Edgetho
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I provide links. All you do is shit through mouth
You are a lying scumbag and everybody in here knows it
Should VA Secretary Eric Shinseki Be Fired/Resign?
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I provide links. All you do is shit through mouth
You are a lying scumbag and everybody in here knows it
Silhouette
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Actually, troops were being amassed for Vietnam in the 1950s.
Johnson [republican] used the 1960's 9-11 [not to be confused with WWII's Pearl-Harbor "9-11"] which was the incident at the Gulf of Tonkin, to swell US presence in Vietnam in 1965 and really get the war going strong. It was waning enthusiam even in the Kennedy Administration. Kennedy was just another democrat caught up in the faux-patriotism of what the GOP had already started. Convenient for GOP war mongers, Kennedy was shot and killed in Texas. And equally conveniently, Johnson [republican from Texas] took the reins and bumped the presence in Vietnam.
You ignorant jack-off.
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Once he found out that he could not fire the VA employees that were responsible for gaming the system, he did resign. Public service unions are the cause of the VA clusterfuck.
I need the names of the senior leaders at the Phoenix VA that were removed.
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There is so much indignation over the cover-up, the question of why our vets have to wait so long for medical treatment seems likely to go unanswered just as in the past.
Actually, they weren't considered troops, rather military advisors, and hardly could be considered "amassed". They were there to instruct the south Vietnamese army and to help fill the financial obligation that the US had promised.
Oh, and Johnson is a republican now that history has been rewritten by you, who knew?
Edgetho
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He's a dimocrap scumbag.
They all lie. Every last one of them.
No one was fired at the Phoenix VA due to this scandal. A few were suspended -- WITH pay.
But that's it.
dimocraps lie. It's what they do. ALL of them
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Johnson was a "texas democrat" in the 1960s. ie: he was a republican. There's more about his connection with oil, George Herbert Walker Bush, the Bay of Pigs and the CIA. If you want to keep debating this.
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Since when did Libbbbberhoids begin giving a flying **** about veterans???
Laughable.
These are the assholes famous for war protests, spitting on soldiers, and burning the American flag.
Go **** yourselves, Libs. We don't need your ******* faux "support"
Laughable.
These are the assholes famous for war protests, spitting on soldiers, and burning the American flag.
Go **** yourselves, Libs. We don't need your ******* faux "support"
Johnson was a card carrying democrat....true story.
Are you going to say that a republican signed the civil rights bill in the 60's?
'Cause if you are you're going to be very confusing.
Edgetho
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We had advisers in Viet Nam in the 1950s. We have Military advisers in 105 Countries as of this date.
We have advisers in Canada, the UK, Germany, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina and about a hundred other Countries.
But they don't have the right to fire their weapons. JFK gave our advisers in Viet Nam the right to fire their weapons and to participate in combat operations.
JFK removed Diem by having him killed. JFK was himself assassinated three weeks later.
LBJ sent combat Ground Troops to Viet Nam to fight a War in 1965.
Two-Thirds of all the American deaths in Viet Nam happened under JFK or LBJ.
Richard Nixon won the War and withdrew all American Troops by April 1973. dimocrap scum cut off supplies, spare parts and ammunition to the South Vietnamese and in 1975 the North Vietnamese, with over 900 Tanks and 17 Divisions (more than the United States has had on active duty at any time since WWII) invaded South Viet Nam and in the age old tradition of mass and maneuver, defeated the South Vietnamese in detail.
And you are one ignorant, knob-slurping, scumbag, lying piece of dimocrap shit.
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Shadow thinks that the GOP forced JFK to amp up the war, and LBJ was a republican.
Come on, Rabbi, get up to speed with the "revised history".
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His leaving would not solve the problems it would though be a sign to veterans and the general public that they are taking the problem serious and might start to regain some of the faith and trust that has been lost.
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Flopper
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Scandal and controversy has always surrounded the VA.
After the Revolutionary War, for instance, payments promised by Congress to disabled veterans were left up to the states, and only a few thousand of those who served ever received anything, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.
1921 -- Congress creates the Veterans Bureau to administer assistance to World War I veterans. It quickly devolves into corruption, and is abolished nine years later under a cloud of scandal.
1930 -- The Veterans Administration is established to replace the troubled Veterans Bureau and two other agencies involved in veterans' care.
1932 -- Thousands of World War I veterans and their families march on Washington to demand payment of promised war bonuses. In an embarrassing spectacle, federal troops forcibly remove veterans who refuse to end their protest.
1945 -- President Harry Truman accepts the resignation of VA Administrator Frank Hines after a series of news reports detailing shoddy care in VA-run hospitals
1946 -- The American Legion leads the charge seeking the ouster of VA Administrator Gen. Omar Bradley, citing an ongoing lack of facilities, troubles faced by hundreds of thousands of veterans in getting services
1947 -- A government commission on reforming government uncovers enormous waste, duplication and inadequate care in the VA
1955 -- A second government reform commission again finds widespread instances of waste and poor care
1970s -- Veterans grow increasingly frustrated with the VA for failing to better fund treatment and assistance programs, and later to recognize exposure to the herbicide Agent Orange
1972 -- Vietnam veteran Ron Kovic, the subject of the book and movie, "Born on the Fouth of July," interrupts Richard Nixon's GOP presidential nomination acceptance speech, saying, according to his biography, "I'm a Vietnam veteran. I gave America my all, and the leaders of this government threw me and others away to rot in their VA hospitals."
1974 -- Kovic leads a 19-day hunger strike at a federal building in Los Angeles to protest poor treatment of veterans in VA hospitals.
1976 -- A General Accounting Office investigation into Denver's VA hospital finds numerous shortcomings in patient care, including veterans whose surgical dressings are rarely changed.
1981 -- Veterans camp out in front of the Wadsworth Veterans Medical Center in Los Angeles after the suicide of a former Marine who had rammed the hospital's lobby with his Jeep and fired shots into the wall after claiming the VA had failed to attend to his service-related disabilities
1982 -- Controversial VA director Robert Nimmo, who once described symptoms of exposure to the herbicide Agent Orange during the Vietnam war as little more than "teenage acne," resigns under pressure from veteran's groups.
1984 -- Congressional investigators find evidence that VA officials had diverted or refused to spend more than $40 million that Congress approved to help Vietnam veterans
1986 -- The VA's Inspector General's office finds 93 physicians working for the agency have sanctions against their medical licenses
1989 -- President Ronald Reagan signs legislation elevating the Veterans
1991 -- The Chicago Tribune reports that doctors at the VA's North Chicago hospital sometimes ignored test results, failed to treat patients in a timely manner and conducted unnecessary surgery.
1993 -- VA Deputy Undersecretary of Benefits R.J. Vogel testifies to Congress that a growing backlog of appeals from veterans denied benefits is due to a federal court established in 1988 to oversee the claims process,
1999 -- Lawmakers open an investigation into widespread problems with clinical research procedures at the VA West Los Angeles Healthcare Center. The investigation followed years of problems at the hospital, including ethical violations..
2000 -- The GAO finds "substantial problems" with the VA's handling of research trials involving human subjects.
2001 -- Despite a 1995 goal to reduce waiting times for primary care and specialty appointments to less than 30 days, the GAO finds that veterans still often wait more than two months for appointments.
2003 -- A commission appointed by President George W. Bush reports that as of January 2003, some 236,000 veterans had been waiting six months or more for initial or follow-up visits
2005 -- An anonymous tip leads to revelations of "significant problems with the quality of care" for surgical patients at the VA's Salisbury, North Carolina,
2006 -- Sensitive records containing the names, Social Security numbers and birth dates of 26.5 million veterans are stolen from the home of a VA employee who did not have authority to take the materials.
2007 -- Outrage erupts after documents released to CNN show some senior VA officials received bonuses of up to $33,000 despite a backlog of hundreds of thousands of benefits cases and an internal review that found numerous problems,
2009 -- The VA discloses that than 10,000 veterans who underwent colonoscopies in Tennessee, Georgia and Florida were exposed to potential viral infections due to poorly disinfected equipment.
2011 -- Nine Ohio veterans test positive for hepatitis after routine dental work at a VA clinic in Dayton, Ohio. A dentist at the VA medical center there acknowledged not washing his hands or even changing gloves between patients for 18 years.
2013 -- The former director of Veteran Affairs facilities in Ohio, William Montague, is indicted on charges he took bribes and kickbacks
January 2014 -- CNN reports that at least 19 veterans died at VA hospitals in 2010 and 2011 because of delays in diagnosis and treatment.
If history is any indication of the future, then problems will continue.
The VA's troubled history - CNN.com
Here is a timeline of what Kennedy did in Vietnam
May 1961 - President Kennedy sends 400 American Green Beret 'Special Advisors' to South Vietnam to train South Vietnamese soldiers in methods of 'counter-insurgency' in the fight against Viet Cong guerrillas.
October 24, 1961 - On the sixth anniversary of the Republic of South Vietnam, President Kennedy sends a letter to President Diem and pledges "the United States is determined to help Vietnam preserve its independence..."
President Kennedy then sends additional military advisors along with American helicopter units to transport and direct South Vietnamese troops in battle, thus involving Americans in combat operations. Kennedy justifies the expanding U.S. military role as a means "...to prevent a Communist takeover of Vietnam which is in accordance with a policy our government has followed since 1954." The number of military advisors sent by Kennedy will eventually surpass 16,000.
February 6, 1962 - MACV, the U.S. Military Assistance Command for Vietnam, is formed. It replaces MAAG-Vietnam, the Military Assistance Advisory Group which had been established in 1950.
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The problems with the VA date back to 1930.
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