Should VA Secretary Eric Shinseki Be Fired/Resign?

[Gadawg73]

Wow, wake up people.
Take a good look at how these disability claims affect the VA and their long lines and waiting times:
Each claimant is averaging 15 ailments:
There are now a total of 1.4 million disability claims filed last year alone, 1.3 million 2011.
Each and every ailment, FIFTEEN OF THEM, has to have a due diligence medical evaluation ON EACH AILMENT INDIVIDUALLY has to be done to see if each one is service related. That is FIFTEEN doctor visits with another FIFTEEN tests done and another FIFTEEN followup evaluation.
That is 45 doctor visits for millions of disability claims so we have 45 million doctor appointments minimum.
Wake up people, this is the reality.
And the new mandate is to "handle the oldest cases first" is absurd. Dude with a disability claim that he sprained his ankle in boot camp or has Agent Orange over a vet that lost his arm in Afghanistan.
Few if any electronic records on these claims. 4.4 million files sitting in 56 regional offices, PAPER FILES.
Expected current costs just for these backlogs for VA?
900 billion minimum.
Do the math. Disability system IS THE PROBLEM. 45 million doctor visits and RISING. Within a year that will triple.

 

[regent]

No.

Very suprisingly..I agree with John Boehner on this.

He was shockingly cool headed and had some very sober views about the debacle.

The VA, as most of government. have a history of scandals, true, less than most. The best VA scandal being when Republicans were selling VA hospital supplies on the side.
Perhaps government scandals should be given a rating system then we would know how bad the scandal really is, but then there would be a scandal about the rating system.
Perhaps it's not the scandal, but which party can make the most of the scandal? A creatve hungry political party can make an everyday, routine, who-cares, incident into a mushroom cloud and that's as good as it gets.

When were "Republicans" selling VA Hospital supplies on the side?

Or are you just another lying dimocrap scumbag?

It happened when the Republicans were selling (giving) US Naval oilfields to the oil companies. Not to worry, some Republicans went to jail including the head of the VA for a couple of years.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Should VA Secretary Eric Shinseki Be Fired/Resign?

For the VA problems: probably

As a not-so hidden payback for telling you neo-cons that your invasion of Iraq could not secure the peace with the troops wanted by Cheney and Rumsfeld: **** no

we needed you to run the war

damn!

Shinsheki told the Congress that it would take 400,000 pairs of boots to hold the peace. Rumsfeld fired him. The surge required 400,000 pairs of boots (military and mercenary).

Yeah, Shinseki should have been running the military end.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The VA, as most of government. have a history of scandals, true, less than most. The best VA scandal being when Republicans were selling VA hospital supplies on the side.
Perhaps government scandals should be given a rating system then we would know how bad the scandal really is, but then there would be a scandal about the rating system.
Perhaps it's not the scandal, but which party can make the most of the scandal? A creatve hungry political party can make an everyday, routine, who-cares, incident into a mushroom cloud and that's as good as it gets.

When were "Republicans" selling VA Hospital supplies on the side?

Or are you just another lying dimocrap scumbag?

It happened when the Republicans were selling (giving) US Naval oilfields to the oil companies. Not to worry, some Republicans went to jail including the head of the VA for a couple of years.

Both parties do not have a good track record running VA.

If private health industry is subcontracted with strong government oversight, that may be a good stop gap intermediary action.

If not harshly overseen by government, many more veterans will die in private sector care.

 

[Edgetho]

Not just him but others should be fired as well. The people who cooked the books so they would get a bonus should all be fired

No, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the Law and if found guilty, imprisoned for the maximum sentence.

On what charges?

Let's start with fraud. Fraud is generally a difficult charge to prove but in this case, it's a slam-dunk.

The next charge? Manslaughter II, depraved indifference. Or, at the very least, Negligent Homicide. Maybe even Felony Murder, but that's a stretch

Tough to prove but so what? They're guilty of it. I'm not for prosecuting people who aren't guilty, but I AM for prosecuting people who ARE guilty even if there is little chance of obtaining a conviction.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Should VA Secretary Eric Shinseki Be Fired/Resign?

For the VA problems: probably

As a not-so hidden payback for telling you neo-cons that your invasion of Iraq could not secure the peace with the troops wanted by Cheney and Rumsfeld: **** no

Uh.... Stupid....Shinseki said it would take HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS more troops to pacify Iraq. Petraeus did it with 20,000 more.

You are lying: he said 400,00o pairs of boots to secure the peace.

The surge required 400,000 troops and mercenaries.

You neo-cons should be in jail here or at the Hague.

The day is coming. A 95 year old is being tried in Europe for war crimes. The Hague will try Americans for Iraq eventually.

 

[Warrior102]

Why stop at Shitstainenski?
Obama's the Commander In Chump. The buck stops with him, right?
That little punk should resign.

 

[Meister]

When were "Republicans" selling VA Hospital supplies on the side?

Or are you just another lying dimocrap scumbag?

It happened when the Republicans were selling (giving) US Naval oilfields to the oil companies. Not to worry, some Republicans went to jail including the head of the VA for a couple of years.

Both parties do not have a good track record running VA.

If private health industry is subcontracted with strong government oversight, that may be a good stop gap intermediary action.

If not harshly overseen by government, many more veterans will die in private sector care.

Isn't it about the
VA hiding documents for promotions and bonuses?
I don't think this has anything to do with the quality of care....once they get to the "care".

 

[JakeStarkey]

It happened when the Republicans were selling (giving) US Naval oilfields to the oil companies. Not to worry, some Republicans went to jail including the head of the VA for a couple of years.

Both parties do not have a good track record running VA.

If private health industry is subcontracted with strong government oversight, that may be a good stop gap intermediary action.

If not harshly overseen by government, many more veterans will die in private sector care.

Isn't it about the
VA hiding documents for promotions and bonuses?
I don't think this has anything to do with the quality of care....once they get to the "care".

Thank you for that.

Some have been suggesting VA care is not quality and not cost effective. They are wrong.

I agree that all corruption should be cut out.

If Shenseki knew it or should have known it, then he has to go.

 

[Edgetho]

Should VA Secretary Eric Shinseki Be Fired/Resign?

For the VA problems: probably

As a not-so hidden payback for telling you neo-cons that your invasion of Iraq could not secure the peace with the troops wanted by Cheney and Rumsfeld: **** no

we needed you to run the war

damn!

Shinsheki told the Congress that it would take 400,000 pairs of boots to hold the peace. Rumsfeld fired him. The surge required 400,000 pairs of boots (military and mercenary).

Yeah, Shinseki should have been running the military end.

You are a lying sack of steaming shit.

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But you're a dimocrap. What else is new

 

[Silhouette]

I've known dozens of Vietnam vets over the years and without exception, they complained that the wait list was very long for medical treatments for their real issues stemming from Agent Orange [which did exist by the way and did destroy these soldiers health long-term when sprayed on them in combat] and other health problems.

Basically this is how the VA runs from what I've been told being very close to both officers' families and enlisted families. The officers and their families get red carpet, fast track treatment. The lower you are in rank, the longer you wait. And yes, sometimes you die while you wait.

Among Vietnam vets, the chatter is that Uncle Sam determines who will be expensive to treat and who isn't. They say that to make wars more economical for the industry giants who spawn them, create a 9-11 type scenario to justify running to Congress to lie to them to get into the Treasury to fund them, part of the cost-reduction is to screw the vets at the VA when they get home. Some even believe they want vets to commit suicide to reduce costs. It's a longstanding dirty secret that is only secret to the civilian population. Veterans have long known that signing away their individuality when they were recruited was extended to their personhood not existing when they fought and came home. They were and are expendable toothpaste.

Everyone knows this really. Few want to talk about it. Now we are talking about it, they want a sacraficial lamb: The General who just happens to be heading up the VA when the musical chairs music stopped.

I think he should be stubborn. I think he should come right back at congressional GOP members and ask that they double the funding for the VA to take on the new swamp of injured BigOil chumps. In fact, I think all those oil companies over there during the hostile and illegal invasion of Iraq should have to chip in to pay for the medical expenses of those soldiers who believed they were doing something noble; instead of the hostile corporate takeover of Iraq's sovereign oil fields...which is factually what Iraq was all about.

The truth can set you free. Turn the tables on the asshole inquisition. Tell them to pony up more cash for the VA. Turn it around on them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

we needed you to run the war

damn!

Shinsheki told the Congress that it would take 400,000 pairs of boots to hold the peace. Rumsfeld fired him. The surge required 400,000 pairs of boots (military and mercenary).

Yeah, Shinseki should have been running the military end.

You are a lying sack of steaming shit.

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But you're a dimocrap. What else is new

I am a Republican, and you are a TeaBagger.

You are not counting the mercenaries which in 2007 and 2008 were more than 200,000.

Shinseki was right and you are wrong.

 

[DiamondDave]

Are you aware of how many people at the TOP have been fired thus far sir?

Besides, if the TOP guy gets fired and it's not his fault, WHO do we have in place to take over?

What mess would that leave behind for the next guy to figure out THEN have to resolve?

Are you more interested in ACTUALLY getting the VA straightened out or just "sending a message?"

[MENTION=11393]DiamondDave[/MENTION]

There is always someone else... when in a position of power or 'charge' you can indeed get fired for something that you did not do.. in fact for things your subordinates do

The VA needs to be fixed... it will take money, re-orging, and a huge effort... maybe we should start by getting rid of unconstitutional and unnecessary spending in other areas to fund the VA properly?? Openly audit the leadership, the practices, the procedures, the facilities, and the employees...

Administrations getting the country into UNNECESSARY, COSTLY and CORRUPT wars is conspicuously missing from your list.

Whether you agree with the military actions are not, the government is charged to fund and provide for the military... it is not charged to fund and provide for your personal wants and needs

 

[Gadawg73]

"Fire him" solves HOW MANY OF THE REGULATIONS, RULES AND GUIDELINES at VA?

The problem is THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

Which POLITICIANS set.

Damn, this is not rocket science.

 

[Silhouette]

"Fire him" solves HOW MANY OF THE REGULATIONS, RULES AND GUIDELINES at VA?

The problem is THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

Which POLITICIANS set.

Damn, this is not rocket science.

None. See my last post.

 

[MarcATL]

Ever hear of sending a message?? Starting somewhere? Holding someone accountable??

Yeah.. you're a lefty.. didn't think so

Are you aware of how many people at the TOP have been fired thus far sir?

Besides, if the TOP guy gets fired and it's not his fault, WHO do we have in place to take over?

What mess would that leave behind for the next guy to figure out THEN have to resolve?

Are you more interested in ACTUALLY getting the VA straightened out or just "sending a message?"

[MENTION=11393]DiamondDave[/MENTION]

I know of no firings to date at the top. Only one resignation. Who has been fired?

Senior officials at the Phoenix VA.

 

[MarcATL]

Well, he's gone.
I figured he was TOAST!
President Obama just said he tendered his resignation.
Something about not wanting to be a distraction to the vets getting the care they need.

 

[Meister]

Are you aware of how many people at the TOP have been fired thus far sir?

Besides, if the TOP guy gets fired and it's not his fault, WHO do we have in place to take over?

What mess would that leave behind for the next guy to figure out THEN have to resolve?

Are you more interested in ACTUALLY getting the VA straightened out or just "sending a message?"

[MENTION=11393]DiamondDave[/MENTION]

I know of no firings to date at the top. Only one resignation. Who has been fired?

Senior officials at the Phoenix VA.

Senior officials in Phoenix isn't the top, Marc.
It didn't stop in Az.

 

[Meister]

"Fire him" solves HOW MANY OF THE REGULATIONS, RULES AND GUIDELINES at VA?

The problem is THE SYSTEM IN PLACE.

Which POLITICIANS set.

Damn, this is not rocket science.

There were no rules or regulations in place for falsifying documents.
No politician set up what was going on with the VA.
No system was in place for what was going on.
It was corruption and criminal what was going on.

 

[Edgetho]

Shinsheki told the Congress that it would take 400,000 pairs of boots to hold the peace. Rumsfeld fired him. The surge required 400,000 pairs of boots (military and mercenary).

Yeah, Shinseki should have been running the military end.

You are a lying sack of steaming shit.

Multi-National Force ? Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Active May 14, 2004 – December 31, 2009
Country
United States (2004-2009)
United Kingdom (2004-2009)
Australia (2004-2009)
Poland (2004-2008)
Ukraine (2004-2008)
Georgia (2004-2008)
Bulgaria (2004-2008)
Denmark (2003-2007)
Italy (2004-2006)
Netherlands (2004-2005)
Spain (2004-2004)
Size 176,000 at its peak[1]
112,000 in December 2009[2]
Part of Seal of United States Central Command.png United States Central Command
Engagements Iraq War

But you're a dimocrap. What else is new

I am a Republican, and you are a TeaBagger.

You are not counting the mercenaries which in 2007 and 2008 were more than 200,000.

Shinseki was right and you are wrong.

What Mercenaries, dickbreath?

200,000 MERCENARIES running around in Iraq and nobody knows about it except you?

Or do you mean people like Blackwater? You're calling them 'mercenaries'? Seriously?

They performed 'Police' duties, not really Military, front-line Combat. "Mercenaries' my ass.


US rejects UN mercenary report - USATODAY.com

Figures a non-combat ***** like you would confuse 'Police' and 'Military'

Even allowing for that serious stretch, there were no more than a maximum of 100,000 'mercenaries' at any one time..... Doing important shit like guarding Province Chiefs from jealous wives....

You said 400,000. You're still 130,000 short.

And you're still a pathological liar.

Blackwater = Mercenaries