You're not getting it Todd. It doesn't matter if it WAS a magic carpet and if it was TOTALLY responsible for every advance ever made in human history. We just CANNOT use it anymore because it's killing us. Open the eyes Todd... open the eyes.
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That reminds me, when Moses was disputing with Pharaoh's magician-lawyers Jannes and Jambres in court -- Exodus 9:3-6 -- somehow Israel must have obtained a restitution of cattle for cattle, living for dead, from the Egyptians, for all the cattle that died in the murrain for which the Egyptians were held responsible because of the general conditions of filth exemplified by plagues of flies, lice, frogs, nasty boils on the skin, etc., etc.Abu Afak is worried about how many dead and you want to know how many are still alive. Since we are very likely to be able to say any choice will accomplish both, you need to compare the numbers saved to the numbers lost for every option. It was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion to step away from the histrionics and weigh cost/benefits for these choices in a more grounded, pragmatic and objective manner.
The New World Order's government-mandated proprietary “vaccinations” -- from Italian «vacca» for “cow” -- for COVID-19® and the involuntary treatment of people as cattle for purposes of “herd immunity” and such -- do not inspire our confidence in the medical establishment’s respect for human rights -- let alone their competency in matters of veterinary care.
We just CANNOT use it anymore because it's killing us.
Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020
Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- As the harm from climate change becomes increasingly manifest, there is some good news: The estimated cost of reducing carbon emissions is falling rapidly. One dramatic example is an analysis by Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6...ca.finance.yahoo.com
"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand......Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...[......]
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We just CANNOT use it anymore because it's killing us.
Hilarious!
How much more land do we need to grow our food without manufactured fertilizer?
50% more? I guess we could eat Soylent Green.
Just make it with solar. DURR.
We just CANNOT use it anymore because it's killing us.
Hilarious!
How much more land do we need to grow our food without manufactured fertilizer?
50% more? I guess we could eat Soylent Green.
Just make it with solar. DURR.
I'm not opposed to using petroleum to make fertilizer. Did you not see my comment about petroleum as a materials resource.
But at least the wood and dung was / is carbon neutral. My problem is ignoring tons of idiots here, then forgetting some may have responded in between others.. I see justinacolmena thinks I'm wealthy, hilarious! No, I still burn wood occasionally and run the old oil furnace, but mostly I'm loving how the new pellet stove I installed last summer saves my back and legs from much of the old pain and strain for roughly the same cost as the oil and annual professional maintenance alone.
See, turns out you need a decent little soot vacuum with a pellet stove, so I'll just be using that to keep the oil heater reasonably clean from now on instead of paying some other fat slob to make a stinky mess of things for like $400 above the "blue plan" or whatever bullshit they call it now. I really don't think I'll have any trouble getting heating oil delivered on an as needed basis every two or three years perhaps. Talk about entitled, you'd probably be amazed by how stunned and stubbornly my heating oil company refused to believe I was dumping them. They demanded to know who I had switched to, lol!
Keeping the little chimney clean is also cake compared to wire brushing the creosote loose from the big, old SS chimney liner. The pellet "ash" collected from the entire winter amounts to and weighs practically nothing, which can then just be tossed around the lawn or garden for fertilizer. But, like burning wood, it does tend to stink up the neighborhood at times. Plus it's made a fine mess of my siding which I'll have to start dealing with soon..
Hell, I was even burning coal last winter, no longer able to process the four to five cords of wood required to keep the oil man crying. I found I could stretch the firewood a lot by adding coal. But that was really gross. I'm happy to move on and hopefully burn nothing at all in another 5 to 10 years..
Thanks for that excellent rebuttal.Don't you think there's a little more to it than just fossil fuels? Agricultural science, plant breeding, medicine, transportation, food preservation, refrigeration, soil science, biology, nutrition science, etc, etc, etc. I'm not denying that the energy available from fossil fuels helped a lot, but it wasn't a magic carpet to food-for-all. And now it's time to move on. We can get energy by other means; means that aren't going to catastrophically alter the planet's climate over the next several centuries. There is no more reason to hold on to fossil fuels than there was to hold on to that wood and dung.
blaa, blaa indeed. A 13.4% change in Enron land is nothing new and nothing close to "3 x" anything. Go fish until you can manage to get a "3 x" in the boat. Glad I haven't been holding my breath..blah blah blah!
In April 2020, the average price of electricity in California — across all sectors — jumped by 7.7% over April 2019 numbers. Residential electricity costs jumped even more. In April 2020, residential consumers in California were paying 20.47 cents per kilowatt-hour, an increase of 13.4% over April 2019 prices.Jul 8, 2020
Not if you include the cost of battery backup which is what will be required if solar and wind are to replace fossil fuels. If you include those costs it will be two to three times more.Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
Peter R. Orszag
Bloomberg
September 22, 2020
Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power
(Bloomberg Opinion) -- As the harm from climate change becomes increasingly manifest, there is some good news: The estimated cost of reducing carbon emissions is falling rapidly. One dramatic example is an analysis by Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6...ca.finance.yahoo.com
"...Geoffrey Heal of Columbia University showing that it would cost only $6 billion a year for the U.S. to move to carbon-free electricity generation by 2050.Even if the precise numbers are off, Heal is right to emphasize that the transition to cleaner energy is much less costly today than it used to be. Three forces are changing the math.First, renewable power costs are dropping so fast, both utility-scale solar and onshore wind power have become cheaper than natural gas or coal power, as Lazard’s levelized-cost-of-energy estimates from 2019 show. As I wrote when these numbers came out, multiple forces have driven costs down, including ongoing improvements in technology and lower capital costs. (In November, Lazard will have updated estimates of the cost of various energy technologies.)Second, the cost of storing renewable energy is also falling. The challenge with wind and solar energy is that they are intermittent, so they require either supplemental conventional power, such as combined-cycle natural gas, or enough storage to smooth the variation relative to demand. As storage becomes more affordable than supplementation, the share of energy production based solely on renewable power can expand......Third, and crucially, many power plants are nearing the end of their useful lives and need to be replaced one way or another. That means the cost of building new facilities is a given, and shouldn’t be counted as a cost of the transition to lower-carbon electricity. ...[......]
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what costs came down? Ask Germany!!!Cost has always been the key, and the only excuse the nutters have. It was inevitable that costs would come down.
Exciting news. Hopefully this country really HAS hit rock bottom and we're about to reverse course.
because they aren't. There's that.And they will ignore the degree to which the fossil fuel industry is subsidized.