Rabbis forced the Romans to crucify Jesus

[surada]

The best explanation I have read about the incident at the Temple was someone using the floor plan of the area. It was a huge complex and in the outer region was the area were money changes occurred and people brought in animals to be sacrificed. We can imagine how busy and crowded this area was just before Passover!

There was another area closer to interior the Temple (I forget what it was called) but perhaps consider it a foyer to a holy place. The theory was, that is so often the case, the rich did not want the bother of waiting among the noisy crowd, and--for a price--these particular money changers offered the opportunity to get ahead of the game. Animals, of course, were apt to step a foot or two into the holy interior--or at the very least, the noise would disturb the quiet of a prayerful place.

So Jesus drove these "entrepreneurs" out of an area they had no right to be to begin with. The rich and powerful were angry and aggravated, the most people that day probably didn't even notice the little kerfuffle occurring in that more out-of-the-way place. They were where they were supposed to be, doing what they were supposed to be doing.

Pilgrims also had to BUY sacrifices and they couldn't pay for them with Roman coins or foreign coins.. They had to be exchanged for Shekels.

 

[irosie91]

Pilgrims also had to BUY sacrifices and they couldn't pay for them with Roman coins or foreign coins.. They had to be exchanged for Shekels.

another false statement. People did not HAVE to buy sacrifices but
lots did so just as lots of people light candles in churches. The most
commonly used "sacrifice" was a pigeon---very inexpensive and
very available. ---not a WHOLE SHEKEL . Mary (Mrs Joseph)
sacrificed a pigeon. (smaller than our pigeons-----in fact just doves)

 

[BreezeWood]

You insult everybody. How sad to live a life so bitter, so acidic. But there is hope:

Ezekiel 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

You can trust the Lord. He loves you.

christianity, the desert religions have always been a primary source for regression and hate as recorded throughout history for one reason or another and those that use them in disguised provocations knowing full well the deceit for their actions ... ram - meriweather, their benign innocence

 

[irosie91]

christianity, the desert religions have always been a primary source for regression and hate as recorded throughout history for one reason or another and those that use them in disguised provocations knowing full well the deceit for their actions ... ram - meriweather, their benign innocence

OH YEAH? your cult of ODIN was better?

 

[BreezeWood]

OH YEAH? your cult of ODIN was better?

the golden days of mythology - pantheism as those in the heavens ...

Let us make man in our image(s)

where antiquity was - - > and where downhill afterwards - it went - to the bottom ... desert religions - monotheism.

 

[surada]

another false statement. People did not HAVE to buy sacrifices but
lots did so just as lots of people light candles in churches. The most
commonly used "sacrifice" was a pigeon---very inexpensive and
very available. ---not a WHOLE SHEKEL . Mary (Mrs Joseph)
sacrificed a pigeon. (smaller than our pigeons-----in fact just doves)

That's what I said..

 

[irosie91]

That's what I said..

really? When?

 

[surada]

really? When?

Some pilgrims bought sacrifices.

 

[irosie91]

Some pilgrims bought sacrifices.

so? nothing to do with the money changers in the courtyard

 

[LuckyDuck]

It's really quite irrelevant as to who ordered Jesus to be killed.
The bottom line is that all he was, was the world's first recorded Hippie, if they had them back then, he would have been wearing a tie-dyed T-shirt and a necklace with the standard "peace-symbol," on it.

 

[norwegen]

The people who killed Jesus is very relevant. Jesus didn't challenge the Romans; he had no reason to. He challenged the Jews. The Pharisees and their scribes, the elders, and the chief priests being the targets of his scorn is a necessary element in the story.

 

[irosie91]

It's really quite irrelevant as to who ordered Jesus to be killed.
The bottom line is that all he was, was the world's first recorded Hippie, if they had them back then, he would have been wearing a tie-dyed T-shirt and a necklace with the standard "peace-symbol," on it.


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The people who killed Jesus is very relevant. Jesus didn't challenge the Romans; he had no reason to. He challenged the Jews. The Pharisees and their scribes, the elders, and the chief priests being the targets of his scorn is a necessary element in the story.

it is also a lie. If he challenged the Pharisees and ??? THEIR SCRIBES???? and ??? THE ELDERS???? why was he crucified?
The pharisees not only COMPLETELY rejected crucifixion---they
actually rejected execution. Pharisees were literate---they were
THEIR OWN scribes "the elders"??? who are they? The
"CHIEF PRIESTS" at that time were SADDUCEAN ROMAN APPOINTEES. Now!! they were a danger as was Herod the king----also
a roman appointee. John the baptist scorned him and lost his head
for it. You attended sunday school lots? or are you a catholic
in a catholic school as a divinity student?

 

[norwegen]

it is also a lie. If he challenged the Pharisees and ??? THEIR SCRIBES???? and ??? THE ELDERS???? why was he crucified?

Umm, because he challenged them?

 

[irosie91]

Umm, because he challenged them?

the people you described could not crucify ANYONE.
Crucifixion ain't kosher. Contrary to the notations in your
Sunday school coloring book, even the one showing a man
nailed on a cross------it could not be done. The romans did it,
the greek freaks did it, the persians did it------but there were no
kosher hebrew national crosses----ever. Even Herod didn't do it.
Knocking off the head of John the Baptist was not exactly kosher--
but even he would not CRUCIFY John-----he had jews in the family.
They would never have eaten in THAT palace again

 

[norwegen]

the people you described could not crucify ANYONE.
Crucifixion ain't kosher. Contrary to the notations in your
Sunday school coloring book, even the one showing a man
nailed on a cross------it could not be done. The romans did it,
the greek freaks did it, the persians did it------but there were no
kosher hebrew national crosses----ever. Even Herod didn't do it.
Knocking off the head of John the Baptist was not exactly kosher--
but even he would not CRUCIFY John-----he had jews in the family.
They would never have eaten in THAT palace again

Well, according to the Bible, the Jews had him crucified.

Ain't been to Sunday School lately?

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, according to the Bible, the Jews had him crucified.

Ain't been to Sunday School lately?

The bottom line is that all he was, was the world's first recorded Hippie,

Well, according to the Bible, the Jews had him crucified.

and who stood in the way, according to the bible - certainly not the apostles ... throughout history for those short lived, free thinking, non violent moments ending in the same tragedies - also not mentioned in their book - liberation theology, what they all tried to kill. from then to the present time.

 

[irosie91]

Well, according to the Bible, the Jews had him crucified.

Ain't been to Sunday School lately?

not lately. I tried to color the little lamb that Jesus held with
the white crayon----but it that crayon always had SPECKS of
other colors in it so the little lamb came up DIRTY---so I gave
up. But I did read the book. What a joke!!!!!

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

their death was an example for others to follow, as some have to bring to fruition what they failed to accomplish the religion of antiquity, liberation theology to bring heaven back to Earth. through personal deeds and endurance ...

- and what do you have having never read the christian bible. there exists nothing saved or given from the itinerant is a message in of itself - from them.

That is true.

Just the opposite. It means Christ's work on the cross wasn't enough, so we need to add to it. Like Christ needed help. It is an insult to God.

Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

The exact opposite of what you think:
Ephesians 2: 8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”

Our righteousness is like that of Christs enemies, who wanted to condemn whoever thinking they were saving themselves, fooling themselves. Christ does whatever good thing we do, through us.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

The people who killed Jesus is very relevant. Jesus didn't challenge the Romans; he had no reason to. He challenged the Jews. The Pharisees and their scribes, the elders, and the chief priests being the targets of his scorn is a necessary element in the story.

The reason Jesus did not war against the romans is this: Jesus has an eternal kingdom that is not of this earth. He said that to Pontious Pilate with Pontious Pilate missing what Jesus said, entirely.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The reason Jesus did not war against the romans is this: Jesus has an eternal kingdom that is not of this earth. He said that to Pontious Pilate with Pontious Pilate missing what Jesus said, entirely.

He figured out what it meant when Jesus came back! Just like these guys. Holy Shit!

When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”