Shootings in Britain

[Vagabond63]

20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

 

[Vagabond63]

Oh, it was Kleck, not Lott. My bad. As I said I don't have access to my files at the moment, but the two are interchangeable. Both are NRA shills manipulating data based on "estimates" to pursue thair agendas. No facts, just best guesses.

Neither of them has any connection to the NRA you moron........but since you are facing 20 studies on gun self defense, and 27 years of actual gun ownership facts in the United States...now its "NRA.....NRA....."

Well they deny any links emphatically, to be sure, they protest too much methinks. You keep telling us these studies are in some way factual, yet when you read them you get a wide range of results all based on guesswork and extrapolation. None of those studies present facts, just best guesses and estimates. Without effective gun control and record keeping, that's all you will ever have.

They all present high numbers of defensive gun use..

No they don't. They represent a number of opinions, as there is no objective record kept of DGUs, this is all guesswork. There isn't even a standard definition of what constitutes defensive gun use.

Actual research conducted by actual professionals......but keep denying it.......that is all you have.

All you have is guesswork and extrapolation based on telephone interviews which may be made up, there's no way of telling. There are no facts presented in your so called "research". There is as much "research" out there that contradicts and debunks your "professionals" in any event. Without proper records, without gun control, all you will ever have is guesswork. Unfortunately you appear to be too much of a fanatic to grasp that, because to do so would burst your gun fantasy bubble.

Again...these are trained researchers from both private and government research groups....they used tried and true research techniques to look at the issue......you can't deny that, so you pretend their research doesn't count......

We know what you want with "proper records," which Germany, France, Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and other countries use to ban and confiscate guns........so no, we had gun crime go down as more Americans own and carry guns, nothing you believe about guns and gun ownership is even remotely true or accurate......

Your "trained researchers" merely used data modelling and manipulation techniques to advocate for their particular agenda. They stick an arrow in a three and paint a target around it, then shout bullseye! Your blind faith in your "researchers" is touching, but merely demonstrates your gullibility.

 

[2aguy]

20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

The discrepancies have nothing to do with access to guns...since as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our gun murder rate went down 49%. So you are completely wrong on that. You believe that past crime rates in Britain...before you imported violent 3rd world males into your country, who don't care about British traditions, culture and police, will remain that way, and that the low violence levels in Britain created by those traditions, culture and police are due to gun control...again, you are wrong.

Criminals in your country are importing more and more guns and they are becoming less and less concerned with the consequences for shooting each other........

 

[2aguy]

Oh, it was Kleck, not Lott. My bad. As I said I don't have access to my files at the moment, but the two are interchangeable. Both are NRA shills manipulating data based on "estimates" to pursue thair agendas. No facts, just best guesses.

Neither of them has any connection to the NRA you moron........but since you are facing 20 studies on gun self defense, and 27 years of actual gun ownership facts in the United States...now its "NRA.....NRA....."

Well they deny any links emphatically, to be sure, they protest too much methinks. You keep telling us these studies are in some way factual, yet when you read them you get a wide range of results all based on guesswork and extrapolation. None of those studies present facts, just best guesses and estimates. Without effective gun control and record keeping, that's all you will ever have.

They all present high numbers of defensive gun use..

No they don't. They represent a number of opinions, as there is no objective record kept of DGUs, this is all guesswork. There isn't even a standard definition of what constitutes defensive gun use.

Actual research conducted by actual professionals......but keep denying it.......that is all you have.

All you have is guesswork and extrapolation based on telephone interviews which may be made up, there's no way of telling. There are no facts presented in your so called "research". There is as much "research" out there that contradicts and debunks your "professionals" in any event. Without proper records, without gun control, all you will ever have is guesswork. Unfortunately you appear to be too much of a fanatic to grasp that, because to do so would burst your gun fantasy bubble.

Again...these are trained researchers from both private and government research groups....they used tried and true research techniques to look at the issue......you can't deny that, so you pretend their research doesn't count......

We know what you want with "proper records," which Germany, France, Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and other countries use to ban and confiscate guns........so no, we had gun crime go down as more Americans own and carry guns, nothing you believe about guns and gun ownership is even remotely true or accurate......

Your "trained researchers" merely used data modelling and manipulation techniques to advocate for their particular agenda. They stick an arrow in a three and paint a target around it, then shout bullseye! Your blind faith in your "researchers" is touching, but merely demonstrates your gullibility.

Wrong......the "particular agenda," of the majority of those researchers was to push gun control...in particular the Centers for Disease Control Research and the Department of Justice Research was conducted under the Clinton administration and in direct response to the work by Dr. Gary Kleck. He was also an anti-gun researcher at the time of his research. When the CDC and the Department of Justice......filled with anti-gun appointees by bill clinton, tried to debunk Kleck's work.....again, he was an anti-gun guy when he did it too........they found 1.1 million defensive gun uses in the CDC research and 1.5 million in the Department of Justice research......they found those numbers trying to prove your theory that gun self defense was a myth....and they found the exact opposite..

So your "Particular Agenda," point is wrong...since the "particular agenda," they were advocating for was to push gun control....

 

[Vagabond63]

20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

The discrepancies have nothing to do with access to guns...since as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our gun murder rate went down 49%. So you are completely wrong on that. You believe that past crime rates in Britain...before you imported violent 3rd world males into your country, who don't care about British traditions, culture and police, will remain that way, and that the low violence levels in Britain created by those traditions, culture and police are due to gun control...again, you are wrong.

Criminals in your country are importing more and more guns and they are becoming less and less concerned with the consequences for shooting each other........

Of course they do, if you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone! Your decline in gun crime and murder rates were due to many socio-economic factors that I've covered before, gun ownership was never a factor. If only because without gun control you have no idea of how many people own guns in the first place!
What third world males are you waffling on about? Most grateful n crime on the UK is perpetrated by native criminal gangs.

 

[2aguy]

20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

The discrepancies have nothing to do with access to guns...since as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our gun murder rate went down 49%. So you are completely wrong on that. You believe that past crime rates in Britain...before you imported violent 3rd world males into your country, who don't care about British traditions, culture and police, will remain that way, and that the low violence levels in Britain created by those traditions, culture and police are due to gun control...again, you are wrong.

Criminals in your country are importing more and more guns and they are becoming less and less concerned with the consequences for shooting each other........

Of course they do, if you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone! Your decline in gun crime and murder rates were due to many socio-economic factors that I've covered before, gun ownership was never a factor. If only because without gun control you have no idea of how many people own guns in the first place!
What third world males are you waffling on about? Most grateful n crime on the UK is perpetrated by native criminal gangs.

Again, you are playing stupid, really stupid...

Your argument is that more guns will create more gun crime. That is your argument......

In the United States, regardless of any other factor, as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate did not go up....in fact, it went down, dramatically.....as lots and lots of Americans owned and carried their legal guns....


That is the exact opposite of what you say would happen.....your argument isn't that more guns = more gun crime with more socioeconomic factors........ your argument is the simple addition of more guns into a society will mean more gun crime...

This means that normal people who own and carry guns do not cause gun crime to increase, no matter how many normal people own and carry those guns....

That means that gun control is stupid....because it doesn't stop criminals, and only makes it harder, for people who don't use their legal guns for crime, to get a gun for no good reason.

You say more guns = more gun crime.....regardless of any other factors....

And the exact opposite happened.......

In Science, when you predict one thing is going to happen but the exact opposite happens, that means your theory is completely wrong....

We know how many guns are bought each year, we know how many were bought in the past.......and as more of them were bought and carried our gun murder rate went down 49%


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The drug gangs in Britain are coming under the control of foriegn immigrant gangs......

London has become a hotbed of international criminals - from Albanian cocaine kingpins and African street gangsters to Turkish Cypriots known for robberies and contract killings.
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And experts tell Sun Online the situation in London is only escalating - as the UK's £11 billion drugs trade and other illicit markets have become more powerful and international in recent years.

"We’ve observed a rise of internationally-affiliated gangs controlling illegal trade and organised criminal activity in areas of London and across county borders surrounding London and further afield," says top London-based defence solicitor Nick Titchener.

On one residential street in Walthamstow - home to the notorious Somali 'Mali Boys' gang - families have been left so terrified by bloody gang warfare they refuse to go out at night.

How brutal foreign gangs have carved up London fuelled by cocaine epidemic

TWO shameless Chilean gangsters pose in gold necklaces after jetting into Britain and ransacking celebrity chef Marcus Wareing’s £5 million London home. Their brazenness is shocking – …

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[HenryBHough]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

 

[Vagabond63]

20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

The discrepancies have nothing to do with access to guns...since as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our gun murder rate went down 49%. So you are completely wrong on that. You believe that past crime rates in Britain...before you imported violent 3rd world males into your country, who don't care about British traditions, culture and police, will remain that way, and that the low violence levels in Britain created by those traditions, culture and police are due to gun control...again, you are wrong.

Criminals in your country are importing more and more guns and they are becoming less and less concerned with the consequences for shooting each other........

Of course they do, if you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone! Your decline in gun crime and murder rates were due to many socio-economic factors that I've covered before, gun ownership was never a factor. If only because without gun control you have no idea of how many people own guns in the first place!
What third world males are you waffling on about? Most grateful n crime on the UK is perpetrated by native criminal gangs.

Again, you are playing stupid, really stupid...

Your argument is that more guns will create more gun crime. That is your argument......

In the United States, regardless of any other factor, as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate did not go up....in fact, it went down, dramatically.....as lots and lots of Americans owned and carried their legal guns....


That is the exact opposite of what you say would happen.....your argument isn't that more guns = more gun crime with more socioeconomic factors........ your argument is the simple addition of more guns into a society will mean more gun crime...

This means that normal people who own and carry guns do not cause gun crime to increase, no matter how many normal people own and carry those guns....

That means that gun control is stupid....because it doesn't stop criminals, and only makes it harder, for people who don't use their legal guns for crime, to get a gun for no good reason.

You say more guns = more gun crime.....regardless of any other factors....

And the exact opposite happened.......

In Science, when you predict one thing is going to happen but the exact opposite happens, that means your theory is completely wrong....

We know how many guns are bought each year, we know how many were bought in the past.......and as more of them were bought and carried our gun murder rate went down 49%


-----
The drug gangs in Britain are coming under the control of foriegn immigrant gangs......

London has become a hotbed of international criminals - from Albanian cocaine kingpins and African street gangsters to Turkish Cypriots known for robberies and contract killings.
---
And experts tell Sun Online the situation in London is only escalating - as the UK's £11 billion drugs trade and other illicit markets have become more powerful and international in recent years.

"We’ve observed a rise of internationally-affiliated gangs controlling illegal trade and organised criminal activity in areas of London and across county borders surrounding London and further afield," says top London-based defence solicitor Nick Titchener.

On one residential street in Walthamstow - home to the notorious Somali 'Mali Boys' gang - families have been left so terrified by bloody gang warfare they refuse to go out at night.

How brutal foreign gangs have carved up London fuelled by cocaine epidemic

TWO shameless Chilean gangsters pose in gold necklaces after jetting into Britain and ransacking celebrity chef Marcus Wareing’s £5 million London home. Their brazenness is shocking – …

www.thesun.co.uk

Oh good grief. A classic post hoc fallacy, and another pathetic attempt to create an "argument" I have never made. Your desperation is becoming more and more evident, you're even reduced to citing the Sun newspaper, which even Wikipedia rejects as a credible source! ROFL

 

[Parker99]

More shootings in gun free Britain...

A man is in a serious condition in hospital following a double shooting in South London.

Police rushed to Rollins Street in New Cross shortly after 4am this morning (Friday, August 7).

At the scene they found a man, aged 27, with two gunshot wounds - one to his chest and another to his body.

He was treated at the scene by paramedics from London Ambulance Service before being taken to hospital, where he remains in a serious, but stable, condition.

At around 4.30am a second man attended hospital with a gunshot wound to his hand. His condition is non life-threatening.

The investigation is being led by detectives from the Met's Specialist Crime Command.

Updates as man in serious condition after South London double shooting

Police were called to Rollins Street shortly after 4am this morning

www.mylondon.news

Criminal on criminal event, therefore doesn't count by your rules.

You did not say how many gun crimes are people getting guns of the street from the black market vs buying guns at the gun store in the UK vs the US.

 

[Vagabond63]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

 

[Vagabond63]

More shootings in gun free Britain...

A man is in a serious condition in hospital following a double shooting in South London.

Police rushed to Rollins Street in New Cross shortly after 4am this morning (Friday, August 7).

At the scene they found a man, aged 27, with two gunshot wounds - one to his chest and another to his body.

He was treated at the scene by paramedics from London Ambulance Service before being taken to hospital, where he remains in a serious, but stable, condition.

At around 4.30am a second man attended hospital with a gunshot wound to his hand. His condition is non life-threatening.

The investigation is being led by detectives from the Met's Specialist Crime Command.

Updates as man in serious condition after South London double shooting

Police were called to Rollins Street shortly after 4am this morning

www.mylondon.news

Criminal on criminal event, therefore doesn't count by your rules.

You did not say how many gun crimes are people getting guns of the street from the black market vs buying guns at the gun store in the UK vs the US.

Don't understand your question, care to clarify?

 

[2aguy]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.

 

[2aguy]

20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

The discrepancies have nothing to do with access to guns...since as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our gun murder rate went down 49%. So you are completely wrong on that. You believe that past crime rates in Britain...before you imported violent 3rd world males into your country, who don't care about British traditions, culture and police, will remain that way, and that the low violence levels in Britain created by those traditions, culture and police are due to gun control...again, you are wrong.

Criminals in your country are importing more and more guns and they are becoming less and less concerned with the consequences for shooting each other........

Of course they do, if you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone! Your decline in gun crime and murder rates were due to many socio-economic factors that I've covered before, gun ownership was never a factor. If only because without gun control you have no idea of how many people own guns in the first place!
What third world males are you waffling on about? Most grateful n crime on the UK is perpetrated by native criminal gangs.

Again, you are playing stupid, really stupid...

Your argument is that more guns will create more gun crime. That is your argument......

In the United States, regardless of any other factor, as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate did not go up....in fact, it went down, dramatically.....as lots and lots of Americans owned and carried their legal guns....


That is the exact opposite of what you say would happen.....your argument isn't that more guns = more gun crime with more socioeconomic factors........ your argument is the simple addition of more guns into a society will mean more gun crime...

This means that normal people who own and carry guns do not cause gun crime to increase, no matter how many normal people own and carry those guns....

That means that gun control is stupid....because it doesn't stop criminals, and only makes it harder, for people who don't use their legal guns for crime, to get a gun for no good reason.

You say more guns = more gun crime.....regardless of any other factors....

And the exact opposite happened.......

In Science, when you predict one thing is going to happen but the exact opposite happens, that means your theory is completely wrong....

We know how many guns are bought each year, we know how many were bought in the past.......and as more of them were bought and carried our gun murder rate went down 49%


-----
The drug gangs in Britain are coming under the control of foriegn immigrant gangs......

London has become a hotbed of international criminals - from Albanian cocaine kingpins and African street gangsters to Turkish Cypriots known for robberies and contract killings.
---
And experts tell Sun Online the situation in London is only escalating - as the UK's £11 billion drugs trade and other illicit markets have become more powerful and international in recent years.

"We’ve observed a rise of internationally-affiliated gangs controlling illegal trade and organised criminal activity in areas of London and across county borders surrounding London and further afield," says top London-based defence solicitor Nick Titchener.

On one residential street in Walthamstow - home to the notorious Somali 'Mali Boys' gang - families have been left so terrified by bloody gang warfare they refuse to go out at night.

How brutal foreign gangs have carved up London fuelled by cocaine epidemic

TWO shameless Chilean gangsters pose in gold necklaces after jetting into Britain and ransacking celebrity chef Marcus Wareing’s £5 million London home. Their brazenness is shocking – …

www.thesun.co.uk

Oh good grief. A classic post hoc fallacy, and another pathetic attempt to create an "argument" I have never made. Your desperation is becoming more and more evident, you're even reduced to citing the Sun newspaper, which even Wikipedia rejects as a credible source! ROFL

Moron...how about the vaunted BBC, you twit...

Violent Albanian criminal groups are exerting "considerable control" over the drug trafficking market in the UK, a law enforcement report has said.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) said it was increasingly concerned by what it called the Albanians' "high-profile influence within UK organised crime".
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Officials said the gangs were characterised by their readiness to resort to serious violence.

London is their "primary hub", the report says, but they are established across the UK.

NCA deputy director general Matthew Horne said: "It's very much a group that's small in number but big in impact.

"We have seen an emergence of violence, particularly around enforcing the drug trade, in this group."

The report also said that Serbian and Turkish crime groups "dominate high volume maritime cocaine logistics", while Turkish and Pakistani groups "continue to dominate heroin trafficking to the UK".

Albanian gangs 'controlling' UK drug trafficking market

The National Crime Agency says it is increasingly concerned, in the agency's annual assessment.

www.bbc.com

The report, written by a Met assistant commissioner, also reveals that a "significant number" of the gang members arrested for gun violence are illegal immigrants.

The document was compiled for the MPA in the wake of growing fears over gun and knife crime. But it also spotlights a list of shocking crimes committed by refugees who have fled to Britain. No specific incidents are listed, but those recently committed include killings by Roberto Malasi, who grew up in the troubled Democratic Republic of Congo.
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David Green, director of the Civitas thinktank, said: "We are importing 15, 16, 17 and 18-year-olds brought up in countries with an anarchistic warlord culture in which carrying knives and guns is routine.

"That is no exaggeration. We are asking for trouble if we do not confront this issue, and co-ordinate Government policy properly." He claimed "squeamishness" was preventing the Government or the police tackling the issue.

"If people come from a culture which is anarchistic, they are more likely to be violent, but the police will be frightened to target these people.

"The fear is that it would be called stereotyping. Actually, it is a valid group generalisation."

Immigrants from war-torn countries 'fuelling gang crime'

An influx of immigrants from violent countries is contributing to gang warfare, police have warned.

www.standard.co.uk

 

[2aguy]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

Moron...

The Home Office has granted the Community Security Trust (CST) £14 million for security measures to help keep members of the Jewish community safe in their daily lives.

The grant will cover protective security for the next financial year at Jewish institutions such as schools and synagogues.

Home Office grants £14 million funding for security at Jewish institutions

The Home Office has provided the Community Security Trust to provide security measures at Jewish schools and synagogues.

www.gov.uk

 

[Vagabond63]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

Moron...

The Home Office has granted the Community Security Trust (CST) £14 million for security measures to help keep members of the Jewish community safe in their daily lives.

The grant will cover protective security for the next financial year at Jewish institutions such as schools and synagogues.

Home Office grants £14 million funding for security at Jewish institutions

The Home Office has provided the Community Security Trust to provide security measures at Jewish schools and synagogues.

www.gov.uk

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20 year old man gunned down in gun free Britain...

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

The investigation comes after police - including armed officers - and London Ambulance Service paramedics were called to reports of a shooting in Hansel Road, NW6, shortly after midnight on Wednesday.

A man, believed to be aged in his twenties, was found to have been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, the Metropolitan Police said in a statement.

Murder probe after man in 20s shot in north-west London

A murder probe has been launched after a man was shot in north-west London.

www.standard.co.uk

Probably a blue on blue targeted assassination. Sad but irrelevant to this discussion.

No...this is about the failure of British gun control laws to stop criminals from getting illegal guns....on an island......with extreme gun control........

*sigh* Name me one law in the history of the world that has never been broken? The purpose of gun control is to make society as safe as possible for the majority. Given the huge discrepancies between our gun crime figures and those in the US. Gun control works.

The discrepancies have nothing to do with access to guns...since as more Americans own and carry guns our gun crime rate went down 75%.....our gun murder rate went down 49%. So you are completely wrong on that. You believe that past crime rates in Britain...before you imported violent 3rd world males into your country, who don't care about British traditions, culture and police, will remain that way, and that the low violence levels in Britain created by those traditions, culture and police are due to gun control...again, you are wrong.

Criminals in your country are importing more and more guns and they are becoming less and less concerned with the consequences for shooting each other........

Of course they do, if you don't have a gun, you can't shoot someone! Your decline in gun crime and murder rates were due to many socio-economic factors that I've covered before, gun ownership was never a factor. If only because without gun control you have no idea of how many people own guns in the first place!
What third world males are you waffling on about? Most grateful n crime on the UK is perpetrated by native criminal gangs.

Again, you are playing stupid, really stupid...

Your argument is that more guns will create more gun crime. That is your argument......

In the United States, regardless of any other factor, as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate did not go up....in fact, it went down, dramatically.....as lots and lots of Americans owned and carried their legal guns....


That is the exact opposite of what you say would happen.....your argument isn't that more guns = more gun crime with more socioeconomic factors........ your argument is the simple addition of more guns into a society will mean more gun crime...

This means that normal people who own and carry guns do not cause gun crime to increase, no matter how many normal people own and carry those guns....

That means that gun control is stupid....because it doesn't stop criminals, and only makes it harder, for people who don't use their legal guns for crime, to get a gun for no good reason.

You say more guns = more gun crime.....regardless of any other factors....

And the exact opposite happened.......

In Science, when you predict one thing is going to happen but the exact opposite happens, that means your theory is completely wrong....

We know how many guns are bought each year, we know how many were bought in the past.......and as more of them were bought and carried our gun murder rate went down 49%


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The drug gangs in Britain are coming under the control of foriegn immigrant gangs......

London has become a hotbed of international criminals - from Albanian cocaine kingpins and African street gangsters to Turkish Cypriots known for robberies and contract killings.
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And experts tell Sun Online the situation in London is only escalating - as the UK's £11 billion drugs trade and other illicit markets have become more powerful and international in recent years.

"We’ve observed a rise of internationally-affiliated gangs controlling illegal trade and organised criminal activity in areas of London and across county borders surrounding London and further afield," says top London-based defence solicitor Nick Titchener.

On one residential street in Walthamstow - home to the notorious Somali 'Mali Boys' gang - families have been left so terrified by bloody gang warfare they refuse to go out at night.

How brutal foreign gangs have carved up London fuelled by cocaine epidemic

TWO shameless Chilean gangsters pose in gold necklaces after jetting into Britain and ransacking celebrity chef Marcus Wareing’s £5 million London home. Their brazenness is shocking – …

www.thesun.co.uk

Oh good grief. A classic post hoc fallacy, and another pathetic attempt to create an "argument" I have never made. Your desperation is becoming more and more evident, you're even reduced to citing the Sun newspaper, which even Wikipedia rejects as a credible source! ROFL

Moron...how about the vaunted BBC, you twit...

Violent Albanian criminal groups are exerting "considerable control" over the drug trafficking market in the UK, a law enforcement report has said.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) said it was increasingly concerned by what it called the Albanians' "high-profile influence within UK organised crime".
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Officials said the gangs were characterised by their readiness to resort to serious violence.

London is their "primary hub", the report says, but they are established across the UK.

NCA deputy director general Matthew Horne said: "It's very much a group that's small in number but big in impact.

"We have seen an emergence of violence, particularly around enforcing the drug trade, in this group."

The report also said that Serbian and Turkish crime groups "dominate high volume maritime cocaine logistics", while Turkish and Pakistani groups "continue to dominate heroin trafficking to the UK".

Albanian gangs 'controlling' UK drug trafficking market

The National Crime Agency says it is increasingly concerned, in the agency's annual assessment.

www.bbc.com

The report, written by a Met assistant commissioner, also reveals that a "significant number" of the gang members arrested for gun violence are illegal immigrants.

The document was compiled for the MPA in the wake of growing fears over gun and knife crime. But it also spotlights a list of shocking crimes committed by refugees who have fled to Britain. No specific incidents are listed, but those recently committed include killings by Roberto Malasi, who grew up in the troubled Democratic Republic of Congo.
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David Green, director of the Civitas thinktank, said: "We are importing 15, 16, 17 and 18-year-olds brought up in countries with an anarchistic warlord culture in which carrying knives and guns is routine.

"That is no exaggeration. We are asking for trouble if we do not confront this issue, and co-ordinate Government policy properly." He claimed "squeamishness" was preventing the Government or the police tackling the issue.

"If people come from a culture which is anarchistic, they are more likely to be violent, but the police will be frightened to target these people.

"The fear is that it would be called stereotyping. Actually, it is a valid group generalisation."

Immigrants from war-torn countries 'fuelling gang crime'

An influx of immigrants from violent countries is contributing to gang warfare, police have warned.

www.standard.co.uk

When you get past the media hype, you find that these Albanians form less than 1% of the criminal underworld in the UK. True, they are well organised and violent, but they are a tiny minority. Interestingly enough more Albanian asylum seekers have been rejected and deported than any other group. So while they shouldn't be ignored we need to keep a sense of proportion. Same applies to Turkish and other minority groups. Fear mongering, your strong suit, does not work over here. Our police are more than capable of handling the situation. No need to give everyone guns here. Not needed. Gun control works fine here.

 

[Vagabond63]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

Moron...

The Home Office has granted the Community Security Trust (CST) £14 million for security measures to help keep members of the Jewish community safe in their daily lives.

The grant will cover protective security for the next financial year at Jewish institutions such as schools and synagogues.

Home Office grants £14 million funding for security at Jewish institutions

The Home Office has provided the Community Security Trust to provide security measures at Jewish schools and synagogues.

www.gov.uk

None of that grant is for armed guards. In the UK armed protection is allocated by the Government depending on perceived terrorist threat levels. We still have a far less gun massacres over here.

 

[Vagabond63]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.

This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.

 

[2aguy]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.

This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.

Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)



Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)

 

[2aguy]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

Moron...

The Home Office has granted the Community Security Trust (CST) £14 million for security measures to help keep members of the Jewish community safe in their daily lives.

The grant will cover protective security for the next financial year at Jewish institutions such as schools and synagogues.

Home Office grants £14 million funding for security at Jewish institutions

The Home Office has provided the Community Security Trust to provide security measures at Jewish schools and synagogues.

www.gov.uk

None of that grant is for armed guards. In the UK armed protection is allocated by the Government depending on perceived terrorist threat levels. We still have a far less gun massacres over here.

When your societal decay reaches the point where your nuts decide to commit mass public shootings, they are going to commit mass public shootings and your gun control laws will not stop them.......

 

[2aguy]

It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.

Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.

Moron...

The Home Office has granted the Community Security Trust (CST) £14 million for security measures to help keep members of the Jewish community safe in their daily lives.

The grant will cover protective security for the next financial year at Jewish institutions such as schools and synagogues.

Home Office grants £14 million funding for security at Jewish institutions

The Home Office has provided the Community Security Trust to provide security measures at Jewish schools and synagogues.

www.gov.uk

None of that grant is for armed guards. In the UK armed protection is allocated by the Government depending on perceived terrorist threat levels. We still have a far less gun massacres over here.

You are a moron...

When European Jews gather in synagogues to pray for the Pittsburgh congregation attacked last Saturday, many will do so under the watch of armed security contractors and community guards stationed by the entrance to prevent a copycat attempt.

It is a longstanding feature of Jewish life on the Continent.

For years, and, in some cases, decades,...

For Europe’s Jews, Worship Comes With a Heavy Dose of Security

For years, and, in some cases, decades, Europe’s Jewish congregations have called on a mix of private guards, volunteers and local police to safeguard their synagogues, a stark reminder on how unsafe many of the Continent’s one million Jews feel.

www.wsj.com

he government is to pick up the cost of providing security guards at Jewish faith schools in England amid concerns about anti-semitic threats to pupils.

At the moment, parents of children at 39 state-funded Jewish schools in England pay £1.6m towards the cost of enhanced measures like security guards.

Ministers have decided to foot the bill to ensure children and staff "feel safe" and can concentrate on studying.

They say they will look at the case for similar help for other faith schools.

Government to pay for security guards at Jewish schools

The government is to pick up the cost of providing security guards at Jewish faith schools in England amid concerns about anti-semitic threats to pupils.

www.bbc.com

Armed officers are being deployed to protect Jewish people during religious holidays, as part of an operation led by counterterror police.

Scotland Yard said it had no “intelligence about a specific threat” but was taking precautions as worshippers marked the Jewish new year, Yom Kippur and other festivals over coming weeks.

Security is being heightened around synagogues and other key sites amid “reassurance” patrols that will run up until 2 October.

Armed police deployed in counterterror operation to protect synagogues during Jewish holidays

Police brace for potential increase in hate crimes during religious holidays

www.independent.co.uk