Zone1 Should men and women be considered completey and absolutey, by all measures, "equal"?

The number was less than 5% thirty years ago. I was one of the first female bank managers in Canada, and things were very difficult for women breaking through the glass ceiling. I was harassed and insulted endless at every management meeting I ever attended. I was blocking a great training job that a man could use because I wouldn't take a transfer. Telling them I would take a transfer didn't deter the abuse.

Female run companies have proven that women are just as effective as managers as men. That's made it easier for women. In 1975, I could count on the fingers of one hand how many women I knew in branch banking management. Now, nearly half of the branch banking managers are women and 40% of senior bank staff are women. There were NO senior bank staff who were women in my day. As of 2021, women occupied 39.5 per cent of senior management positions and 48.6 per cent of all middle management positions at Canada's six largest banks.


Your comment that Biden and Trudeau hire on the basis of sex, not qualifications, is laughable. Trump hired 1 black man and 2 women for his cabinet. Other than press aides, all of his advisors were white men. And your assumption that the men were more capable or qualified is bullshit.

There are so many qualified and capable women/minorities/gays waiting for an opportunity, and working their way in through secretarial/administrative assistant jobs, and then slotting into management training when an opening presents itself, because the white men still get hired first.

Trump appointed Amy Coney Barrett - the least qualified SC candidate I've seen in my lifetime, in terms of experience. She was a law professor before Trump appointed her to the appeals court, and the ink was barely dry on that appointment when she was elevated to the SC. But she was Catholic, and rabidly anti-abortion, and those were the only two qualifications that mattered, if he had to appoint a woman.

Joe Biden's pick, your so-called "affirmative action hire", had a comparable educational record to ACB, but she had 12 years experience as a federal judge\ in Washington DC - one of the busiest federal courts in the country, and had been both a federal prosecutor, and a public defender before being elevated to the bench. She's the most qualified and experienced person appointed to the SC since RBG.

The year, I became a bank manager, I won an Award for being the top branch management employee in Ontario. I left the bank when they hired a man right off the street for a job I was both qualified and available for, and sent him to me to train telling him that I was "the best consumer lending specialist there is". Not only did they give this guy the job I had applied for, they were paying him 25% more than they were paying me.
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Men choose to work more no matter what the situation is, because men are often biologically wired to value/choose different things than women, and women are wired to often value/choose different than men.. which is a good thing. It explains any difference in outcome. Woke feminist conspiracies about a gender pay gap and a secret patriarchy are invented myths to rally the depressed/angry… Men and women are generally different and compliment each other.

As for Biden, he literally said his unknown SCOTUS nomination was going to be a black female.. and then found a black female. He made his intentions clear, her record was not the primary reason she got the job.
 
No
Is a spoon and a fork equal in all ways?
Pretty damn obvious no.
Men are better at some things than women, and women are better than men in other ways.
Both physically different, as well as born with hardwired differences psychologically
 
Males and females staying single into their late 30s is a huge Boon to the nation. Less unwanted pregnancies which is wonderful.
 
equal?

Men and women typically have different bone structures, hormones, organ sizes, genitalia, genetics… and only one can become pregnant.

That’s not equal at all. They are different. Different is the antonym of equal
They were obviously talking legally. Physically no one is equal, not even men and other men. Male genitalia doesn't come in one size does it?
 
That's not the topic of this thread.
The topic is whether or not men and women should be considered "equal" in some manner and I think they should under the law. That's perfectly within the scope of the Op.
Men don't have the right to kill an unwanted baby
Nice strawman. I never suggested they do or should. I argued that women should have an equal right to defend themselves against unwanted physical force and that anti abortion laws prevents them from doing just that. Care to address that point?
 
For the past 10 years your side has been telling me that men can get pregnant too. It's not my fault that liberalism is a mental disease.
So you admit all you have is a cosplay argument? Real arguments are made in good faith. If you want to concede that trans males, who are biologically female, can get pregnant then I'd be happy to concede that my terminology was off. I should of said pregnant people are being denied their equal right to self defense from unwanted physical force. See that? Your paper cosplay argument was easy to defeat and my point still stands, unchallenged and unbothered. Let me know when one of you can rise enough intellectually to defeat it.
 
So you admit all you have is a cosplay argument? Real arguments are made in good faith. If you want to concede that trans males, who are biologically female, can get pregnant then I'd be happy to concede that my terminology was off. I should of said pregnant people are being denied their equal right to self defense from unwanted physical force. See that? Your paper cosplay argument was easy to defeat and my point still stands, unchallenged and unbothered. Let me know when one of you can rise enough intellectually to defeat it.
There's nothing wrong with using someone's own logic against them. It's not a bad faith argument. You could have defeated my argument by admitting that men can't get pregnant or that you don't believe that trans-men are men. Trans-men can obviously get pregnant because they're not men; they're just disfigured insane women. In any case, you seem to be conceding that trans-men are not men. This is true progress.

So let's deal with what is the crux of your argument; that pregnant women are being denied the equal right to self-defense from unwanted force. This "unwanted force" phrase is problematic. I'm sure criminals don't want force used against them by the police. Businesses don't want force used against them by government regulators. Taxpayers don't want force used against them by the IRS. Thieves don't want force used against them by their victims.

There are many instances where we, collectively, understand that unwanted force is acceptable. So there is no right to be free from unwanted force. I think you would agree, unless you're an anarcho-pacifist.
 

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