Origins of the Koran

[hazlnut]

Of the 5 major world religions, young ones, Islam and Christianity have a rather heavy handed approach to marketing and recruitment.

These are just observations about what they have in common:

**Follow us or you're going to a lake of fire, hell, eternal damnation.

**The other religions are fakes and we're the only true way.

**We have the market cornered on the one true God.

**Both have history of violence and bloodshed in the name of their deity.

I know the the other 3 majors (Buddhism, Hindu, and Judaism) have their own low points in history and overzealous practitioner, but nothing compared to the two young faiths.

 

[abu afak]

"And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying ... he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him." Leviticus 24:13-16

What was that about only Muslims killing blasphemers?

And uh...
How many Jews HAVE been Killed for Blasphemy or Apostasy recently.

What was that Idiotic/backfiring repartee you just tried?
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[theword]

Muslims like to Claim that while other Holy Books are written by man, the Koran is 'perfect' and 'as delivered' by God.
That, of course, is Ludicrous for various reasons. Not least of which the book is cobbled together from various dubious sources. Much of it lost and certainly not the word of any god in any case.
And there is strong evidence, the earliest known Korans, the "Sana'a Hoard", are 'Palimpsests', written over old and altered text.

From: The Origins of the Koran,
Classic Essays on Islam's Holy Book
Ed. Ibn Warraq. Prometheus Books
The Origins of the Koran Ed. Ibn Warraq. Prometheus Books

I. Introduction

"....While modern Muslims may be committed to an Impossibly conservative position, Muslim scholars of the early years of Islam were far more flexible, Realizing that parts of the Koran were Lost, Perverted, and that there were many Thousand variants which made it impossible to talk of Koran.

For example, As-Suyuti (died 1505), one of the most famous and revered of the commentators of the Koran, quotes Ibn Umar al Khattab as saying:
"Let No one of you say that he has acquired the entire Quran, for how does he know that it is all. Much of the Quran has been Lost, thus let him say, "I have acquired of it what is available" -Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72).

Aisha the favorite wife of the Prophet, says, also according to a tradition recounted by as-Suynti,
"During the time of the Prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be Two Hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Quran, only the current (verses) were recorded" (73).

As-Suyuti also tells this story about Uba ibn Ka'b, one of the great companions of Muhammad:
"This famous companion asked one of the Muslims,
"How many verses in the chapter of the Parties?" He said,
"Seventy-three verses." He (Uba) told him, "It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning". The man asked, "What is the verse of the Stoning?" He (Uba) said, "If an old man or woman committed adultery, stone them to death."

As noted earlier, since there was No single document collecting all the revelations, after Muhammad's death in 632 C.E., many of his followers tried to gather all the known revelations and write them down in codex form.
Soon we had the codices of several scholars....."

".....The problem was aggravated by the fact that the consonantal text was unpointed, that is to say, the dots that distinguish, for example, a "b" from a "t" or a "th" were missing. Several other letters (f and q; j, h, and kh; s and d; r and z; s and sh; d and dh, t and z) were indistinguishable.
In other words, the Koran was written in a scripta defectiva.
As a result, a great many variant readings were possible according to the way the text was pointed (had the dots added).

Vowels presented an even Worse problem. Originally, the Arabs had no signs for the short vowels: the Arab script is consonantal. ....using different vowels, of course, rendered different readings. The scripta plena, which allowed a fully voweled and pointed text, was not perfected until the late 9th century....

The problems posed by the scripta defectiva inevitably led to the growth of different centers with their own variant traditions of how the texts should be pointed or vowelized. Despite Uthman's order to destroy all texts other than his own, it is evident that the Older codices survived...."

EDIT: Note the 'Sunni Man' TROLLING Below. (now THRICE)
This is a very Valid String topic for this section and I prefaced the aricle with Why it is[/u].
"AND..." is a NOT a valid response, merely a Juvenile Wisecrack because he doesn't like the content.
Pretend you're an adult and Post ON TOPIC please.
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Many of the teachings in the Quran comes from Roman Catholic dogma that was taught to the false prophet Mohammad to get a successful following going. He was nothing until he started using Catholic teachings to lure in his victims.

 

[Sunni Man]

Many of the teachings in the Quran comes from Roman Catholic dogma that was taught to the false prophet Mohammad to get a successful following going. He was nothing until he started using Catholic teachings to lure in his victims.

Would you be so kind and list some of these Roman Catholic 'teachings' that you claim are in the Quran?? ...

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Before reading a site about the orign or validity of a given faith or its' religious text, go to the source. If you just wanna bash and cirticize any nay-sayer's site will do. But if your intent is to actually learn about something, going to an official site is what to do.

Wanna learn about the Bible and Christianity, go to biblegateway.com

Wanna learn about Torah and Judaism go to The Complete Tanach with Rashi's Commentary - Tanakh Online - Torah - Bible

Wanna learn about Islam and Qur'an go to The Noble Qur'an - ?????? ??????

thousands of alternatives, but these are ones off the top of my head. But you wont learn about anything real if you to biblesucks.com or the like.

 

[natstew]

"Patriotic muslim American" is an oxymoron.

 

[ekrem]

I know the the other 3 majors (Buddhism, Hindu, and Judaism) have their own low points in history and overzealous practitioner, but nothing compared to the two young faiths.

The "other" 3 did not have the followers (numbers) or were simply too far away to be a competition.
In old times the power-centers of Islam and Christianity centered around the Mediteranean.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The Holy Qu'ran was given by Allah (God) and His Messenger Muhammad

Ajjah is satan and mohamed was a child raping liar.