Price Is No Longer an Obstacle to Clean Power

[HenryBHough]

You think that if somebody gave you free solar panels you'd have free electricity?

Look at California - still trying to mandate meters on private water wells so the state can charge you for the water under your (once) private property. Do you really think you can avoid having to install (after buying from some state agency) a meter on your solar system (or windmill) so you will pay the state for that power? And when that happens do you honestly believe you won't have to pay for a mandatory state inspection every year (at first, then soon every month)?

You to?

I have some black painted plywood you can put on your home and wire it up tomorrow!

 

[Old Rocks]

Lol. You've "posted" innumeracy. Not even Enron would want you.

How much has the usa spent on solar panels?

You claim the price is cheap. Hiw much are we paying and how much will it cost?

How much have we paid for coal and natural gas? What is the cost of lung damage that burning coal has caused? What is the value of the decrease in viability of plants downwind from the coal plants? How about the cost of the environmental damage to the watersheds below the mountain top mining? What about aquifers damaged by fracking for natural gas?

 

[abu afak]

The GND is in good part now happening without legislation
because it works on many fronts.


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[badger2]

Nope, badger’s paid-for solar recharging system (e-bike, computer, small batteries, shaver, Dremel tool, etc.) creates personalized free energy after the initial investment, with very few moving parts. One first believes the truth, Einstein: even on overcast days, the cup is half full rather than half empty.

 

[abu afak]

Nope, badger’s paid-for solar recharging system (e-bike, computer, small batteries, shaver, Dremel tool, etc.) creates personalized free energy after the initial investment, with very few moving parts. One first believes the truth, Einstein: even on overcast days, the cup is half full rather than half empty.

You're not off the grid, you ARE a mini-grid.
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[skookerasbil]

Lol. You've "posted" innumeracy. Not even Enron would want you.

How much has the usa spent on solar panels?

You claim the price is cheap. Hiw much are we paying and how much will it cost?

How much have we paid for coal and natural gas? What is the cost of lung damage that burning coal has caused? What is the value of the decrease in viability of plants downwind from the coal plants? How about the cost of the environmental damage to the watersheds below the mountain top mining? What about aquifers damaged by fracking for natural gas?

Have you ever heard of China?

 

[abu afak]

How much have we paid for coal and natural gas? What is the cost of lung damage that burning coal has caused? What is the value of the decrease in viability of plants downwind from the coal plants? How about the cost of the environmental damage to the watersheds below the mountain top mining? What about aquifers damaged by fracking for natural gas?

AND how much still in the air, and how many dead because of it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How much have we paid for coal and natural gas? What is the cost of lung damage that burning coal has caused? What is the value of the decrease in viability of plants downwind from the coal plants? How about the cost of the environmental damage to the watersheds below the mountain top mining? What about aquifers damaged by fracking for natural gas?

AND how much still in the air, and how many dead because of it.

And how many alive because of it?

 

[Crick]

I suggest you look at the ratios.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I suggest you look at the ratios.

Which ratios?

 

[Crick]

The living and the dead, of course.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The living and the dead, of course.

Explain the logic behind using that ratio.

 

[justinacolmena]

Price Is No Longer an Obstacle

That fucker is too rich.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Crick,
Pretty sure abu afak was referring to environmental pollutants from our reliance upon extracted coal (, crud oil) and natural gas.. (wait,.. gotta catch my breath here a sec).. lingering in the atmosphere. Of course, the seas and trees tend to buffer that all bigly.. Glaciers, algae, grass, peat.. Lots of increased cyclical horror yet to look forward to.. Hold onto your hats.. Oh, boy!

(my apologies if you were just responding to the OP. Would never presume to 'splain any of this to you)

 

[justinacolmena]

environmental pollutants from our reliance upon extracted coal (, crud oil) and natural gas..

Once again, the guy's too rich, and he wants to strangle all his neighbors with environmental regulations and foreclose on their homes with exorbitant public utility bills.

 

[Crick]

The living and the dead, of course.

Explain the logic behind using that ratio.

The living and the dead, of course.

Explain the logic behind using that ratio.

Abu Afak is worried about how many dead and you want to know how many are still alive. Since we are very likely to be able to say any choice will accomplish both, you need to compare the numbers saved to the numbers lost for every option. It was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion to step away from the histrionics and weigh cost/benefits for these choices in a more grounded, pragmatic and objective manner.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The living and the dead, of course.

Explain the logic behind using that ratio.

The living and the dead, of course.

Explain the logic behind using that ratio.

Abu Afak is worried about how many dead and you want to know how many are still alive. Since we are very likely to be able to say any choice will accomplish both, you need to compare the numbers saved to the numbers lost for every option. It was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion to step away from the histrionics and weigh cost/benefits for these choices in a more grounded, pragmatic and objective manner.

Abu Afak is worried about how many dead and you want to know how many are still alive.

Nope.

Using fossil fuels to raise our standard of living has allowed us to feed billions more than
using wood and dung for fuel.

 

[Crick]

Don't you think there's a little more to it than just fossil fuels? Agricultural science, plant breeding, medicine, transportation, food preservation, refrigeration, soil science, biology, nutrition science, etc, etc, etc. I'm not denying that the energy available from fossil fuels helped a lot, but it wasn't a magic carpet to food-for-all. And now it's time to move on. We can get energy by other means; means that aren't going to catastrophically alter the planet's climate over the next several centuries. There is no more reason to hold on to fossil fuels than there was to hold on to that wood and dung.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Don't you think there's a little more to it than just fossil fuels? Agricultural science, plant breeding, medicine, transportation, food preservation, refrigeration, soil science, biology, nutrition science, etc, etc, etc. I'm not denying that the energy available from fossil fuels helped a lot, but it wasn't a magic carpet to food-for-all. And now it's time to move on. We can get energy by other means; means that aren't going to catastrophically alter the planet's climate over the next several centuries. There is no more reason to hold on to fossil fuels than there was to hold on to that wood and dung.

Don't you think there's a little more to it than just fossil fuels?

You're not going to make useful amounts of fertilizer without fossil fuels.
Or refrigerate and transport much food.

I'm not denying that the energy available from fossil fuels helped a lot, but it wasn't a magic carpet to food-for-all.

Not a lot of the advances you listed are coming from low tech/low energy civilizations.

 

[justinacolmena]

Abu Afak is worried about how many dead and you want to know how many are still alive. Since we are very likely to be able to say any choice will accomplish both, you need to compare the numbers saved to the numbers lost for every option. It was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion to step away from the histrionics and weigh cost/benefits for these choices in a more grounded, pragmatic and objective manner.

That reminds me, when Moses was disputing with Pharaoh's magician-lawyers Jannes and Jambres in court -- Exodus 9:3-6 -- somehow Israel must have obtained a restitution of cattle for cattle, living for dead, from the Egyptians, for all the cattle that died in the murrain for which the Egyptians were held responsible because of the general conditions of filth exemplified by plagues of flies, lice, frogs, nasty boils on the skin, etc., etc.

The New World Order's government-mandated proprietary “vaccinations” -- from Italian «vacca» for “cow” -- for COVID-19® and the involuntary treatment of people as cattle for purposes of “herd immunity” and such -- do not inspire our confidence in the medical establishment’s respect for human rights -- let alone their competency in matters of veterinary care.