Vagabond63
Gold Member
Oh, as for lawnmower deaths, if you Yanks can't even drive lawnmowers, do you really think you can be trusted with real weapons?
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Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.It's all fake news.
There are no shootings in The UK.
You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.
So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.
Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.
And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....
The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."
Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)
That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.
Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....
Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.
Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......
You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.
You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
What I find most grotesque is that 3 or more people have to actually die before the incident is classed as a mass shooting, so all the wounded somehow don't matter? A mass shooting is a mass shooting, regardless of how many die. The USA, rose from barbarism to decadence, but never made it to civilisation, sad.
Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.It's all fake news.
There are no shootings in The UK.
You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.
So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.
Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.
And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....
The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."
Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)
That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.
Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....
Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.
Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......
You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.
You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
---------------------------
.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======
Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
-------------
British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======
'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
---------------------------
.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======
Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
-------------
British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======
'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
“It’s dark, and I don’t know what’s out there, so I have it to protect myself and other people. That’s what it’s all about anyway — to help other people with it, not just myself.
“I didn’t think I’d ever have to pull it. Did I want to? No, not at all. But just … right place, right time.”
11/11/17====================
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
---------------------------
.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======
Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
-------------
British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======
'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
Would-be robber fatally shot by resident after forcing family into basement
A man was shot and killed inside a home in Hammond, Indiana, Friday morning while attempting to rob the residents.
According to a statement from the Hammond Police Department, the suspect, who has not been publicly identified, entered the home through the front door around 7:30 a.m. The suspect said he knew of a safe in the basement of the home and announced a robbery while threatening the residents with the firearm.
The suspect then forced three residents into the basement, but unbeknown to the would-be robber, there was a fourth resident inside the house as well. The fourth resident retrieved a handgun, and when the suspect came out of the basement and walked into the kitchen, he shot the suspect multiple times in the chest.
Police were called, and when officers arrived on the scene, the suspect, who was only identified as a black male, was found lying on the kitchen floor. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
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Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
---------------------------
.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======
Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
-------------
British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======
'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody
Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.
The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.
Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.
Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.
Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.
This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.
A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.
The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.
When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.
McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.
You have far more patience than I doHang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
---------------------------
.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======
Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
-------------
British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======
'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
And more.....
66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody
Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.
The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.
Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.
Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.
Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.
7/24/17
72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’
After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.
“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”
Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.
“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.
Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.
Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.
7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder
On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.
The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.
The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.
Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.
She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.
Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"
The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns
Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:
Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.
For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).
It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.
In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.
[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]
How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.
A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.
The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.
When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.
McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.
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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed
Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery
A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.
Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.
The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.
The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.
No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.
5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot
Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side
CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.
The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.
The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.
The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.
A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.
Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.
Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.
Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17
Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire
In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."
The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street
He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.
"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."
Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.
He was shot on his arm and hip.
But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.
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I think you may be in double figures now. Still a million short of a million though.Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
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15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
And more.....
66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody
Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.
The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.
Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.
Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.
Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.
7/24/17
72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’
After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.
“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”
Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.
“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.
Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.
Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.
7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder
On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.
The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.
The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.
Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.
She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.
Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"
The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns
Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:
Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.
For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).
It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.
In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.
[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]
How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.
A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.
The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.
When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.
McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.
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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed
Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery
A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.
Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.
The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.
The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.
No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.
5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot
Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side
CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.
The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.
The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.
The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.
A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.
Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.
Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.
Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17
Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire
In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."
The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street
He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.
"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."
Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.
He was shot on his arm and hip.
But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.
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Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.It's all fake news.
There are no shootings in The UK.
You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.
So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.
Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.
And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....
The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."
Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)
That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.
Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....
Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.
Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......
You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.
You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...
Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....
Pure BS. Our gun crime and murder rate dropped dramatically since 1997,when we banned most handguns. It's only started to rise again after a decade or two of Right wing governments creating huge inequalities in our society and cutting back on our police.Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.It's all fake news.
There are no shootings in The UK.
You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.
So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.
Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.
And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....
The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."
Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)
That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.
Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....
Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.
Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......
You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.
You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...
Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
Wrong.....that is wrong.
You are mixing mass public shootings with regular crime.
When normal people have their guns in the middle of a mass public shooting, they are 94% successful at stopping the attack or limiting the deaths and injuries.
The number you are mixing up is the 1.1 million times a year normal people use their guns for common rapists, robbers and murderers....from the Centers for Disease control....
Two different categories of crime and responses....
.....we are talking mass public shootings....and from the examples, they are not all ex anything......you are lying...
Again....normal people have a 94% success rate......using guns is not that difficult.
No, you should provide proper training to use lawnmowers. With guns you should register who owns a gun, require a minimum standard of competence and then issOh, as for lawnmower deaths, if you Yanks can't even drive lawnmowers, do you really think you can be trusted with real weapons?
Yes, we should ban lawn mowers....they kill more people year than AR-15 rifles.
Says the dickless troll whose contribution so far has been nothing other than troll likeYou have far more patience than I doHang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
And more.....
66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody
Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.
The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.
Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.
Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.
Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.
7/24/17
72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’
After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.
“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”
Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.
“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.
Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.
Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.
7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder
On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.
The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.
The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.
Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.
She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.
Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"
The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns
Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:
Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.
For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).
It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.
In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.
[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]
How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.
A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.
The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.
When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.
McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.
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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed
Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery
A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.
Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.
The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.
The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.
No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.
5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot
Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side
CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.
The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.
The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.
The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.
A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.
Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.
Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.
Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17
Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire
In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."
The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street
He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.
"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."
Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.
He was shot on his arm and hip.
But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.
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Vagabond63 is a troll.
and not even an American troll
he has few if any rights remaining in the UK and just wants to see Americans suffer too.
its simple penis envy and nothing more
no matter how long you argue he will never change his mind
Prove it.
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
Wrong.....that is wrong.
You are mixing mass public shootings with regular crime.
When normal people have their guns in the middle of a mass public shooting, they are 94% successful at stopping the attack or limiting the deaths and injuries.
The number you are mixing up is the 1.1 million times a year normal people use their guns for common rapists, robbers and murderers....from the Centers for Disease control....
Two different categories of crime and responses....
.....we are talking mass public shootings....and from the examples, they are not all ex anything......you are lying...
Again....normal people have a 94% success rate......using guns is not that difficult.
No, you should train people
No, you should provide proper training to use lawnmowers. With guns you should register who owns a gun, require a minimum standard of competence and then issOh, as for lawnmower deaths, if you Yanks can't even drive lawnmowers, do you really think you can be trusted with real weapons?
Yes, we should ban lawn mowers....they kill more people year than AR-15 rifles.
Says the dickless troll whose contribution so far has been nothing other than troll likeYou have far more patience than I doHang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rightsMust have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....
And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....
5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns
Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears
Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.
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.4/6/18
Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed
A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.
Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.
The 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.
Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..
Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........
I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?
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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com
Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'
15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside
Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.
Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.
The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.
He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.
Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester
Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.
Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.
The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.
Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......
And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......
Your people won't be so lucky...........
And more.....
66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody
Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.
The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.
Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.
Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.
Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.
7/24/17
72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’
After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.
“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”
Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.
“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.
Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.
Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.
7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder
On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.
The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.
The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.
Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.
She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.
Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"
The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns
Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:
Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.
For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).
It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .
In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.
In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.
[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]
How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.
According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.
So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.
Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.
I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”
Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”
So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.
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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.
A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.
The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.
When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.
McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.
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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed
Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery
A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.
Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.
The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.
The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.
No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.
5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot
Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side
CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.
The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.
The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.
The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.
A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.
Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.
Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.
Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17
Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire
In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."
The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street
He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.
"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."
Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.
He was shot on his arm and hip.
But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.
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Vagabond63 is a troll.
and not even an American troll
he has few if any rights remaining in the UK and just wants to see Americans suffer too.
its simple penis envy and nothing more
no matter how long you argue he will never change his mind
Doesn't alter the fact that after handguns were banned gun crime in the UK plummeted by around 75%. gun control worked until the last decade when Right wing Conservative governments cut police and social services in the name of ideological austerity.Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.It's all fake news.
There are no shootings in The UK.
You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.
So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.
Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.
And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....
The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.
Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."
Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.
While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing
Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)
That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.
(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)
Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)
Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)
Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.
Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....
Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.
Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......
You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.
You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...
Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....