Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

[Coyote]

P F Tinmore, Coyote, et al,

And imbedded here, are a couple of the arguments the Palestinians use.

I see "selfish" intent in those who seek to disenfranchise a people by insisting they are "invaders" and by implication - that they have no rights to the region even though they have been there for centuries.

The indigenous people of Palestine were not just the Jews. They included Muslims and Christians who descended from people that predated the arrival of Islam. Yet people keep insisting that they are "squatters", "invaders". They are as indigenous as the Jews. That means they have rights there.

(COMMENT)

The original intent by the Allied Powers invested with the rights and title surrendered by the Ottoman and Turks, was that Jewish Immigrants and the Arab inhabitants would somehow live together. The Allied Powers in 1916 thru 1920 did not grasp the Incompatibility of temperament (“not able to live in harmonious or agreeable combination") that would reveal itself and demonstrate that the cultures are diametrically opposed (characterized by opposite extremes) and hardily resistant to assimilation. The Mandatory drove this point home twice when the British Foreign Secretary in a report (18th February 1947) to the House of Commons that:

“His Majesty’s Government have …been faced with an irreconcilable conflict of principles. There are in Palestine about 1,200,000 Arabs and 600,000 Jews. For the Jews the essential point of principle is the creation of sovereign Jewish State. For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine.

"We shall explain that the Mandate has proved to be unworkable in practice, and that the obligations undertaken to the two communities in Palestine have been shown to be irreconcilable."​

You must be careful to understand the twist behind the Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arab Palestinians want to apply law and rights that did not exist in the period. Remember. all the way up to May 1945, the deportation of Jews from Nazi-occupied territories all across Europe --- transporting Jews to the extermination camps in Poland begins. There were no Human Rights laws, or protocols of self-determination.

OK, but none of that had anything to do with the creation of Israel.

(COMMENT)

I has everything to do with the immigration, naturalization, and the establishment of sovereignty. It is the original --- "why" --- that the Allied Powers (early on in the century) even entertained the idea --- and --- gave serious consideration to the establishment of theJewish National Home. And, it became even almost a categorical imperative (the necessity to bring into existence an obligation on the part of the Allied Powers to carry out the relevant action) after WWII and the assessment of the European countries that accepted Anti-Jewish policies imposed upon NAZI occupied Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, and in other European countries under NAZI domination.

There was no reason to expect that any European Leadership could be trusted in the future to come to the aid of the Jewish People. A solution had to be found in which the Jewish People had a safe haven that they could defend against anti-Jewish activities under the color of law.

"The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which her captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for 908 Jewish refugees from Germany, after they were denied entry to Cuba and the United States, until finally accepted in various European countries, which were later engulfed in World War II. Historians have estimated that, after their return to Europe, approximately a quarter of the ship's passengers died in death camps." From: Wikipedia
​

The existence of the State of Israel is a culmination of a series of events that gradually build the conditions for the Declarations of Independence. But the reasons behind the General Assemble of 1947 adopted the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" are numerous and varied. And the fact that the leadership of the Arab League so blatantly initiated a multinational attack on Israel in 1948 to circumvent the intentions of the General Assembly, was a very common occurrence in the history of Jewish People; not two years before, subjected to NAZI extermination camps, concentration camps, and forced labor camps.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, I think we are arguing two completely different things.

Are or are not the Palestinians of today descendents of a mix of indiginous peoples who converted to Christianity and Islam when those religions dominated the territory, and new migrants from surrounding areas? That is what people are trying to deny - the claim that the only real Palestinians were Jews is false.

Are not the Jews in today's Israel a combination of the descendents of a mix of indiginous peoples who retained their faith and immigrants from around the world who maintained their faith in the diaspora but also had to marry outside of their ethnic group in order to survive the diaspora as a people?

And Rocco - what is the purpose in claiming that Muslim Palestinians are not indiginous? Is it the same purpose as claiming that Jews are not indiginous? An effort to disenfranchise the legitimate rights of a native people?

NO they are recent arrivals from wholly Islamic nations in the vicinity of Palestine. This is shown when the UN had to alter existing rules for refugee status so that the arab muslim illegal immigrants could be covered. Even then they had to create a new UN body to provide for their welfare because the majority of "Palestinians" had less than two years residency in Palestine.

Some of them are, just like some of the Jews are immigrants from Europe.

The geneticists find that the majority of Jews have a common ancestor that the Palestinians don't, they have even narrowed them down to individual tribes the DNA is that positive and foolproof.
The purpose is to show the extent that anti Jews and Nazis will go to when it comes to demonising the Jews and denying them their rights under international laws. The muslims are not a native people, they themselves claim to be Syrian and Egyptian before being Palestinian.

Yet those same genetics show close ties between Jews and "Palestinians".
Blood brothers: Palestinians and Jews share genetic roots

The Muslims are descendents of indiginous people who converted to Islam and migrants from surrounding areas.

The only purpose here is to show the extent people like you will go to to demonize people who have lived in the area for centuries. I'm not demonizing anyone. I freely agree that the indiginous population comprises Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The only reason to say otherwise in the face of history is to try to disenfranchise one or the other - is that what you are doing?

And the arab muslims say they are Syrians and Egyptians. The studies done show that in the 1800's the arab muslims were nomadic and travelled around the whole area. They were not static and could be working in Hebron today and Homs next week. So are they Palestinian or Iranian ? The tests come up with an 85% to 90% match which is the same for man and the great apes down to man and a banana, so how does this mean that Palestinians and Jews are closely related. Look at the studies presented by monte that claim the whole of the European Jewish community is descended from just 4 females. That would mean the inter-breeding would have created genetic mutations and a survival rate of today of less than 10%.

You want to look at demonization then look no further than team palestine's attacks on the Jews around their ancestry and history, with the claims of fictional groups being the Ashkenazi Jews of today.

Some were but many were settled farmers. The studies done refer to the Beduoin. The word "Arab" was used to classify a broad range of people.

To listen to you the only inhabitants of that region until 1960 were Jews and that's a blatant falsehood.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The reality is that it's quite simple, just made overcomplicated by those with a Zionist agenda. Palestine for the Palestinians; be they Christian, Jewish, or Muslim; with equal rights guaranteed by a written constitution.

You need a great deal more practice with your Islamist taqiyya-speak.

Any notion of an Islamist Pal'istanian state will mirror every other Islamist majority hell hole. There will be no allowance for the hated Christian and Jew or even the "wrong kind" of moslem.

Abbas has already established the framework for his mini caliphate and predictably, Jews are not a part of it.



The Jerusalem Post

"In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli - civilian or soldier - on our lands," Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.



It's the Islamist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism that is the complication.

Well I suppose 67 years of having to live with a Zionist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism tends to alter one's world view. I did notice he said "Israeli" not "Jewish" so the Palestinian view hasn't changed that much.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

 

[Hollie]

You need a great deal more practice with your Islamist taqiyya-speak.

Any notion of an Islamist Pal'istanian state will mirror every other Islamist majority hell hole. There will be no allowance for the hated Christian and Jew or even the "wrong kind" of moslem.

Abbas has already established the framework for his mini caliphate and predictably, Jews are not a part of it.



The Jerusalem Post

"In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli - civilian or soldier - on our lands," Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.



It's the Islamist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism that is the complication.

Well I suppose 67 years of having to live with a Zionist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism tends to alter one's world view. I did notice he said "Israeli" not "Jewish" so the Palestinian view hasn't changed that much.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

 

[Challenger]

Well I suppose 67 years of having to live with a Zionist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism tends to alter one's world view. I did notice he said "Israeli" not "Jewish" so the Palestinian view hasn't changed that much.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

 

[Shusha]

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

Oh for the love of all that is holy. Its like saying Canada forceably removed all the French people after the War of 1812 in pursuit of their apartheid agenda and then built barriers to create the open air prison that is the USA.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well I suppose 67 years of having to live with a Zionist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism tends to alter one's world view. I did notice he said "Israeli" not "Jewish" so the Palestinian view hasn't changed that much.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

 

[Hollie]

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

 

[Phoenall]

The reality is that ... its complicated

The reality is that it's quite simple, just made overcomplicated by those with a Zionist agenda. Palestine for the Palestinians; be they Christian, Jewish, or Muslim; with equal rights guaranteed by a written constitution.

You need a great deal more practice with your Islamist taqiyya-speak.

Any notion of an Islamist Pal'istanian state will mirror every other Islamist majority hell hole. There will be no allowance for the hated Christian and Jew or even the "wrong kind" of moslem.

Abbas has already established the framework for his mini caliphate and predictably, Jews are not a part of it.



The Jerusalem Post

"In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli - civilian or soldier - on our lands," Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.



It's the Islamist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism that is the complication.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument, Hollie.

So why do you pepper every one of your posts with them, things like Zionist, hasbarra and zionut ?

 

[Challenger]

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

Oh for the love of all that is holy. Its like saying Canada forceably removed all the French people after the War of 1812 in pursuit of their apartheid agenda and then built barriers to create the open air prison that is the USA.

No it isn't.

 

[Phoenall]

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Do they really, then how about a link proving this to be true.

The last I looked these were controlled by hamas as they can refuse entry into gaza and also exit from gaza. Israel just controls entry and exit from Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

Oh for the love of all that is holy. Its like saying Canada forceably removed all the French people after the War of 1812 in pursuit of their apartheid agenda and then built barriers to create the open air prison that is the USA.

No it isn't.

Yes it is but you refuse to see it as it would burst your Jew hatred bubble

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, Coyote, et al,

And imbedded here, are a couple of the arguments the Palestinians use.

(COMMENT)

The original intent by the Allied Powers invested with the rights and title surrendered by the Ottoman and Turks, was that Jewish Immigrants and the Arab inhabitants would somehow live together. The Allied Powers in 1916 thru 1920 did not grasp the Incompatibility of temperament (“not able to live in harmonious or agreeable combination") that would reveal itself and demonstrate that the cultures are diametrically opposed (characterized by opposite extremes) and hardily resistant to assimilation. The Mandatory drove this point home twice when the British Foreign Secretary in a report (18th February 1947) to the House of Commons that:

“His Majesty’s Government have …been faced with an irreconcilable conflict of principles. There are in Palestine about 1,200,000 Arabs and 600,000 Jews. For the Jews the essential point of principle is the creation of sovereign Jewish State. For the Arabs, the essential point of principle is to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of Palestine.

"We shall explain that the Mandate has proved to be unworkable in practice, and that the obligations undertaken to the two communities in Palestine have been shown to be irreconcilable."​

You must be careful to understand the twist behind the Arab-Israeli Conflict. The Arab Palestinians want to apply law and rights that did not exist in the period. Remember. all the way up to May 1945, the deportation of Jews from Nazi-occupied territories all across Europe --- transporting Jews to the extermination camps in Poland begins. There were no Human Rights laws, or protocols of self-determination.

(COMMENT)

I has everything to do with the immigration, naturalization, and the establishment of sovereignty. It is the original --- "why" --- that the Allied Powers (early on in the century) even entertained the idea --- and --- gave serious consideration to the establishment of theJewish National Home. And, it became even almost a categorical imperative (the necessity to bring into existence an obligation on the part of the Allied Powers to carry out the relevant action) after WWII and the assessment of the European countries that accepted Anti-Jewish policies imposed upon NAZI occupied Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, and in other European countries under NAZI domination.

There was no reason to expect that any European Leadership could be trusted in the future to come to the aid of the Jewish People. A solution had to be found in which the Jewish People had a safe haven that they could defend against anti-Jewish activities under the color of law.

"The MS St. Louis was a German ocean liner most notable for a single voyage in 1939, in which her captain, Gustav Schröder, tried to find homes for 908 Jewish refugees from Germany, after they were denied entry to Cuba and the United States, until finally accepted in various European countries, which were later engulfed in World War II. Historians have estimated that, after their return to Europe, approximately a quarter of the ship's passengers died in death camps." From: Wikipedia
​

The existence of the State of Israel is a culmination of a series of events that gradually build the conditions for the Declarations of Independence. But the reasons behind the General Assemble of 1947 adopted the "Steps Preparatory to Independence" are numerous and varied. And the fact that the leadership of the Arab League so blatantly initiated a multinational attack on Israel in 1948 to circumvent the intentions of the General Assembly, was a very common occurrence in the history of Jewish People; not two years before, subjected to NAZI extermination camps, concentration camps, and forced labor camps.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, I think we are arguing two completely different things.

Are or are not the Palestinians of today descendents of a mix of indiginous peoples who converted to Christianity and Islam when those religions dominated the territory, and new migrants from surrounding areas? That is what people are trying to deny - the claim that the only real Palestinians were Jews is false.

Are not the Jews in today's Israel a combination of the descendents of a mix of indiginous peoples who retained their faith and immigrants from around the world who maintained their faith in the diaspora but also had to marry outside of their ethnic group in order to survive the diaspora as a people?

And Rocco - what is the purpose in claiming that Muslim Palestinians are not indiginous? Is it the same purpose as claiming that Jews are not indiginous? An effort to disenfranchise the legitimate rights of a native people?

NO they are recent arrivals from wholly Islamic nations in the vicinity of Palestine. This is shown when the UN had to alter existing rules for refugee status so that the arab muslim illegal immigrants could be covered. Even then they had to create a new UN body to provide for their welfare because the majority of "Palestinians" had less than two years residency in Palestine.

Some of them are, just like some of the Jews are immigrants from Europe.

The geneticists find that the majority of Jews have a common ancestor that the Palestinians don't, they have even narrowed them down to individual tribes the DNA is that positive and foolproof.
The purpose is to show the extent that anti Jews and Nazis will go to when it comes to demonising the Jews and denying them their rights under international laws. The muslims are not a native people, they themselves claim to be Syrian and Egyptian before being Palestinian.

Yet those same genetics show close ties between Jews and "Palestinians".
Blood brothers: Palestinians and Jews share genetic roots

The Muslims are descendents of indiginous people who converted to Islam and migrants from surrounding areas.

The only purpose here is to show the extent people like you will go to to demonize people who have lived in the area for centuries. I'm not demonizing anyone. I freely agree that the indiginous population comprises Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The only reason to say otherwise in the face of history is to try to disenfranchise one or the other - is that what you are doing?

And the arab muslims say they are Syrians and Egyptians. The studies done show that in the 1800's the arab muslims were nomadic and travelled around the whole area. They were not static and could be working in Hebron today and Homs next week. So are they Palestinian or Iranian ? The tests come up with an 85% to 90% match which is the same for man and the great apes down to man and a banana, so how does this mean that Palestinians and Jews are closely related. Look at the studies presented by monte that claim the whole of the European Jewish community is descended from just 4 females. That would mean the inter-breeding would have created genetic mutations and a survival rate of today of less than 10%.

You want to look at demonization then look no further than team palestine's attacks on the Jews around their ancestry and history, with the claims of fictional groups being the Ashkenazi Jews of today.

Some were but many were settled farmers. The studies done refer to the Beduoin. The word "Arab" was used to classify a broad range of people.

To listen to you the only inhabitants of that region until 1960 were Jews and that's a blatant falsehood.

Then you are employing selective hearing and should be ashamed of yourself. The Jews lived and worked the land for 4,500 years, in the middle they were conquered by the Roman empire and the Christian sect of Judaism was invented. The Christians grew into a world religion with teaching of hate against the Jews because they did not want their roots in Judaism to be well known. Then in the 7C a camel herder with a mental defect invented islam and proceeded to take over the world, starting with the Jews when they refused to accept him as the Messiah. So who has the longevity in the area as it certainly isn't the Christian immigrants or the arab muslim immigrants. What you are saying is that you have more rights in America than the original inhabitants, while saying that the immigrants in Palestine also have more rights than the original inhabitants as well. The arab muslims ( clue is in their racial name ) and Christians don't have more rights to the land as they are mostly recent arrivals, in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's. This is shown by the UN having to create a new body because the arab muslims did not meet the criteria for refugee status having less than 2 years habitual residence in the area.

 

[Phoenall]

You need a great deal more practice with your Islamist taqiyya-speak.

Any notion of an Islamist Pal'istanian state will mirror every other Islamist majority hell hole. There will be no allowance for the hated Christian and Jew or even the "wrong kind" of moslem.

Abbas has already established the framework for his mini caliphate and predictably, Jews are not a part of it.



The Jerusalem Post

"In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli - civilian or soldier - on our lands," Abbas said in a briefing to mostly Egyptian journalists.



It's the Islamist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism that is the complication.

Well I suppose 67 years of having to live with a Zionist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism tends to alter one's world view. I did notice he said "Israeli" not "Jewish" so the Palestinian view hasn't changed that much.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

In other words you are caught between a rock and a hard place, and so claim that it is deflection rather than admit that you are wrong.

So how many Jews and Christians are serving members of the P.A. ?

 

[Phoenall]

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

What are you smoking, the Jews were removed so Israel could pursue an apartheid regime. It is gaza that has the apartheid regime not Israel and you have failed repeatedly to prove otherwise.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

 

[Hollie]

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Well I suppose 67 years of having to live with a Zionist agenda of apartheid and religious fascism tends to alter one's world view. I did notice he said "Israeli" not "Jewish" so the Palestinian view hasn't changed that much.

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

In other words you are caught between a rock and a hard place, and so claim that it is deflection rather than admit that you are wrong.

So how many Jews and Christians are serving members of the P.A. ?

You are still ducking my question.

Palestinian Christians have always been over represented in Palestinian government. They hold cabinet positions. They are mayors, governors, judges and are elected members of parliament.

Palestinians Jews have the same rights as the Christians and Muslims. Some do work for the government but I don't think any have opted to run for elected office.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

 

[Mindful]

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

That is off topic.

BTW, I believe that they have the same right to return as everyone else. However, even though I hear that a lot about it I don't recall any seeking return. The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.