Replace the ACA with single payer

[Pumpkin Row]

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

 

[Timmy]

There is no human reason health care should not be available to all who need it in America.

There is no human reason an oppressive fucking government should steal money away from the people that earn it to pay the bills of those that didn't earn the money.

If you want health care that is your responsibility, not mine. You are not entitled to have me pay your bills simply because you are alive. If you think so then you are a greedy asshole, wouldn't you agree?

You get a tax break for having kids . Is the gov forcing people to have children?

The thing about health care is that eventually we all need it ! Why let the freeloaders slide in?

Unless you are cool wh letting uninsured die ?

 

[dblack]

The Private Sector is the key to everything except infrastructure, and possibly that, too. True Capitalism regulates itself, advances faster, generates constant jobs and constant economic growth, and higher wages. Competition causes business to have to have the best prices, work conditions, payment, and product. There's literally no way for the government to do anything better than the Private Sector, and it has failed every time it has tried.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread, my family's Healthcare went from $150 to $950. Your argument is invalid.

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

Yep. We should just have one insurance company, "partnered" with government so it can force everyone to buy its product. What could go wrong?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

Obama rammed an unconstitutional executive order through. Premiums are now increasing rapidly, and people are having trouble keeping their insurance... oh, and they couldn't keep their doctor.

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.'' -RW idiocy for dupes only LOL. Meanwhile Reaganism rolls on, defended to the death by the GOP. Now taxing the rich less than the middle class and giving the store away to giant corps. Great job. PRAYING Trump isn't as idiotic as the GOP and its dupes....

''people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.''

After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison EVAH, and in the modern world!! And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?

Pay gaps are completely meaningless. Certain jobs would be completely barren of employment if everyone was paid exactly the same. People who complain about wage gaps simply don't know how the job market works.

When you apply for a job, you're selling your skills. If those skills are in high demand, you're offered higher pay. If your skills are in low demand, you're paid less. If you're applying for no-skill jobs, you're paid less.

Democrats happen to be the ones driving wages down, with extremely high taxes on employers, and lowering the amounts employees need to be paid in order to live with their Federal Aid.

They're not victims if they did it to themselves. You're just repeating Liberal talking points that have no merit.

This is what happens when gov't has little money to invest in infrastructure or training for good jobs, all to save the bloated rich from paying their fair share. Great job! Thanks for the stupidest wars ever and the corrupt W/GOP word depression, and 8 years of disfunction, dupes.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 35 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = Clipboard01.jpg (image)
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb...able=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = 15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

Your post basically amounts to "The rich keep doing what it was that made them rich, and the poor continue doing what it was that made them poor". Businesses exist to make money, them making money just happens to benefit those that work for them, provided they have skills there's a demand for. If you want money, create your own business.

 

[Timmy]

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

True capitalism in health care would drop your ass as soon as you got sick . And no one would ever cover you because now you have a pre condition .

You get sick again, you'd be dead and or broke.

 

[Billy000]

True unregulated capitalism is a success huh? So the lack of proper regulation on Wall Street is not the reason for Great Recession? And no, your anecdotal story doesn't mean jack shit if, statistically, healthcare costs have been rising for decades. If you let corporations do whatever the fuck they want, where is the motive for them to lower their costs if they are already making a killing off necessary treatments like cancer treatment or prescriptions costs?

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

Lol none of this shallow reasoning of yours changes the fact that healthcare prices haven't been affordable for the poor for decades.

 

[kaz]

There is no human reason health care should not be available to all who need it in America.

There is no human reason an oppressive fucking government should steal money away from the people that earn it to pay the bills of those that didn't earn the money.

If you want health care that is your responsibility, not mine. You are not entitled to have me pay your bills simply because you are alive. If you think so then you are a greedy asshole, wouldn't you agree?

You get a tax break for having kids . Is the gov forcing people to have children?

The thing about health care is that eventually we all need it ! Why let the freeloaders slide in?

Unless you are cool wh letting uninsured die ?

You don't want to pay for your own healthcare, got it

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

True capitalism in health care would drop your ass as soon as you got sick . And no one would ever cover you because now you have a pre condition .

You get sick again, you'd be dead and or broke.

Except if an insurer was unreliable, people would go to their competition, which would cause that unreliable insurer to lose their customers, and go under. If a product or service is unreliable, they lose business, their competitor gains their business. You're only putting on full display that you have no idea how the market works. You're describing a monopoly, which is what Single-Payer is.

 

[kaz]

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

Lol none of this shallow reasoning of yours changes the fact that healthcare prices haven't been affordable for the poor for decades.

And you're going to make it affordable by making it free ... Hmm ... Can't be a downside in that, can there?

 

[kaz]

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

True capitalism in health care would drop your ass as soon as you got sick . And no one would ever cover you because now you have a pre condition .

You get sick again, you'd be dead and or broke.

Government has prevented capitalism in healthcare for decades ... which is the problem ... and you want to double down on it ...

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Yes, it is a success. The recession was a result of the government being allowed to run amok and expand its powers far beyond what they should be, much like the Great Depression.

Another competing business having lower costs and a better product stealing all of their customers? What we had before ACA was not only better, but wasn't actual capitalism due to government regulations. Competition beyond state lines would have been an unregulated capitalist healthcare system, and would have results in people getting the lowest cost and best product, because that's how capitalism works.

Even if costs were rising before ACA, ACA caused them to rise significantly faster, and has given us a far, far worse product.

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

Lol none of this shallow reasoning of yours changes the fact that healthcare prices haven't been affordable for the poor for decades.

If you have no money, nothing is affordable. By your logic, everything should be 'free', which is Socialism, which was implemented by the USSR, which destroyed their Nation for 90 years and caused their economy to collapse. If you want everything affordable for those who have no money, move to Venezuela. People who can't make it on their own due to lack of motivation and laziness don't deserve to have things paid for by others for them, and therefor don't NEED to be able to afford anything. You Liberals keep complaining that we're the only Nation that doesn't do this, that, or the other thing. Great, if you don't like an equal opportunity Nation where you have to take care of yourself, move somewhere else. We don't need nor want you here. Move to Cuba. Move to Venezuela. Move to a Socialist paradise where all of your policies have already destroyed their economy instead of destroying ours.

 

[Flash]

[Q

You get a tax break for having kids . Is the gov forcing people to have children?

The thing about health care is that eventually we all need it ! Why let the freeloaders slide in?

Unless you are cool wh letting uninsured die ?

There are many things that we all need but it is not my responsibility to pay your bills. That is your responsibility. I am responsible for my well being and you for yours. I know the concept of personal responsibility is alien to you Moon Bats but that is real life.

You are not entitled to health care just because you are alive. If you think so then you are a confused greedy little bastard, not worth a shit.

I may chose to help you because I am a generous person but I don't need the oppressive government taking my money by force and giving it to your sorry ass. I am quit capable of making my own decision on who to help. I don't need a fucking corrupt politician, elected by special interest groups, taking my money away by force and giving it to sorry ass welfare queens.

Do you understand Moon Bat?

 

[Timmy]

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

And you get no subsidy?

What RED state sold that $150 scam policy? Now that 950 policy is what it actually costs and is GUARANTEED. Now to get competition and going after costs really going. Or maybe Trump will figure out to Nazify the system quickly with single payer lol...

It's not a scam policy if it actually works. My youngest brother was born prematurely and needed absurd amounts of expensive surgery and treatments in order to survive and live a normal life, and our insurance covered more than half of the cost, as well as our dental bills. We're lucky this happened before the ACA was implemented or he'd have likely died.

Why would he have died under the ACA?

 

[Timmy]

[Q

You get a tax break for having kids . Is the gov forcing people to have children?

The thing about health care is that eventually we all need it ! Why let the freeloaders slide in?

Unless you are cool wh letting uninsured die ?

There are many things that we all need but it is not my responsibility to pay your bills. That is your responsibility. I am responsible for my well being and you for yours. I know the concept of personal responsibility is alien to you Moon Bats but that is real life.

You are not entitled to health care just because you are alive. If you think so then you are a confused greedy little bastard, not worth a shit.

I may chose to help you because I am a generous person but I don't need the oppressive government taking my money by force and giving it to your sorry ass. I am quit capable of making my own decision on who to help. I don't need a fucking corrupt politician, elected by special interest groups, taking my money away by force and giving it to sorry ass welfare queens.

Do you understand Moon Bat?

You are entitled to health care even if you can't afford it .

Moonbat Ron Reagan signed that into law .

you understand?

 

[Rustic]

[Q

You get a tax break for having kids . Is the gov forcing people to have children?

The thing about health care is that eventually we all need it ! Why let the freeloaders slide in?

Unless you are cool wh letting uninsured die ?

There are many things that we all need but it is not my responsibility to pay your bills. That is your responsibility. I am responsible for my well being and you for yours. I know the concept of personal responsibility is alien to you Moon Bats but that is real life.

You are not entitled to health care just because you are alive. If you think so then you are a confused greedy little bastard, not worth a shit.

I may chose to help you because I am a generous person but I don't need the oppressive government taking my money by force and giving it to your sorry ass. I am quit capable of making my own decision on who to help. I don't need a fucking corrupt politician, elected by special interest groups, taking my money away by force and giving it to sorry ass welfare queens.

Do you understand Moon Bat?

You are entitled to health care even if you can't afford it .

Moonbat Ron Reagan signed that into law .

you understand?

The nanny state shits where it eats...

 

[Flash]

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You are entitled to health care even if you can't afford it .

You are confused Moon Bat.

You are not entitled to anything just because you are alive.

You are not entitled to have me go out and work to pay your your goddamn bills just because you are alive. That is your responsibility. Do you even know what the term "personal responsibility" means? I doubt it.

You don't even understand the concept of liberty, do you?

 

[dblack]

You are entitled to health care even if you can't afford it .

Moonbat Ron Reagan signed that into law .

you understand?

Does that make it right? EMTALA is an unfunded mandate - trying to squeeze our welfare state our of private companies. Reagan was wrong.

 

[francoHFW]

BS- The Dems had 60 votes and managed to herd the cats together. Cost rises have been lower since, but now poor workers are covered (in blue states) and all plans are guaranteed and have a 7k annual limit, dupe. Losing your doctor is not an ACA result- that's due to hospita/insurance networks that were the trend before ACA....It's a GOP plan that mindless GOPers refused to vote for and continue to sabotage. Now Trump can fix it, so A-OK for the dupes lol...But thanks for the BS propaganda, chump. Maybe Trump will pass single payer lol. God knows. But at least he won't do what his brainwashed supporters want- he's not that stupid....

Cost rises have been lower since? Yet it's still increasing rapidly.

I mean, if you force people to buy things, I imagine most people would buy that thing. Though, let's be fair, it wasn't for workers, but for all those people who are being encouraged to stay poor because the Democrats are promising to take care of them, so they can be lazy slobs.

Funny you're calling others brainwashed while repeating what the Establishment has been telling you to say. Lack of self-awareness is a staple of Liberal whackjobs.

How many Americans could actually afford insurance on their own? A family plan is at least $1000 a month .

Health care is a necessity . Righties act like the industry is regular supply demand widgets .

Unless you'd rather us let people die in the streets ?

My family currently pays $950 per month.

Before ACA, my family paid $150... for a family of 12... you're out of your damn mind.

It's not a necessity, and if it were, competition would keep the prices significantly lower than this. That's how supply, demand, and competition work. You lefttards have turned the Healthcare industry into a government monopoly. Now Healthcare is significantly more expensive, significantly harder to get, and significantly harder to actually use.

If people die in the streets, they deserve it. There are programs that help people write resume's, and get them interviews on their behalf, as well as programs for homeless people who need food. Before Socialist policies were put in place, people could easily get a job. Of course, if you tax employers 60% of earnings, and tax them again per employee, I imagine hiring becomes a last resort.

And you get no subsidy?

What RED state sold that $150 scam policy? Now that 950 policy is what it actually costs and is GUARANTEED. Now to get competition and going after costs really going. Or maybe Trump will figure out to Nazify the system quickly with single payer lol...

It's not a scam policy if it actually works. My youngest brother was born prematurely and needed absurd amounts of expensive surgery and treatments in order to survive and live a normal life, and our insurance covered more than half of the cost, as well as our dental bills. We're lucky this happened before the ACA was implemented or he'd have likely died.

Half ain't great. How long ago?

 

[Billy000]

No that'a a load of shit. It's not like you can even point to any actual regulations that somehow didn't allow these insurance companies to "compete". Christ it's illegal for Medicare to negotiate lower prices with drug companies. There is no evidence that increasing competition between these corporations would significantly lower costs anyway. Sure it sounds good to suggest that, but just because something sounds like it makes sense it doesn't mean it has basis in reality.

Right, so the New York times is complaining about Trump abolishing a law that doesn't exist.

Are you trying to claim that lower prices don't attract customers, or are you trying to claim that businesses don't compete to make money? Regardless of which, you have to be a complete simpleton to think either.

Alright, prove that customers either won't buy a better product for a lower price, or that a business doesn't want customers.

Yes obviously increasing competition lowers prices in general, but that doesn't mean the increase in competition would be even nearly enough to make healthcare more affordable for the poor. Where is the viability in even trying this strategy for the industry? Christ if a insurance company wanted to, they could drastically lower their prices to make their care more affordable but they don't do they? It's because they already make a killing off of the prices they have now.

If a price is lowered, it's obviously more affordable to everyone. Businesses exist to make the owner money. If they don't make money, there's no reason for that business to exist. Naturally, if someone has literally no money, they can't afford anything. That's what charity is for, and programs to get them interviews. If they can't pull themselves up in a capitalist system, it's their own fault.

Again, they exist to make money, hence everything having a price. It's called making a living.

Lol none of this shallow reasoning of yours changes the fact that healthcare prices haven't been affordable for the poor for decades.

If you have no money, nothing is affordable. By your logic, everything should be 'free', which is Socialism, which was implemented by the USSR, which destroyed their Nation for 90 years and caused their economy to collapse. If you want everything affordable for those who have no money, move to Venezuela. People who can't make it on their own due to lack of motivation and laziness don't deserve to have things paid for by others for them, and therefor don't NEED to be able to afford anything. You Liberals keep complaining that we're the only Nation that doesn't do this, that, or the other thing. Great, if you don't like an equal opportunity Nation where you have to take care of yourself, move somewhere else. We don't need nor want you here. Move to Cuba. Move to Venezuela. Move to a Socialist paradise where all of your policies have already destroyed their economy instead of destroying ours.

No, I don't think everything should be "free". I know you cons struggle with nuance, but no political issue is black or white.

 

[francoHFW]

You are entitled to health care even if you can't afford it .

Moonbat Ron Reagan signed that into law .

you understand?

Does that make it right? EMTALA is an unfunded mandate - trying to squeeze our welfare state our of private companies. Reagan was wrong.

You may have to go bankrupt and lose everything to avoid paying. NOT ANY MORE with ACA.