Pa voter id law struck down

[martybegan]

Where do you say all these cheaters will find names, addresses, voting locations and whether or not they've already voted or not? Is there an app for that?

Now you are discussing complexity, not possibility.

No, it is not possible. It is in fact impossible.

You have a wierd definition of impossible.

Its easily possible.

 

[g5000]

In-person fraud is extremely rare. And I hope this topic has taught you goons why that is.

 

[g5000]

Now you are discussing complexity, not possibility.

No, it is not possible. It is in fact impossible.

You have a wierd definition of impossible.

Its easily possible.

It is in fact impossible to acquire a running list of people who have not yet voted.

And note the key word is "yet". Those who have not voted yet may still vote later in the day.

Are you people thinking? At all?

 

[Freewill]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbQkgwpFdo8]Ohio Woman: "I Voted Twice." - YouTube[/ame]

BTW this woman trampled on you constitutional right to a fair election no matter how small.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Commonwealth Court Judge Bernard L. McGinley, a Democrat, said the law would unreasonably burden the fundamental right to vote, and the state had been unable to convincingly explain why it was necessary.

So by the judge's logic, having to show an ID and have a background check run also unreasonably burdens the fundamental right to bear arms, yes?

Guns and votes have two different purposes

Irrelevant. Both are rights enshrouded in the Constitution.

 

[Freewill]

I am typing very slowly. Joe is Mike's brother who is voting for both of them. He made a mistake and said Joe at first the second time, not being very bright or honest. Maybe you're Joe?

CROOK: Hi. I'm Joe Schmuckatelli. I'm here to vote.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER: [checks voter registration list] Oh, yes. Here you are. [checks name off list] And here is your ballot.

CROOK: Har de har har! [votes for Muslim Kenyan marxist]

[ten minutes later...]

JOE SCHMUCKATELLI: Hi. I'm Joe Schmuckatelli. I'm here to vote.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER:[checks voter registration list] Oh goodness! You've already voted!



And THAT, you morons, is why impersonation fraud is so rare, and why it cannot be perpetrated undetected on a large scale.

And that is why we do not need another government hurdle like Voter ID to vote, you liberal-minded rubes.

Hi. I'm Joe Schmuckatelli. I'm here to vote.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER: [checks voter registration list] Oh, yes. Here you are. [checks name off list] And here is your ballot.

CROOK: Har de har har! [votes for Muslim Kenyan marxist]

[ten minutes later...]

JOE SCHMUCKATELLI: Hi. I'm Joe Schmuckatelli. I'm here to vote.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER:[checks voter registration list] Oh goodness! You've already voted!

JOE SCHMUCKATELLI: Oh, did you think I said Joe, I am Mike Schmuckatelli.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER: Oh, dear my mistake. Here's you ballot.

Maybe that is what YOU would do if you are Joe Schmuckatelli.

Me, I'm going to raise the alarm. Someone voted in my name.

Now spend another ten seconds and consider just how impossible it would be to pull this off on a scale large enough to swing an election. Are you really stupid enough to believe all those eligible voters who showed up to vote and found someone else voted in their name will just go home and not say anything?

Are you people thinking? At all?

 

[g5000]

Ohio Woman: "I Voted Twice." - YouTube

Didja see that caption on the video?

Voter ID won't stop that kind of fraud. As I have said time and time and time again.

And did you notice that was Ohio?

Ohio has Voter ID. They have for a long time.

VOTER ID FAIL AGAIN!

Thank you for demonstrating, once again, that Voter ID is completely ineffective at stopping the kind of fraud which occurs.

Are you people thinking? At all?

 

[martybegan]

No, it is not possible. It is in fact impossible.

You have a wierd definition of impossible.

Its easily possible.

It is in fact impossible to acquire a running list of people who have not yet voted.

And note the key word is "yet". Those who have not voted yet may still vote later in the day.

Are you people thinking? At all?

If they are dead and still on the rolls, its quite easy to vote for them.

And your assumption is election workers in a given area are 100% honest, all the time.

 

[mamooth]

Showing up and voting on election day is not a burden.

Then you agree to ban absentee ballots, the source of most vote fraud? If you check any vote fraud case where fraudulent ballots exceed 10, it's always done through absentee ballots.

If you really can't show up, the fill out an absentee and file it.

Oh wait, that would require consistency. And shutting down a favorite Republican fraud source.

It's all about payoff and risk.

There's no motivation for a person to vote multiple times using fake ID's, as the payoff is insignificant compared to the huge risk involved.

Shift to someone filling out an absentee ballot for a family member or person in a nursing home, and the risk plummets to near zero. Hence, there's enough motivation to do it, even though the payoff is small.

And manipulating large batches of phony absentee ballots gives a big payoff with moderate risk, so that actually is done occasionally.

 

[martybegan]

Ohio Woman: "I Voted Twice." - YouTube

Didja see that caption on the video?

Voter ID won't stop that kind of fraud. As I have said time and time and time agan.

And did you notice that was Ohio?

Ohio has Voter ID. They have for a long time.

VOTER ID FAIL AGAIN!

MURDER LAW FAIL

Landlord Found Brutally Murdered In Brooklyn Building « CBS New York

Guess we should scrap all murder laws.

 

[g5000]

Ohio Woman: "I Voted Twice." - YouTube

Didja see that caption on the video?

Voter ID won't stop that kind of fraud. As I have said time and time and time agan.

And did you notice that was Ohio?

Ohio has Voter ID. They have for a long time.

VOTER ID FAIL AGAIN!

MURDER LAW FAIL

Landlord Found Brutally Murdered In Brooklyn Building « CBS New York

Guess we should scrap all murder laws.

Your logical fallacies are getting worse by the minute.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Hi. I'm Joe Schmuckatelli. I'm here to vote.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER: [checks voter registration list] Oh, yes. Here you are. [checks name off list] And here is your ballot.

CROOK: Har de har har! [votes for Muslim Kenyan marxist]

[ten minutes later...]

JOE SCHMUCKATELLI: Hi. I'm Joe Schmuckatelli. I'm here to vote.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER:[checks voter registration list] Oh goodness! You've already voted!

JOE SCHMUCKATELLI: Oh, did you think I said Joe, I am Mike Schmuckatelli.

OLD LADY VOLUNTEER: Oh, dear my mistake. Here's you ballot.

Maybe that is what YOU would do if you are Joe Schmuckatelli.

Me, I'm going to raise the alarm. Someone voted in my name.

Now spend another ten seconds and consider just how impossible it would be to pull this off on a scale large enough to swing an election. Are you really stupid enough to believe all those eligible voters who showed up to vote and found someone else voted in their name will just go home and not say anything?

Are you people thinking? At all?

considering all you have to do without ID requirements is give your name and know an address, how hard do you think it is?

Also voter rolls are public documents, as are death records.

Tell us how easy it is. I mean. seriously. How easy is it? Where do you find that information on a large scale to swing an election?

 

[martybegan]

Showing up and voting on election day is not a burden.

Then you agree to ban absentee ballots, the source of most vote fraud? If you check any vote fraud case where fraudulent ballots exceed 10, it's always done through absentee ballots.

If you really can't show up, the fill out an absentee and file it.

Oh wait, that would require consistency. And shutting down a favorite Republican fraud source.

It's all about payoff and risk.

There's no motivation for a person to vote multiple times using fake ID's, as the payoff is insignificant compared to the huge risk involved.

Shift to someone filling out an absentee ballot for a family member or person in a nursing home, and the risk plummets to near zero. Hence, there's enough motivation to do it, even though the payoff is small.

And manipulating large batches of phony absentee ballots gives a big payoff with moderate risk, so that actually is done occasionally.

With proper voter rolls and adequate ID'ing of people voting with confirmable ID#'s abentee fraud becomes much harder, as long, of course, as you need to provide an ID# on the outside of the ballot.

 

[martybegan]

Maybe that is what YOU would do if you are Joe Schmuckatelli.

Me, I'm going to raise the alarm. Someone voted in my name.

Now spend another ten seconds and consider just how impossible it would be to pull this off on a scale large enough to swing an election. Are you really stupid enough to believe all those eligible voters who showed up to vote and found someone else voted in their name will just go home and not say anything?

Are you people thinking? At all?

considering all you have to do without ID requirements is give your name and know an address, how hard do you think it is?

Also voter rolls are public documents, as are death records.

Tell us how easy it is. I mean. seriously. How easy is it? Where do you find that information on a large scale to swing an election?

All you need is a few, depending on the election.

United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[g5000]

If you were a conservative, you would fight them.

If you weren't a democrat, you would..

You know what we used to call people like who demand more government intervention to enact completely ineffective policies?

LIBERALS!!!

Where as we just call you a leftist.

What needs ID?

Using and EBT for welfare and food stamps. (Poor People)
Exercising the second amendment right to buy a gun. (Constitutional Right)
Buying ammunition
Buying a fishing license
Renting an apartment
Using a credit card
Driving a car
Boarding an airplane
Ordering an alcoholic drink

But democrats say that ID cannot be used to choose the leaders of the country...

The reason is painfully obvious.

You democrats demanding that ID cannot be used in voting is not different than burglars demanding that locks on doors be outlawed.

And here we see the same tired apples and oranges comparison fallacy again. Christ, I even pre-emptively addressed the alcohol one but you went ahead and tripped over yourself with it anyway.

Is there a better way to sell someone a drink and ensure they are over 21 besides asking them for an ID?

Nope.

Is buying a drink and hoping the guy doesn't know you are under 21 the same as someone impersonating someone else at the voting booth?

Nope.


The same fallacy is at work in all your bogus comparisons.

 

[zeke]

MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD IN OHIO.

12 fraudulent votes were found to be cast in the last election cycle. You did not read that wrong. That's right; 12 votes.

Has Ohio got a massive voter fraud problem or what?

And we are gonna fix it. No fragile Democracy like ours can stand under the pressure of having a dozen fraudulent votes cast.

Much better to discourage 50 thousand from even bothering to vote than have a dozen dummies casting fraudulent votes.

 

[ClosedCaption]

considering all you have to do without ID requirements is give your name and know an address, how hard do you think it is?

Also voter rolls are public documents, as are death records.

Tell us how easy it is. I mean. seriously. How easy is it? Where do you find that information on a large scale to swing an election?

All you need is a few, depending on the election.

United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No you need a lot. But tell me how easy is it to find that info? Like where would someone find all that?

 

[g5000]

considering all you have to do without ID requirements is give your name and know an address, how hard do you think it is?

You have to know that person is registered and has not voted yet.

Also voter rolls are public documents, as are death records.

How do you know if Joe Schmuckatelli has voted yet?

You don't.

This is why in-person voter fraud is extremely rare.

 

[g5000]

Since Voter ID has virtually no impact on reducing voter fraud, it is a colossal waste. A liberal waste of time and money.

Instead of focusing on doing things which would ACTUALLY stop voter fraud, which I would fully support, the faux "conservatives" have decided instead to focus on something which impacts low income and seniors the most and which does not actually stop the types of fraud which occur.

Hmmmm...

Coincidence?

Smoke and mirrors, rubes. Smoke and mirrors.

In its rush to madness, the Right has also become obsessed with ensuring everyone carries the proper national identity papers wherever they go.

Hmmm...

Sound familiar?

 

[g5000]

MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD IN OHIO.

12 fraudulent votes were found to be cast in the last election cycle. You did not read that wrong. That's right; 12 votes.

Has Ohio got a massive voter fraud problem or what?

And we are gonna fix it. No fragile Democracy like ours can stand under the pressure of having a dozen fraudulent votes cast.

Much better to discourage 50 thousand from even bothering to vote than have a dozen dummies casting fraudulent votes.

Ohio has Voter ID and they still have voter fraud going on? Say it ain't so!