Shootings in Britain

What I find most grotesque is that 3 or more people have to actually die before the incident is classed as a mass shooting, so all the wounded somehow don't matter? A mass shooting is a mass shooting, regardless of how many die. The USA, rose from barbarism to decadence, but never made it to civilisation, sad.
 
It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.


The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.


Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)




Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.


No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.

Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....

Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.

Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......

You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.

You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.

Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...

Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....
 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------




.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======


'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


Wrong.....that is wrong.

You are mixing mass public shootings with regular crime.

When normal people have their guns in the middle of a mass public shooting, they are 94% successful at stopping the attack or limiting the deaths and injuries.

The number you are mixing up is the 1.1 million times a year normal people use their guns for common rapists, robbers and murderers....from the Centers for Disease control....

Two different categories of crime and responses....

.....we are talking mass public shootings....and from the examples, they are not all ex anything......you are lying...

Again....normal people have a 94% success rate......using guns is not that difficult.
 
What I find most grotesque is that 3 or more people have to actually die before the incident is classed as a mass shooting, so all the wounded somehow don't matter? A mass shooting is a mass shooting, regardless of how many die. The USA, rose from barbarism to decadence, but never made it to civilisation, sad.


No.....a mass public shooting is different from a gang member shooting up a rival gang's block party.....different motivations, different solutions to the problem.

To stop gang members, who have long histories of crime and violence who can't legally buy, own or carry guns.........you keep them locked up instead of releasing them over and over again the way the democrat party releases violent, repeat gun offenders...over and over again.

For mass public shooters who usually have no criminal history and the only crime they commit is the actual attack.....you stop them through intelligence...people reporting them to the police.......and by getting rid of gun free zones...since they target gun free zones as their preferred targets.......

Different crimes, different perpetrators, different solutions...

This is why you aren't right about anything, you don't understand the issues.
 
Oh, as for lawnmower deaths, if you Yanks can't even drive lawnmowers, do you really think you can be trusted with real weapons?


Yes, we should ban lawn mowers....they kill more people year than AR-15 rifles.
 
It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.


The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.


Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
----

Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)




Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.


No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.

Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....

Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.

Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......

You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.

You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.


You do realize your Catholics, way back when, banned and confiscated guns from your protestants before they butchered them...right?
 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------




.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======



Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



-------------

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======


'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


Stephen Wileford....Plumber......

“I’m a plumber,” Willeford said to the stranger, smiling.

Growing up, Willeford worked at a local dairy owned by his family. “I squeezed more tits before I was eight than you will your whole life,” he likes to joke.

 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------




.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
=======



Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



-------------

British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======


'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


Here......this is a collection of normal people saving lives from common rapists, robbers and murderers...please tell me how they can do what they did with their guns while they are not Navy SEALs or members of a SWAT team....

The first one is one of my favorites....a life saved from rape or rape and murder thrown in......

In your country she would have been raped.......likely murdered...

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


Now...for more Americans using their legal guns to save themselves and others from rape, robbery and murder.....

'I had to take care of things': Gun-wielding Texas mother scares off intruder
The family does not want to be identified, but wanted to share the story in hope that awareness can help in similar situations.

The mother was at home with the family's 3-month-old daughter Thursday night. Her husband was out of town working, but was coming home Friday to celebrate the first Christmas with their daughter.

After tossing and turning in bed for a while, the mother was not able to fall asleep and went to the living room around 11:30 p.m.

About an hour later, she heard the home alarm beep and her back door open.

Her instinct kicked in.

"I froze for a second and then I realized I needed to spring into action, I mean, I had my baby in the house. I was alone. My husband was away on business, so I had to take care of things," she said.

She grabbed a gun and went towards the back door, where she found a man standing in her kitchen.

She yelled at the man while pointing the gun at him, and her dog ran towards him, scaring him out of the back door.

She locked the door and called 911.
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/22/suspect-puts-gun-mans-head-gets-shot/

A suspect put a gun to a man’s head on Thursday only to flee under a barrage of bullets after the would-be victim pulled his own gun and opened fire.

The incident occurred in Philadelphia’s West Oak Lane.

According to 6 ABC, Rahkeim Kelly was “headed home from buying a soda” when the suspect in a hoodie approached and put a gun to his head. Kelly managed to move away quickly, take cover behind a car, draw his own gun, and open fire.

The suspect, 22-year-old Osirus Lester, fled the scene.

Kelly said, “I fired two shots first, then he tried to take off running. I fired one more, then he ended up dropping the gun. He ran off and I just went and secured the weapon.”
Lester was arrested within minutes with a gunshot wound to his wrist.

Philadelphia Police Capt. Sekou Kinnebrew said, “[Kelly] does have a valid permit to carry. We checked that out. He’s the victim of a robbery. He did attempt to retreat, taking cover behind a car. But the offender continued to aggress, and (the victim) had to defend himself.”
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11/25/17
Auto shop employees credited with taking down accused Rockledge gunman

ROCKLEDGE — A man armed with a .45-caliber handgun and a lot of ammunition wandered onto an auto repair shop property and began firing in the parking lot Friday afternoon, police said.

The gunman killed one employee and paralyzed a second. That's when the employees at Schlenker Automotive fought back with equal force, Rockledge police chief Joseph La Sata said.

"The manager, who was a concealed weapons permit holder, came out and engaged in gunfire in the parking lot," La Sata said. "The manager fled back inside the building, being chased by the gunman. Another Schlenker employee, who also had concealed weapons permit, engaged in gunfire with the suspect."

Police said the suspect in the homicide is Robert Lorenzo Bailey Jr., 28, of Cocoa. He was shot twice and was in critical condition at Health First's Holmes Regional Medical Center in Melbourne. Officers are keeping him under watch.
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11/15/17

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/good-guy-gun-stops-sex-assault-hiking-trail

According to The Blaze, Josh Williams, 39, nearly left his handgun at home when heading out to the hiking trail on a dark morning back in September, but he felt the nagging sensation that he should take it anyway. That turned out to be the right call because while on the trail at 5:30 a.m., Williams heard a woman scream loud enough to get past his music-blaring earbuds.

In the darkness, Williams shined his flashlight and discovered a woman being sexually assaulted and approached the perpetrator.

“I came up, pulled my gun and told him to get off of her,” Williams recalled. He then asked the man to get on his knees and asked to see his hands: “That way I knew he didn’t have a weapon. And at that point he was no threat, so I didn’t feel the need to shoot him.”

The perp ran away but thanks to a good description from both the victim and Williams, police were able to later apprehend 22-year-old Richard McEachern and charge him with sexual assault.

The victim was very glad Williams decided to carry that day and used a gun to save her from a dangerous situation. That was the first time Williams ever pointed his weapon at another person, but it confirmed for him the importance of the Second Amendment:

“It’s dark, and I don’t know what’s out there, so I have it to protect myself and other people. That’s what it’s all about anyway — to help other people with it, not just myself.
“I didn’t think I’d ever have to pull it. Did I want to? No, not at all. But just … right place, right time.”
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11/11/17

81-year-old homeowner fatally shoots armed robber

A suspect was shot and killed when he tried to rob an 81-year-old man at gunpoint outside of the man’s home in Genoa, Arkansas, on Thursday afternoon.

Buddy Cates told KSLA that he walked outside of his home around 1:30 p.m. and came face to face with the suspect, who authorities are still working to identify.

Cates said the suspect was holding a “big pistol,” but Cates also had his hand in his pocket, gripping his own gun.

“The battle was one,” Cates recalled, noting that, between the two, at least a dozen shots were fired.

“Whoever got the biggest gun and fastest will be boss when it is all said and done,” Cates said. “In this case, it was me.”

Cates was uninjured, but the suspect died after he was taken to a hospital in Texarkana, not far from Cates’ home.

After the attempted robbery and subsequent shooting, three women were arrested in connection to the crime, according to reports from the Texarkana Gazette. Kiana Keshaun Montgomery, 21; Shaynesha Martin, 19; and Ke’Erica Turner, 20, are all facing charges for aggravated robbery and are being held at the Miller County Detention Center. Authorities did not say what part the women played in the robbery or whether they are believed to be responsible for other crimes.


11/4/17

Walmart shooting, where good guys didn't shoot

Colorado Walmart's Armed Innocents Hampered Police. Or Not. - The Truth About Guns

First, the police weren’t on scene when the killer fired his gun; they arrived after the perp had escaped. Second, the armed good guys didn’t shoot other armed good guys (no shots were fired by anyone other than the bad guy). And third, other reports indicate that the killer scarpered after he caught sight of armed opposition.


Given these facts one could easily argue that armed defenders prevented greater loss of life. And that all the anti-gun rights hysteria about the presence of armed innocents making\ cops’ jobs harder is a bunch of horsesh*t. I mean, how exactly did these armed Americans threaten public safety?

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Nine-point-nine times out of ten, the police are not the first responders to an act of violence. The innocent people being attacked are the first responders. The idea that they should be disarmed to make it easier for armed police to respond — most often after the fact — is to say that it’s OK to sacrifice innocent life on the altar of imagined efficiency. It isn’t.

Besides, as National Association for Gun Rights Prez Dudley Brown told the Times, “In that situation, what are people supposed to do? Lay down on the floor and draw chalk marks around themselves?”
 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


And more....... you would prefer these victims get raped, robbed or murdered, rather than use their legal guns to stop these attacks.........

Dallas Homeowner's Story Proves Why Private Citizens Need Guns

For one Dallas homeowner, however, the nightmare became reality.

A man that police believe intended to rob a Lake Highlands home was shot early Monday morning.

It happened in the 9500 block of Moss Farm Lane near Abrams Road and Royal Lane.

The homeowner said the man first rang his doorbell around 5 a.m. He apologized for being at the wrong home and left.

A few minutes later the man came back, kicked in the door and forced his way inside. But the homeowner had a gun and opened fire, police said.

Neighbors said they heard about a half a dozen shots. When responding officers arrived they found the wounded suspect in the street. The suspect was taken to the hospital in critical condition. He is expected to survive, police said.


The homeowner and his wife were reportedly unhurt and are cooperating with investigators, which is to be expected. After all, it rarely gets to be a more clear case of self-defense than that. I mean, the suspect reportedly knew the house was occupied, yet busted the door in just the same. It’s not an unreasonable assumption to believe that he allegedly entered that home with harmful intent.

And he was shot for his troubles.

Now, he gets to recover from his wounds and contemplate his life choices that led him to get shot in some stranger’s house simply because he apparently thought he had the right to bust into someone else’s home. If he’s smart, he’ll realize he’s fortunate to be alive and seek the path of redemption.

10/20/17

Good guy with a gun stops kidnapping

It was habit, not heroism, that caused Justin Pearson to grab his gun.

But seconds later, that weapon enabled Pearson to stop a kidnapping taking place just outside his Las Vegas home on Oct. 5.

“We heard this real loud noise outside,” said Pearson, 36. “I opened up the door, and this big BMW goes flying by — 60 mph in a 25 mph zone. I dialed 911 immediately.”

As he always does before leaving his house, Pearson, a concealed-carry weapon permit holder, put his pistol on his hip. The 911 operator asked for a license plate number, so Pearson moved down the street to get it.

“He had lost control of the car and almost went into a house at the end of the street,” Pearson said. The BMW then turned around and stopped in front of a neighbor’s yard, where a 6-year-old boy was standing.

“About 50 yards in front of me, the driver grabs this young child and starts stuffing him in the car,” Pearson said.

“‘Holy crap, he just took a child, and he’s trying to stuff him into the car!’” Pearson remembers telling the operator.

Pearson is 6-foot-4 but makes a beanpole look stocky. The kidnapper, Pearson recalls, was a similar height, but was a “solid” 250 pounds.

“He was a very big dude, and I’m not a menacing person by any means,” Pearson said. “I don’t think I could have physically stopped the guy. It would have been super ugly if it was just me versus him.”

Fortunately, Pearson had a trump card — a Heckler & Koch VP9 pistol legally resting on his right hip.


“I carry a concealed firearm everywhere I go,” Pearson said. “I lifted up my shirt and put my hand on my gun.”

“‘Hey, stop!’ I said, real loud. He turned and looked at me. There was just enough of a delay for the kid to get out of the car. I know he saw the firearm.”

With the boy out of the car and an armed citizen staring him down, the man decided to drive away. Pearson and his still-holstered pistol stopped a kidnapping. Police wouldn’t arrive for 17 minutes.

“If I didn’t have a firearm, I don’t think there’s much I could have done,” Pearson said.

A Metropolitan Police Department spokeswoman confirmed many of the details in Pearson’s story, including the date, time and location. Pearson said — and Metro confirmed — that the would-be kidnapper was the boy’s biological father, who didn’t have parental rights or permission to take the child.

This isn’t the first time Pearson has used a firearm to stop a crime.

“Many years ago, I was carrying and a guy pulled a knife on a friend of mine,” Pearson said. “I quickly drew my firearm, and the kid ran away.”


These kinds of stories rarely make the news. But they happen more often than we realize and underscore an important point. Concealed-carry weapon permit holders prevent crimes.

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10/16/17

Attacker with knife flees after woman reveals her concealed carry gun, police say

A woman in Illinois was reportedly able to protect herself with her concealed carry firearm after a stranger with a knife jumped into her car.

Police said a woman who was parked near a shopping mall in Moline on Sunday was attacked by a man who fought his way into her car, according to WQAD 8.

During the fight, the man reportedly slashed the woman’s arm with a knife. He then ordered the woman to drive to Rock Island County, a rural area, according to police.
DC GUN-FREE ZONES CAUSE CONFUSION OVER LEGALITY OF GUN CARRY EVEN WITH A PERMIT

Once the woman stopped the car, she was able to reach her gun, which she had a concealed carry firearm permit for, WQAD 8 reported.

After the attacker saw the weapon, he reportedly ran off and she was able to drive herself to the hospital.

Police subsequently opened an investigation and arrested Floyd R. May, 61.

May was charged with aggravated kidnapping, aggravated battery with a weapon, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and aggravated assault.

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10/11/17

Woman stabbed shoots and kills attacker...

Fatal Lawndale shooting ruled self-defense, woman not charged

A woman who shot a man after he stabbed her multiple times Thursday afternoon in Lawndale acted in self-defense and will not be charged, police said.

About 4:05 p.m. Oct. 5, the 25-year-old man was shot in the chest when he stabbed the 25-year-old woman multiple times in the 4000 block of West 21st Street, Chicago Police said.

The woman was taken in serious condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, and the man was pronounced dead at the scene at 4:48 p.m., authorities said.

The Cook County medical examiner’s office identified him as Pleasure Cardell Singleton Jr.

The stabbing was believed to be a domestic incident, police said, but the nature of the relationship between the two wasn’t released.
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9/25/17


Would-be robber fatally shot by resident after forcing family into basement

A man was shot and killed inside a home in Hammond, Indiana, Friday morning while attempting to rob the residents.

According to a statement from the Hammond Police Department, the suspect, who has not been publicly identified, entered the home through the front door around 7:30 a.m. The suspect said he knew of a safe in the basement of the home and announced a robbery while threatening the residents with the firearm.

The suspect then forced three residents into the basement, but unbeknown to the would-be robber, there was a fourth resident inside the house as well. The fourth resident retrieved a handgun, and when the suspect came out of the basement and walked into the kitchen, he shot the suspect multiple times in the chest.

Police were called, and when officers arrived on the scene, the suspect, who was only identified as a black male, was found lying on the kitchen floor. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

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9/8/17

Taco Bell employees shoot, kill armed robbery suspect

CLEVELAND – Three employees at a Cleveland Taco Bell shot and killed a suspect during an attempted robbery, according to police.

Officers responded to the restaurant on W. 117th street at 2:45 a.m. Wednesday morning for a report of a robbery with shots fired.

When police arrived, they found a suspect with multiple gunshot wounds. Officers administered first aid until EMS arrived. The suspect later died at MetroHealth Medical Center. The medical examiner later identified the suspect as 24-year-old Cleveland resident De'Carlo Jackson.

Another man, believed to be Jackson's accomplice, had already taken off by the time officers arrived.

Police say a preliminary investigation indicates that three Taco Bell employees, all armed, shot at the two suspects after they came into the restaurant wearing masks and ordered the employees to the ground at gunpoint.
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8/23/17

Police: Robber tries to take woman's purse, flees when 57-year-old shows gun at west Little Rock shopping center

The would-be robber reportedly grabbed the woman’s purse while it rested on her shoulder, at which point, the victim brandished a weapon she had stored inside.

According to the report, the assailant then fled west through the parking lot of the grocery store and behind Belk.

No items were listed as stolen from the woman.
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8/9/17

Deputies: Mass Stabbing Suspect Stopped When Fourth Target Pulled a Gun - Breitbart

Deputies say a suspect who allegedly stabbed three people in Seminole, Florida, stopped when a fourth individual pulled a gun on him.
The incident occurred Sunday afternoon in broad daylight.

According to The Patch, the incident began when witnesses alleged they saw 49-year-old Bobby Martin Watson trying to rob a woman in a Publix parking lot. Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office deputies indicate that the woman–44-year-old Rosanna Lynn–struggled with Watson and he stabbed her.

Watson then ran and a witness–44-year-old Christopher McMann–approached, only to get stabbed as well.


Deputies said a second good Samaritan–31-year-old Travis Jones–then chased and tackled Watson, only to be “stabbed in the abdomen during the struggle that ensued.” Forty-year-old Donald Rush saw what was happening, grabbed his gun from his vehicle and ran at Watson. He was able to take away the knife “and held [Watson] at gunpoint until deputies arrived.”

Rush did not have to fire his gun. The sight of the brandished firearm was enough to stop the attack.

Watson was booked into the Pinellas County jail. He faces charges of “armed robbery and three counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon.”


8/6/17

Police: Armed Woman Stops Road Rage Attacker with One Shot - Breitbart

Police in Glendale, Arizona, say an armed woman stopped a road rage attacker with one shot on Wednesday.
The armed motorist repeatedly said she was armed but the attacker ignored her warnings.


According to 3 TV/CBS 5, Glendale Police Sgt. Scott Waite said a driver that was cut off by another vehicle at 67th and Olive Avenues, and then followed the vehicle “to 59th Avenue and Bell Road where a physical altercation took place.”

The road rage suspect allegedly approached the car and struck the passenger in the face, at which point the female driver exited the vehicle and announced that she was armed. Unfazed, “the suspect then [allegedly] approached the armed driver and punched her in the face and continued to assault her, putting her into a headlock.”


Waite said the road rage suspect kept attacking the driver, even though the driver continued warning that she was armed. Realizing there was no other option, the driver then fired one shot, “ending the fight.”

A witness of the incident told 12 News, “One of them broke the car window of another car pulled the lady out and they started fighting in the middle of the street. One got on top of the other and the girl just pulled out a gun and shot her in the gut.”
 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


And more.....

66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody

Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.

The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.

Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.

Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.

Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.



7/24/17

72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’

After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.

“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”

Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.

“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.

Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.

Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.


7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder

On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.

The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.

The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.

Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.

She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.

Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"

The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:

Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.

For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.

The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.

In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.

[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.

A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.

The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.

When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.

McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.

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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed

Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery

A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.

Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.

The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.

The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.

No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.




5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot

Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.

The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.

The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.

The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.

A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.

Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.

Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.

Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17

Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire

In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."



The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street


He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.



"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."

Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.

He was shot on his arm and hip.

But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.

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Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------




.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


And more.....

66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody

Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.

The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.

Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.

Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.

Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.


7/24/17

72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’

After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.

“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”

Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.

“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.

Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.

Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.


7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder

On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.

The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.

The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.

Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.

She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.

Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"

The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:

Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.

For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.

The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.

In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.

[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.

A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.

The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.

When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.

McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.

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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed

Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery

A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.

Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.

The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.

The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.

No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.




5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot

Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.

The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.

The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.

The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.

A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.

Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.

Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.

Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17

Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire

In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."



The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street


He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.



"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."

Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.

He was shot on his arm and hip.

But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.

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You have far more patience than I do

Vagabond63 is a troll.

and not even an American troll

he has few if any rights remaining in the UK and just wants to see Americans suffer too.

its simple penis envy and nothing more

no matter how long you argue he will never change his mind
 
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


And more.....

66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody

Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.

The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.

Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.

Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.

Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.


7/24/17

72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’

After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.

“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”

Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.

“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.

Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.

Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.


7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder

On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.

The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.

The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.

Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.

She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.

Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"

The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:

Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.

For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.

The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.

In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.

[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.

A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.

The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.

When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.

McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.

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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed

Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery

A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.

Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.

The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.

The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.

No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.




5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot

Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.

The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.

The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.

The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.

A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.

Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.

Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.

Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17

Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire

In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."



The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street


He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.



"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."

Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.

He was shot on his arm and hip.

But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.

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I think you may be in double figures now. Still a million short of a million though.
 
Driv
It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.


The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.


Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)




Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.


No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.

Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....

Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.

Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......

You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.

You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.

Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...

Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....
It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.


The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.


Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)




Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.


No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.

Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....

Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.

Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......

You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.

You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.

Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...

Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....
Pure BS. Our gun crime and murder rate dropped dramatically since 1997,when we banned most handguns. It's only started to rise again after a decade or two of Right wing governments creating huge inequalities in our society and cutting back on our police.
 
Prove it.
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


Wrong.....that is wrong.

You are mixing mass public shootings with regular crime.

When normal people have their guns in the middle of a mass public shooting, they are 94% successful at stopping the attack or limiting the deaths and injuries.

The number you are mixing up is the 1.1 million times a year normal people use their guns for common rapists, robbers and murderers....from the Centers for Disease control....

Two different categories of crime and responses....

.....we are talking mass public shootings....and from the examples, they are not all ex anything......you are lying...

Again....normal people have a 94% success rate......using guns is not that difficult.
 
No, you should train people



Oh, as for lawnmower deaths, if you Yanks can't even drive lawnmowers, do you really think you can be trusted with real weapons?


Yes, we should ban lawn mowers....they kill more people year than AR-15 rifles.
No, you should provide proper training to use lawnmowers. With guns you should register who owns a gun, require a minimum standard of competence and then iss
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


And more.....

66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody

Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.

The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.

Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.

Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.

Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.


7/24/17

72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’

After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.

“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”

Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.

“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.

Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.

Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.


7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder

On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.

The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.

The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.

Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.

She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.

Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"

The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:

Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.

For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.

The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.

In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.

[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.

A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.

The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.

When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.

McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.

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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed

Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery

A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.

Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.

The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.

The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.

No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.




5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot

Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.

The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.

The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.

The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.

A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.

Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.

Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.

Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17

Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire

In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."



The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street


He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.



"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."

Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.

He was shot on his arm and hip.

But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.

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You have far more patience than I do

Vagabond63 is a troll.

and not even an American troll

he has few if any rights remaining in the UK and just wants to see Americans suffer too.

its simple penis envy and nothing more

no matter how long you argue he will never change his mind
Says the dickless troll whose contribution so far has been nothing other than troll like
 
Prove it.
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

---------------------------




.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
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'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


Wrong.....that is wrong.

You are mixing mass public shootings with regular crime.

When normal people have their guns in the middle of a mass public shooting, they are 94% successful at stopping the attack or limiting the deaths and injuries.

The number you are mixing up is the 1.1 million times a year normal people use their guns for common rapists, robbers and murderers....from the Centers for Disease control....

Two different categories of crime and responses....

.....we are talking mass public shootings....and from the examples, they are not all ex anything......you are lying...

Again....normal people have a 94% success rate......using guns is not that difficult.


I listed just some of the stories I have collected from various news articles..........none of them are soldiers or cops...or is the woman walking her dog, confronted by the two men, one with a bat, a Navy SEAL in disguise? You moron.
 
No, you should train people



Oh, as for lawnmower deaths, if you Yanks can't even drive lawnmowers, do you really think you can be trusted with real weapons?


Yes, we should ban lawn mowers....they kill more people year than AR-15 rifles.
No, you should provide proper training to use lawnmowers. With guns you should register who owns a gun, require a minimum standard of competence and then iss
Must have been a mass shooting, we are getting more of his NRA spooge.
The UK does not have a 2nd Amendment or the NRA to protect gun owner rights

My guess is most of the shooting in GB are by the hands of minorities just as it is here in cities like chicago
We don't have a written constitution, it's all tradition and common law. Point about written constitutions is they can be amended and ammendments can be repealed aor replaced. Your guess is a good one. Most shootings in the UK are drug gang related. We don't have "normal" people shooting up schools, churches, etc. Mainly because guns are tightly controlled.


We had a total of 10 mass public shootings in 2019.....in a country of 320 million people...........and when your nuts decide to murder people in mass public shootings, your death toll will be much higher, since your police are mostly unarmed..........meanwhile, armed Americans, when they are allowed to have their weapons with them, are 94% successful at stopping these attackers.......as in France when their nuts murdered people at Charlie Hebdo, and at the Rock concert, your numbers will be really bad.....

And so far, you have been lucky...any one of the following could have been a mass public shooting.....except for luck...not gun control....

5/4/18 2 boys planning attack, steal girlfriend's dad's guns

Teenage boys planned to 'kill everyone' at Yorkshire school in Columbine-style gun and bomb massacre, court hears

Two teenage boys planned to “kill everyone” at their Yorkshireschool in a Columbine-style massacre using bombs and guns, a court has heard.

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.4/6/18

Doctor found with stash of guns and NHS hitlist jailed

A former doctor has been sentenced to 12 years in prison for stockpiling guns with the intent to endanger life.

Martin Watt was found with three submachine guns, two pistols and 1,500 live cartridges at a property in Cumbernauld, Scotland, last year.

T
he 62-year-old had lost his job at Monklands hospital in North Lanarkshire in 2012 after disciplinary hearings. His marriage broke down around the same time, the high court in Glasgow was told.

Watt had compiled a list of names and addresses of some colleagues involved in the disciplinary process, which the judge, Valerie Stacey, said Watt had referred to as an assassination list.
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Here is the update, the original is below..

Yep.....this 19 year old got bombs and a glock 19 and 94 rounds of 9mm ammo on the dark web in Britain in order to murder people at the University he used to attend..........

I guess their gun control laws stopped him...right? Or was it pure, dumb luck.....?



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British teen sentenced to life for planned school attack :: Guns.com

Despite some of the tightest gun control on the planet, a British man was able to acquire a handgun, extended mags and explosives as part of a plot to attack his former school.
Liam Lyburd, 19, of Newcastle upon Tyne, was sentenced to life imprisonment this week on eight charges of possessing weapons with intent to endanger life.
As noted by the BBC, Lyburd gathered a cache that included a Glock 19, three 33-round magazines, 94 hollow-point bullets, CS gas, five pipe bombs and two other improvised explosive devices despite the country’s long history of civilian arms control.
According to court documents, Lyburd planned to use the weapons in an attack on Newcastle College, from which he had been expelled two years prior for poor attendance. He was arrested last November after two Northumbria Police constables visited him at his home on a tip from an individual who encountered threats and disturbing pictures posted by Lyburd online.
Despite a defense that portrayed the reclusive man as living in a fantasy world, Lyburd was found guilty in July.
The internet-savvy teen obtained the Glock and other items through Evolution Marketplace, a successor to the Silk Road, a long-time “dark web” site in which users could buy and sell everything from illegal narcotics to munitions using Bitcoin cryptocurrency.
In court, Lyburd testified that buying the Glock was so easy it was “like buying a bar of chocolate.”
He obtained funds for his purchases through a complex extortion scheme in which he used online malware to infect computers, which he in turn held for ransom from their owners.
====Teenage boy 'took shotgun to school after being bullied for being fat'

15-year-old boy arrested for taking shotgun and ammunition into school did it because he was being bullied for being too fat, fellow pupils said.
=======


'Gunman' walks into Liverpool nursery school as children were playing inside

Police have sealed off a children's nursery in Liverpool amid reports a gunman walked into the building while youngsters were inside.

Officers were called to Childs Play Nursery in Wavertree, Merseyside, at around 8am this morning.

The man, who is believed to have been carrying what looked like a firearm, walked into the nursery and approached another man.

He then left with a second man on the back of a motorbike.



Children among 10 people in hospital after mass shooting in Manchester

Ten people, including two children, were taken to hospital after a shooting at a street party in the Moss Side area of Manchester.


Armed police officers rushed to the scene on a residential street at 2.30am on Sunday, where a party was being held following a Caribbean Carnival at a nearby park.


The majority of our shootings are also drug gang related, or simply criminal related, and they occur almost entirely in tiny, multi-block areas of our democrat party controlled cities....because it is their policies that keep releasing repeat, known, violent criminals from jail and prison over and over again.......
And again, manipulating the facts by using the most narrow definition of a mass public shooting, what a surprise. Using a more realistic approach when an individual opens fire on innocent people regardless of how many need to be killed to count, we find that as of this July there have been over 300 such shootings.
Oh, and as for that silly list of nonevents. Had they happened in the US they would probably all have succeeded, given how easy it is to get a gun over there.


Notice in my post #376 that knives are used to murder more people every single year in America than all of our mass public shooters since 1982.......


And again, when Americans can carry their legal guns into public spaces, they have a 94% stopping rate on mass public shooters .......

Your people won't be so lucky...........
Hang on, you are using raw figures. By your rules, you don't count criminal on criminal attacks, or mass stabbings when less than 4 people are killed. Your second point is pure fantasy. The only times a "good guy with a gun" stopped any form of mass killing, they happened to be either ex military or ex police, and had been trained specifically to deal with such a situation in the past. Normal people, armed or not tend to run, or hide from active shooters.


And more.....

66-year-old jewelry store owner beaten during robbery, shoots 2 suspects, third in custody

Authorities say the trio – all of whom were armed with handguns – entered the business around 2:45, displayed their weapons and demanded cash and merchandise before they began beating and pistol whipping the 66-year-old store owner. At some point during the assault, the store owner was able to break free and retrieve his own gun.

The owner opened fire on the suspects and a gunfight ensued. During this time, Gomez and Mitchell were struck by gunfire. The owner, although he sustained injuries from the assault, was not injured by gunfire.

Soon after shots were fired, the trio ran from the store and fled the area in a vehicle that had been parked at a nearby carwash.

Gomez, who suffered multiple gunshot wounds, was dropped off at an area hospital, and Mitchell was found lying in the roadway at another location. Gomez, who has robbery charges pending, remains hospitalized, while Mitchell was pronounced dead at the scene where he was found.

Two days after the robbery, authorities received a tip that Harris was hiding out in San Antonio, leading the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force to conduct surveillance. The Task Force witnessed Harris leave a residence then get into a vehicle and drive away. A subsequent traffic stop was conducted, during which time Harris surrendered without incident.


7/24/17

72-year-old who fatally shot robber: ‘I’m a good shooter’

After Johnson drove Holt to the apartment, she got out of the vehicle and walked around to the side of the building. Moments later, two men, one of whom was armed with a gun, approached Johnson’s vehicle and demanded money as they hit him multiple times.

“They didn’t know who they were messing with,” Johnson later told reporters. “They messed with the wrong person that day.”

Unbeknown to the suspects, Johnson was packing a pistol.

“I was getting the gun out at the same time while he was asking for the money, when he was asking for the money, talking – POW! I shot that bastard,” Johnson said.

Johnson fired a single shot, striking Randall Caradine, 46, in the chest. Caradine was transported to a hospital and died a short time later, while the second suspect made off with $1,000 in cash and remains at large.

Following the robbery and subsequent shooting, authorities interviewed Holt, who admitted the robbery was previously planned in order to pay off a $30 drug debt owed to Caradine and the second suspect.


7/18/17
no shots fired....
17-Year-Old Spokane Girl Grabs Dad's Gun, Scares Off Home Intruder

On Monday morning, a 17-year-old Spokane girl gave a suspected car thief a rude reception when he invaded her house; brandishing her father’s gun in his face before he fled like a scared rabbit.

The entire sequence of events started at roughly 5:00 a.m. when deputies spotted a stolen car in the Wandermere area. Once they started pursuing the suspect, he fled on foot.

The police provided updates on the The Wake Up Show on KHQ. Meanwhile, 17-year-old Kimber Wood's boyfriend and parents saw the updates, before they left for work. Her boyfriend met some deputies on his way, then called Kimber to inform him of what was happening.

Kimber called her father to ask if she could grab one of his guns. He assented, whereupon she placed it under her pillow and went back to sleep.

She awakened and heard an intruder, prompting her to grab the gun. Hiding behind her makeup vanity, she suddenly came face to face with the car thief.

Brandishing her gun, she pointed it at the suspect and said, "Who are you?" and "Get the (expletive) out of my house!"

The thief beat a hasty retreat after stealing her boyfriend’s ATV; but Kimber wanted to make sure he got the message, firing one shot into the ground as he fled.
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How much money, how many lives are saved by armed americans...Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

Our man Bruce Krafft — whose posts we dearly miss — did the math back in 2012. Here it is:

Our fearless leader suggested that I take a look at the flip side of the anti’s latest attack on our freedoms (a recycled strategy from the Clinton-era Public Health model of gun control): the monetary cost of gun violence.

For example, the Center for American Progress touted the “fact” that the Virginia Tech massacre cost taxpayers $48.2 million (including autopsy costs and a fine against Virginia Tech for failing to get their skates on when the killer started shooting).

It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.

The Kleck-Gertz DGU study estimated that there are between 2.1 and 2.5 million DGUs a year in the U.S. The Ludwig-Cook study came up with 1.46 million. So let’s split the difference and call it 1.88 million DGUs per year.

In the K-G article Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun, 15.7 percent of people who had a DGU reckoned they almost certainly saved a life. Ignoring the ‘probably’ and ‘might have’ saved a life categories for simplicity, 15.7 percent of 1.88 million gives us 295,160 lives saved annually.

[NB: A number of people have questioned the 15.7 percent stat. Remember: many states regard the mere act of pulling a gun on someone a form of deadly force. In addition, virtually every jurisdiction in the nation requires that an armed self-defender must be in “reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily harm” before using (or in some places even threatening to use) deadly force.]

How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

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This Guy Tried To Rob A 7-Eleven. The Clerk Had A Gun.

A man attempted to rob a 7-Eleven in Virginia Beach, Virginia, on Saturday, but was stopped by a clerk with a gun.

The man, identified as Davin McClenney, allegedly attempted the robbery at 1:06 a.m. but was shot by a 7-Eleven clerk who has not yet been publicly identified.

When police arrived at the scene, McClenney was already down with a bullet in his upper body. He was taken to the hospital, where he is currently in critical condition.

McClenney has a prior criminal record that includes three robberies, one of which was a home invasion in July 2016 that involved him reportedly taking numerous items from the homeowner at gunpoint. He was set to stand trial for the crime in August, but a judge granted his release from jail on bond in December.

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6/2/17 teenage thug shot and killed

Chicago teen fatally shot by CCP-holder during attempted robbery

A 16-year-old boy is dead after he allegedly tried to rob a man outside of a bank in the Oak Park area of Chicago Saturday morning.

Police say it appears the teen, who was armed with a gun, approached the 24-year-old victim just after 11 a.m. intending to commit a robbery. However, the would-be victim was also armed and an exchange of gunfire occurred.

The teen, who was identified as Damon Phillips, was shot multiple times in the chest and fled the scene in a waiting car. He later showed up at an area hospital where he was pronounced dead about half an hour after the attempted robbery. It wasn’t immediately known how Phillips got to the hospital or whether there was a second suspect involved.

The victim, who authorities confirmed has a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon, was not injured.

No charges have been filed at this time, although the incident remains under investigation.




5/110/17 Chicago car jackers shot

Alleged carjacker shot, wounded on SW Side

CHICAGO (WLS) --
The victim of an apparent carjacking shot and wounded one of the two men who allegedly tried to steal his vehicle Wednesday afternoon on the city's Southwest Side, police said.

The carjacker was shot in the groin, and were nabbed by police outside an auto repair shop near 63rd and Whipple in the Chicago Lawn neighborhood.

The 29-year-old owner of the vehicle, who has a valid conceal and carry license, fired his weapon after the two men approached him outside his PT Cruiser near 62nd and Homan.

The carjacker who was hit, a 25-year-old man, was taken to Christ Medical Center where he was in good condition on Wednesday, police said.

A witness said that by the time the PT Cruiser pulled into the driveway of the auto repair shop, it was being followed by five to six police cars.

Surveillance video captured the moment when police approached the vehicle outside the auto repair shop, two people in the car with their hands up.

Police found blood in the backseat and a flat tire.

Both offenders were in custody Wednesday
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1/23/17

Pizza Delivery Man Shot, Returns Fire

In southwest Philadelphia, a pizza deliveryman was ambushed and shot after he arrived at the location of a "customer."



The 36-year-old father of eight was delivering pizzas for Chester Pizza just after 7 p.m. Someone had called for a delivery and gave the address of an abandoned house in the 5300 block of Yocum Street


He got out of his car and almost immediately found himself face-to-face with the armed suspect.



"A group of males came from the abandoned property towards him," said Philadelphia Police Lt. John Walker. "One pulled a gun, pointed it at the pizza delivery driver's head (and) demanded money and pizzas."

Keyveat Fredericks struggled with the attackers and then made it to his car. "I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me," he described.

He was shot on his arm and hip.

But Fredericks didn't give up. He hid behind his car, unholstered his weapon, and shot back.

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You have far more patience than I do

Vagabond63 is a troll.

and not even an American troll

he has few if any rights remaining in the UK and just wants to see Americans suffer too.

its simple penis envy and nothing more

no matter how long you argue he will never change his mind
Says the dickless troll whose contribution so far has been nothing other than troll like


Yes....registration......so when the anti-gun extremists the power they can ban and confiscate them.....and training requirements which will become so burdensome adn filled with taxes, fees and red tape, only the rich, famous and politically connected will have access to guns...

No thanks.
 
It's all fake news.

There are no shootings in The UK.

You see, they have very strict gun control laws like the left wants here so there won't be any shootings, ever.

So it HAS to be fake news! Ask Gropey Joey.......but don't ask Spamela. She has an obvious "tell". But Joey? no "tell" because he realy has been on auto-pilot for a couple of years.
Of course there are shootings in the UK, 99.9% of them are gangster on gangster affairs. We just don't have the sort of gun massacres you have in the US in churches schools, bars, concerts etc.


The majority of gun crime in the U.S. is gang on gang, you twit. Which means that normal people who own and carry guns are not the problem.

Again.....our problem comes directly from one political party, the democrat party.....their policies create our gun crime problem in the cities they control.

And I keep having to show you that in Britain, they have professional armed guards at Jewish schools and Synagogues to prevent your immigrant communities from murdering Jewish people. Armed guards.....with guns.
This is pure unadulterated drivel,. There are so many sites that cite so many instances of law abiding gun owners shooting and killing each other and their families. Everyone cited was considered normal until they pulled their legal guns and started firing. America, you have a gun problem, the first step towards a cure is to admit that the problem exists.


Wrong.....actual research shows you have no idea what you are talking about.....

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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Public Health and Gun Control --- A Review (Part II: Gun Violence and Constitutional Issues) | Hacienda Publishing

Another favorite view of the gun control, public health establishment is the myth propounded by Dr. Mark Rosenberg, former head of the NCIPC of the CDC, who has written: "Most of the perpetrators of violence are not criminals by trade or profession. Indeed, in the area of domestic violence, most of the perpetrators are never accused of any crime. The victims and perpetrators are ourselves --- ordinary citizens, students, professionals, and even public health workers."(6)

That statement is contradicted by available data, government data. The fact is that the typical murderer has had a prior criminal history of at least six years with four felony arrests in his record before he finally commits murder.



(17) The FBI statistics reveal that 75 percent of all violent crimes for any locality are committed by six percent of hardened criminals and repeat offenders.(18)



Less than 2 percent of crimes committed with firearms are carried out by licensed (e.g., concealed carry permit holders) law-abiding citizens.(11)

Violent crimes continue to be a problem in the inner cities with gangs involved in the drug trade. Crimes in rural areas for both blacks and whites, despite the preponderance of guns in this setting, remain low.(11,19)




Gun availability does not cause crime. Prohibitionist government policies and gun control (rather than crime control) exacerbates the problem by making it more difficult for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves, their families, and their property. In fact, there was a modest increase in both homicide and suicide after prohibition and passage of the Gun Control Act of 1968.(20)
And of course there are those who refuse to admit that the problem exists, despite the body count, and make up fantasies to make them feel good. They re-enforce their fantasies by cherry picking whatever information they can find. Meanwhile in the real world the rest of us look on sadly, then shake our heads and get on with our gun free lives, secure in the knowledge that gun control makes us safer.


No cherry picking, only facts and truth. You hate the idea that normal people own and carry guns........in your control freak mind that is something that drives you nuts.....meanwhile, 18.6 million Americans carry guns for self defense and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%....something you keep telling us can't happen.

Britain never had the violence level that America has....even when you were allowed to own guns...and don't tell us that the few hunting shotguns that the wealthy and connected can own means you are allowed to own guns.....

Meanwhile, both private and government researchers here in the U.S. have shown that Americans use their legal guns likely over a million times a year to save lives from violent criminals.........that drives your control freak mind crazy.

Like Britain...our violent crime is isolated to tiny areas in our democrat party controlled cities.....tiny areas, a few blocks where criminal gangs shoot each other over drug turf, personal insults and lack of self control....and this is not due to normal people who own and carry guns for self defense, sport, and hunting.......

You are the one who is in denial...you think that because your culture and society was very non-violent in the past, that that dictates that it will be non-violent in the future, and that non-violent past means that your gun control laws work.

You are delusional. You have imported violent 3rd world males who don't care about your culture, your traditions, and they do not fear your police. They are driving violent crime in your country and they are importing guns to do it....your gun control laws mean nothing to them......
Blah, blah blah, the usual cut and paste BS. Just for fun, I looked up the last time our murder rate was anything close that of the USA, it was in 1344. Medieval England, when everyone had weapons from daggers to handguns (well hand cannons). Also our gun murder and gun crime rate dropped about the same level as the USA when we banned handguns. Ooh, seems gun control works.

Moron.....your murder rate was low when you had guns...due to your history, your culture, traditions and people......you didn't need to ban guns because your murder rate was low to begin with...

Now....you have imported violent,3rd world males, and they are the ones driving your drug crime...because they don't care about your history, your culture, your traditions and they are not afraid of your police....
Doesn't alter the fact that after handguns were banned gun crime in the UK plummeted by around 75%. gun control worked until the last decade when Right wing Conservative governments cut police and social services in the name of ideological austerity.
 

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