The Two Week Cease Fire Deal Is A Positive Development!

[Natural Citizen]

The very beginning of that video cracked me up the way she said that. That's kind of the attitude I have about it, too, except I have that attitude regarding the whole middle east mess. lol...

 

[citygator]

"The Ayatollahs, the 'terror regime' as they say on Fox News, will be in place, and that's not a win, that's a loss. .

U.S. military bases in the region have been destroyed, certainly badly damaged. U.S. military personnel have withdrawn, retreated — that's not good, that's not a display of power, that's a display of weakness. There's no way to spin that, that's a loss.

This war has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, U.S. taxpayer dollars…That's a loss.

Commodities prices have risen…That's a loss, that's a tax on people who buy things in the United States.

And then, of course, Americans have been killed. It's not clear how many because there's an awful lot of lying about it, but it's a substantial number, more than a dozen, maybe much more than that, we don't know yet. So Americans have died.

America's gotten poorer. America's become weaker, demonstrably — we can't open the Strait of Hormuz, which is the overriding objective of this war, we can't do it by force, that's been proven. And the regime that we described as illegitimate — this crazed theocracy, those Stone Age people — are going to, when this is all over, remain in control of Iran. Those are losses, just objectively."

 

[citygator]

 

[schmidlap]

"The Ayatollahs, the 'terror regime' as they say on Fox News, will be in place, and that's not a win, that's a loss. .

U.S. military bases in the region have been destroyed, certainly badly damaged. U.S. military personnel have withdrawn, retreated — that's not good, that's not a display of power, that's a display of weakness. There's no way to spin that, that's a loss.

This war has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, U.S. taxpayer dollars…That's a loss.

Commodities prices have risen…That's a loss, that's a tax on people who buy things in the United States.

And then, of course, Americans have been killed. It's not clear how many because there's an awful lot of lying about it, but it's a substantial number, more than a dozen, maybe much more than that, we don't know yet. So Americans have died.

America's gotten poorer. America's become weaker, demonstrably — we can't open the Strait of Hormuz, which is the overriding objective of this war, we can't do it by force, that's been proven. And the regime that we described as illegitimate — this crazed theocracy, those Stone Age people — are going to, when this is all over, remain in control of Iran. Those are losses, just objectively."

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The Trump administration declared victory in its military campaign against Iran almost exactly 24 hours after the U.S. and Tehran announced a ceasefire.​

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But it doesn’t look that way on a strategic level.​

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American forces have dominated on tactics, sinking the Iranian navy, crippling its ballistic missile and drone-making capabilities, and decimating most of its air defenses.​

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Yet the hardliners who have ruled Tehran for the past 47 years are still in charge. Iran still possesses its stockpile of highly enriched uranium — one of Trump’s key reasons for starting the war. And it can claim a newfound dominance over the Strait of Hormuz, a growing threat to world energy markets.​

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https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/08/us-not-won-iran-war-00864337

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The Memo:​

Trump’s dash for off-ramp in Iran fuels fears of strategic defeat​

Trump needs someone to blame.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

1. The straits are not open, they were, now they will be tolled - how is that a win?"

Don't care. We don't get nor need anything from there. It hurts the Chinese, not us.

2. Nuclear material is STILL in Iran - how is that a win?

They can't use it. Might as well be iced tea. Are you really that stupid?

3. We had 3 planes shot down by our allies and 17 aircraft destroyed by Iran, two boats drydocked from attacks or clogged toilets, and had a disastrous heist attempt go wrong - how is that a win?

lol accidnets during military exercises are common as dirt, even in peacetime ops. Losing drones is no big deal ,except to desperate IRanian propagandists. Our losses are very light for the scale of operations being conducted.

4. Iran is now getting more money from oil than ever before - how is that a win?

lol sure. And my ducks poop solid gold.

5. Gas prices have doubled, Amazon and USPS raised prices, airlines are raising ticket prices, shipping containers are being assessed fuel surcharges, and fertilizer is sky high prices and scarce - how is that a win?

So? PRice gouging is always a feature of businesses looking for windfalls. Don't buy of tht stuff til the price goes down.

6. The old leader was replaced by a young leader who is the son of the killed leader - how is that a win?

lol and how is he doing so far? He's hiding in basements sucking his thumb. Iran has no air force, no army that can defend it, and soon no electricity and no functioning oil industry.

Defense Casualty Analysis System

dcas.dmdc.osd.mil

Our causalities are barely noticeable from our normal peacetime operations.

You've never had any tantrums over deaths until you were told to pretend to care by your masters.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

"The Ayatollahs, the 'terror regime' as they say on Fox News, will be in place, and that's not a win, that's a loss. .

U.S. military bases in the region have been destroyed, certainly badly damaged. U.S. military personnel have withdrawn, retreated — that's not good, that's not a display of power, that's a display of weakness. There's no way to spin that, that's a loss.

This war has cost hundreds of billions of dollars, U.S. taxpayer dollars…That's a loss.

Commodities prices have risen…That's a loss, that's a tax on people who buy things in the United States.

And then, of course, Americans have been killed. It's not clear how many because there's an awful lot of lying about it, but it's a substantial number, more than a dozen, maybe much more than that, we don't know yet. So Americans have died.

America's gotten poorer. America's become weaker, demonstrably — we can't open the Strait of Hormuz, which is the overriding objective of this war, we can't do it by force, that's been proven. And the regime that we described as illegitimate — this crazed theocracy, those Stone Age people — are going to, when this is all over, remain in control of Iran. Those are losses, just objectively."

Yes, you're told to run around and make believe your side is winning and American is losing. same thing our enemies do in every war.

Big yawn,.

 

[Zavulon]

A reporter near Tel Aviv last I checked reported 5 missile flyovers from Iran into Israel since the ceasefire including at least one cluster bomb.

Israel violated the ceasefire in less than 3 hours from its start. Actually, they just said: "F#ck you, Yankees, we are continuing to bomb Lebadon whatever threaty you have. You, Ghoim, should fight and die for the benefit of Israel, and that's how the things are". The only question is why Trump obey them and don't obey American people.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Israel violated the ceasefire in less than 3 hours from its start. Actually, they just said: "F#ck you, Yankees, we are continuing to bomb Lebadon whatever threaty you have. You, Ghoim, should fight and die for the benefit of Israel, and that's how the things are". The only question is why Trump obey them and don't obey American people.

Didn't know Lebanon was on the Strait. Can you post of a map and time when it moved there? Thanks in advance.

 

[Zavulon]

Didn't know Lebanon was on the Strait. Can you post of a map and time when it moved there? Thanks in advance.

It was a part of the ceasefire.

And Israel-led coalition effectively ended it before it actually started.
May be, the very "acceptance of the ceasefire", was nothing but attempted manipulation of markets.

 

[kyzr]

Lebanon was a part of the ceasefire.
And Israel-led coalition effectively ended it before it actually started.
May be, the very "acceptance of the ceasefire", was nothing but attempted manipulation of markets.

Pakistan said there was a ceasefire and Lebanon was included.
The US didn't see it that way. I don't believe Israel was at the table.
Iran violated the ceasefire as well firing on Israel and the Gulf states.
Either the ceasefire works or it doesn't before the meeting on Saturday.

 

[Zavulon]

Pakistan said there was a ceasefire and Lebanon was included.

Yes.

The US didn't see it that way. I don't believe Israel was at the table.

The USA said that they agreed with Pakistan's terms of ceasefire, including Lebadon. If the USA can't control Israel - it is only American problem.

Iran violated the ceasefire as well firing on Israel and the Gulf states.

If Israel [and Gulf states] are not the part of Iran-USA ceasefire, as you said, it just mean that Iran have right to attack both Israel and Gulf States. And it means that the USA just thrown them to the wolves.

Either the ceasefire works or it doesn't before the meeting on Saturday.

Either it is ceasefire between US-led coalition and Iran-led coalition (and Israel just proved it's not), or it's just US alleviation, or attempt to lure out the next group of Iranian negotiators just to kill them.
I think there will be no negotiations. There is nothing to talk about (Trump already said thet they won't accept at least 3 of ten Iranian peace terms), there is no reason to negotiate (Iran can continue fight), and there is nobody to negotiate with (Americans are just untrustworthy).

 

[EdwinAMartin]

It was a part of the ceasefire.

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And Israel-led coalition effectively ended it before it actually started.
May be, the very "acceptance of the ceasefire", was nothing but attempted manipulation of markets.

So Iran should have brought its terrorist units home. They didn't so tough.

 

[kyzr]

The USA said that they agreed with Pakistan's terms of ceasefire, including Lebanon. If the USA can't control Israel - it is only American problem.

Vance said Lebanon wasn't included, so there was a legitimate misunderstanding.

If Israel [and Gulf states] are not the part of Iran-USA ceasefire, as you said, it just mean that Iran have right to attack both Israel and Gulf States. And it means that the USA just thrown them to the wolves.

Is Hezbollah part of the ceasefire? Israel won't stand down unless Hezbollah stops shooting rockets at them.

Either it is ceasefire between US-led coalition and Iran-led coalition (and Israel just proved it's not), or it's just US alleviation, or attempt to lure out the next group of Iranian negotiators just to kill them.
I think there will be no negotiations. There is nothing to talk about (Trump already said that they won't accept at least 3 of ten Iranian peace terms), there is no reason to negotiate (Iran can continue fight), and there is nobody to negotiate with (Americans are just untrustworthy).

We'll see on Saturday. If negotiations fail so will Iran's powerplants and bridges.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Yes.

The USA said that they agreed with Pakistan's terms of ceasefire, including Lebadon. If the USA can't control Israel - it is only American problem.



If Israel [and Gulf states] are not the part of Iran-USA ceasefire, as you said, it just mean that Iran have right to attack both Israel and Gulf States. And it means that the USA just thrown them to the wolves.


Either it is ceasefire between US-led coalition and Iran-led coalition (and Israel just proved it's not), or it's just US alleviation, or attempt to lure out the next group of Iranian negotiators just to kill them.
I think there will be no negotiations. There is nothing to talk about (Trump already said thet they won't accept at least 3 of ten Iranian peace terms), there is no reason to negotiate (Iran can continue fight), and there is nobody to negotiate with (Americans are just untrustworthy).

It is Iran who needs the ceasefire, not us. We're doing just fine, while inflation is eating up your countty. The gate from Turkey will be closed soon.

Iran’s Inflation Surges Again as Food Prices Skyrocket and Regime Policies Deepen the Crisis - Iran News Update

Iran’s latest inflation report shows annual inflation climbing to 40.4% in November 2025, with food prices rising over 66% and some categories doubling, intensifying pressure on low-income households as the regime introduces a new three-tier gasoline system.

irannewsupdate.com

 

[Zavulon]

So Iran should have brought its terrorist units home. They didn't so tough.

Lebadon is home for freedom fighters of Hezbollah. And Israel came on their land and kill those people.

 

[Zavulon]

It is Iran who needs the ceasefire, not us.

We'll see.

We're doing just fine, while inflation is eating up your countty. The gate from Turkey will be closed soon.

C'mon, don't be such a princess. Iran still have access to Caspian sea and ground border with Afghanistan. And if Russia and China invest in Iran one tenth from what you had invested in Ukraine - they will fight with comfort.

 

[gipper]

We have been defeated. What is going on here?

We’re living in Orwellian times.

 

[Zavulon]

We’re living in Orwellian times.

And Russians live in WH40k times.

 

[Zavulon]

We’re living in Orwellian times.

Well, it seems to me, that Orwell was too optimistic about future of Anglo-Saxon mindset. In his world, doublethink means that people see contradictions in their words and statements and use specific mental tricks to play with contradictory statements. Nowadays people of Oceania are rather "non-binary thinkers" they don't even notice a contraditions in their words and don't believe that logic is somehow important.

 

[JoeB131]