slaves in August of1619. Virginia's first white settlers did not automatically assume that the Africans were to be slaves always. They treated them as indentured servants, which would grant them personal freedom after 4 to 7 years

b. How and when this changed to perpetual slavery for blacks is unclear, but by the 1640’s, Africans brought to Virginia no longer had indenture contracts. Yet as late as 1651, some Negroes whose period of indenture expired were still being assigned land for themselves, as were the white indentured servants.
Franklin, “From Slavery to Freedom,” p. 71-72.

c. There is no king who has not had a slave among his ancestors, and no slave who has not had a king among his.
Helen Keller




3. The Left puts the term 'slave' to their use by implying that it has just one immutable meaning, and applies it to the situation that black folks found themselves in under the tender mercies of the rules of the South, of Simon Legree….the Democrat Party.
It doesn't: 'slavery' and 'slave' has different meanings at different times and in different geographies.

The only way slavery in the United States fits into the picture above is via the African Slave Trade and/or the Atlantic Slave Trade.

Neither of these species is related to the Bible.

a. " Africans played a direct role in the slave trade, selling their captives or prisoners of war to European buyers.[19] The prisoners and captives who were sold were usually from neighbouring or enemy ethnic groups. These captive slaves were considered "other", not part of the people of the ethnic group or "tribe"; African kings held no particular loyalty to them. Sometimes criminals would be sold so that they could no longer commit crimes in that area. Most other slaves were obtained from kidnappings, or through raids that occurred at gunpoint through joint ventures with the Europeans." Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia


Not only is the above not endorsed by the Bible…..but it is expressly forbidden.

I'll prove that in a moment.

You can't prove jack sh!t. Who do you think you are talking to? Ignorant and illiterate right wingers? You disgust me.

This sh!ts from the New Testament. And remember, when Jesus disciples speak, they are speaking for Christ.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


This is why all those Southern A$$wipes believe in slavery. Because it's promoted in the Bah Bull.

Watch your language.


8. The Supreme Court Dred Scott decision- due to collaboration by a Democrat Judge and a Democrat President- deemed slaves as personal possessions, and escaped slaves had to be returned to their 'rightful owners.'


Is this consistent with the Bible's authorizations?


Not in any way, shape or form.


" If a slave has taken refuge with you, do not hand them over to their master. 16 Let them live among you wherever they like and in whatever town they choose. Do not oppress them."
Deuteronomy 23:15




The Bible cannot be uses as an excuse nor endorsement for what took place in the South, and required a civil war to end.

A Civil War that absolve America of the stain of slavery.


9. "At least 620,000 combatants died during the four-year struggle; recent estimates put the total closer to 750,000, or more than 2 percent of the nation’s population at that time. More soldiers died in prison camps alone than America lost during the entire Vietnam War. Perhaps more to the point, some 350,000 Union soldiers died during the conflict, abolitionists in effect if not always in intent. Adjusted for population, that would amount to almost 5 million service deaths today, amounting to a blood sacrifice more than sufficient to redeem whatever moral or intellectual inconsistencies there are to be found in America’s founding documents.

And if that’s not sufficient? Well, then, nothing will be. But for most Americans—and for much of the rest of the world—it is more than enough. "
Blood Redemption





QED.......the Bible is in no way the explanation for the South's/Democrat's abuse of black Americans.

You mean back when Southern Confederate so called conservative Republicans still called themselves Southern Confederate so called conservative Democrats. We went to school. Duh!

Now read them this time and figure out what it is you don't get, Explain what these mean. If you don't, I will.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.

Luke 12:47-48 NLT
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. “But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given.”
(When he's talking about servants, it was just another word for slave back then.)

Ephesians 6:5 NLT
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.

1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.


You've proven my point, you're simply too stupid to realize it.

The 'slavery' of the Bible was in no way similar to the slavery that Democrats imposed on blacks in the South.....


....for which the Republican Party was created to end.