Origins of Palestinians and Jews in Palestine/Israel

[Mindful]

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

That is off topic.

BTW, I believe that they have the same right to return as everyone else. However, even though I hear that a lot about it I don't recall any seeking return. The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

Nice dodge. Who are you kidding?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

That is off topic.

BTW, I believe that they have the same right to return as everyone else. However, even though I hear that a lot about it I don't recall any seeking return. The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

Nice dodge. Who are you kidding?

Nobody. I have always been for equal rights.

 

[Mindful]

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

That is off topic.

BTW, I believe that they have the same right to return as everyone else. However, even though I hear that a lot about it I don't recall any seeking return. The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

Nice dodge. Who are you kidding?

Nobody. I have always been for equal rights.

How nice. That you need to inform me of what you have always "been for".

 

[Phoenall]

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

Guess what the first entry on my search engine says



Who Controls the Palestinian Population Registry? | Gaza Gateway | Facts and Analysis about the Crossings


When the Palestinian Supreme Court in Ramallah issued a new ruling on 22.10.2010, commentators were quick to declare a breakthrough for the 35,000 Palestinian residents who live in the West Bank but whose registered addresses are in Gaza and who therefore live under the threat of deportation. The ruling ordered the Palestinian Interior Ministry to carry out all the necessary procedures to change these residents’ addresses from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.

According to the Maan news agency, the ruling “will allow thousands of Palestinians to move freely within the West Bank”. It seems, that Maan (along with one of the members of the Turkel Commission to Examine the Maritime Incident), believed that the Palestinian Authority, rather than Israel, controls the Palestinian population registry and is therefore authorized to change addresses and inform Israel thereof.


So proven wrong once again.......................

 

[Phoenall]

Slogans and cliches don't make a defendable argument.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

You need to review the definition of apartheid as you clearly don't understand the term or definition.

You do know that there are Arabs living in Israel and that Arabs are represented in the Israeli parliament?​

How many times has an Arab party been part of the ruling coalition?

So tell us, how many Jews live in Gaza and how many of those are represented in the Hamas (islamic terrorist) version of government.

Deflection.

In other words you are caught between a rock and a hard place, and so claim that it is deflection rather than admit that you are wrong.

So how many Jews and Christians are serving members of the P.A. ?

You are still ducking my question.

Palestinian Christians have always been over represented in Palestinian government. They hold cabinet positions. They are mayors, governors, judges and are elected members of parliament.

Palestinians Jews have the same rights as the Christians and Muslims. Some do work for the government but I don't think any have opted to run for elected office.

There are no Jews in Palestine other than the IDF and the Settlers. From 1948 to 1967 there were no Jews at all in gaza or the west bank as the arab muslims either murdered them or kicked them out. So how could they work for the government or represent their fellow Jews in the P.A.

 

[Phoenall]

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

Written by an anti semitic NGO that has been shown to be against Israel. Why do you post on the I/P board when all you can produce is links to proven Nazi or Jew hatred sites ?

See my post showing that the P.A controls the population registry

 

[P F Tinmore]

Deflection.

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

Guess what the first entry on my search engine says



Who Controls the Palestinian Population Registry? | Gaza Gateway | Facts and Analysis about the Crossings


When the Palestinian Supreme Court in Ramallah issued a new ruling on 22.10.2010, commentators were quick to declare a breakthrough for the 35,000 Palestinian residents who live in the West Bank but whose registered addresses are in Gaza and who therefore live under the threat of deportation. The ruling ordered the Palestinian Interior Ministry to carry out all the necessary procedures to change these residents’ addresses from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.

According to the Maan news agency, the ruling “will allow thousands of Palestinians to move freely within the West Bank”. It seems, that Maan (along with one of the members of the Turkel Commission to Examine the Maritime Incident), believed that the Palestinian Authority, rather than Israel, controls the Palestinian population registry and is therefore authorized to change addresses and inform Israel thereof.


So proven wrong once again.......................

From your link:

However, when the Israeli coordination officials informed the Palestinian Interior Ministry that they refused to change the addresses in the Israeli computer file, the Palestinian Interior Ministry returned its records to their previous status: from Nablus back to Jabaliya and from Ramallah back to Rafah. It appears that the PA can print any identity card it wants, but only the Israeli army can decide whether a resident is allowed to move within the West Bank and avoid deportation. The soldier at a checkpoint takes his orders from his commander and not the Palestinian court. When he decides whether to deport someone or not he relies on the Israeli registry and not the Palestinian.

The Palestinian Interior Ministry therefore decided it is better for residents to carry papers approved by the one who controls the borders – the State of Israel. And so control of the borders continues to mean control of the Palestinian population registry common to Gaza and the West Bank.

A little extra info.

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[Phoenall]

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

That is off topic.

BTW, I believe that they have the same right to return as everyone else. However, even though I hear that a lot about it I don't recall any seeking return. The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

Nice dodge. Who are you kidding?

Nobody. I have always been for equal rights.

So you have the same equal rights as a muslim to marry a child of 3 years old and consummate that marriage do you. Or the same right as a muslim cleric to fornicate with a boy of any age because it is just release of your urges. How about the same right as a muslim to fornicate with an animal and then sell that animal to your neighbours. Care to practise your equal rights with the Palestinians, Iranians and other muslims.

Your stupidity has caught you up as you demand that the P.A give their people the same rights as the Jews, while blaming the Jews for the lack of their equal rights. It is not Israel's place to give you or anyone else the same rights as Israeli citizens have, it is your government or the government of the nation in question. You have equal rights with the majority of people in your nation, and that is all.

 

[Kondor3]

...The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

True, they are separate issues.

False, they are not unrelated issues.

But you serve-up a marvelous idea...

Insisting upon reciprocity across the Arab world, before even considering such a concession...

The linkage doesn't presently exist... you're right... so, it's time to create such a linkage...

Even still... that's all academic... Palestinian Right of Return is as dead as Julius Caesar.. never, ever gonna happen now.

Especially when one considers that large numbers of so-called 'Palestinians' are merely 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation descendants of Jordanian and Bedouin Syrian and Lebanese and Sinai Egyptian migrant workers and wandering folk, with no more substantial claim to the land than their Jewish counterparts, who have kicked their arses...

There's no incentive for Israel to budge regarding Right of Return, and it would be national suicide for them to do so, and they hold all the cards, and all the military muscle...

You can piss and moan until you're blue in the face, while much of the rest of the world laughs at you, but, it's never gonna happen...

Never.

Was there anything else?

( Next slide, please )

 

[Phoenall]

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

Guess what the first entry on my search engine says



Who Controls the Palestinian Population Registry? | Gaza Gateway | Facts and Analysis about the Crossings


When the Palestinian Supreme Court in Ramallah issued a new ruling on 22.10.2010, commentators were quick to declare a breakthrough for the 35,000 Palestinian residents who live in the West Bank but whose registered addresses are in Gaza and who therefore live under the threat of deportation. The ruling ordered the Palestinian Interior Ministry to carry out all the necessary procedures to change these residents’ addresses from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.

According to the Maan news agency, the ruling “will allow thousands of Palestinians to move freely within the West Bank”. It seems, that Maan (along with one of the members of the Turkel Commission to Examine the Maritime Incident), believed that the Palestinian Authority, rather than Israel, controls the Palestinian population registry and is therefore authorized to change addresses and inform Israel thereof.


So proven wrong once again.......................

From your link:

However, when the Israeli coordination officials informed the Palestinian Interior Ministry that they refused to change the addresses in the Israeli computer file, the Palestinian Interior Ministry returned its records to their previous status: from Nablus back to Jabaliya and from Ramallah back to Rafah. It appears that the PA can print any identity card it wants, but only the Israeli army can decide whether a resident is allowed to move within the West Bank and avoid deportation. The soldier at a checkpoint takes his orders from his commander and not the Palestinian court. When he decides whether to deport someone or not he relies on the Israeli registry and not the Palestinian.

The Palestinian Interior Ministry therefore decided it is better for residents to carry papers approved by the one who controls the borders – the State of Israel. And so control of the borders continues to mean control of the Palestinian population registry common to Gaza and the West Bank.​

But still Israel has been proven to not control the population registry, but they do have a list of known terrorists that are not habitually resident in the west bank and will be deported as International law allows. So for someone who is a stickler for the law you don't like it when Israel is supported by the laws

 

[Phoenall]

...The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

True, they are separate issues.

False, they are not unrelated issues.

But you serve-up a marvelous idea...

Insisting upon reciprocity across the Arab world, before considering such a concession...

The linkage doesn't exist... you're right... so, it's time to create such a linkage...

Even still... that's all academic... Palestinian Right of Return is as dead as Julius Caesar.. never, ever gonna happen now.

Especially when one considers that large numbers of so-called 'Palestinians' are merely 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation descendants of Jordanian and Bedouin Syrian and Lebanese and Sinai Egyptian migrant workers and wandering folk...

There's no incentive for Israel to budge regarding Right of Return, and it would be national suicide for them to do so, and they hold all the cards, and all the military muscle...

Never gonna happen...

Never.

No such legal concept as "right of return" what there is in law is the ability to regain lost property and land through occupation and treaty. This is what Israel has done since 1967, and now they are being condemned for adhering to International law.

 

[Phoenall]

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

So, I take it you agree that the true apartheid states are the separate entities controlled by the Islamic terrorist franchises of the PA and Hamas.

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

The 90-page report, “Forget about Him, He’s Not Here,” describes the arbitrary exclusion by the Israeli military of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since 1967 and documents the impact that exclusion continues to have on individuals and families. The way Israel’s military has exercised its control over the Palestinian population registry – the list of Palestinians whom it considers to be lawful residents of the West Bank and Gaza territories – has separated families, caused people to lose jobs and educational opportunities, barred people from entering the Palestinian territories, and trapped others inside them, Human Rights Watch said. Egypt also has problematic policies on Palestinians trying to enter Gaza that are based on the Israeli-controlled population registry.

Israel: End Restrictions on Palestinian Residency​

For the sake of balance, you might be more even handed in describing expulsions, by mentioning the Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

This is the Israel and Palestine forum.

That is off topic.

BTW, I believe that they have the same right to return as everyone else. However, even though I hear that a lot about it I don't recall any seeking return. The Jewish right to return is a separate and unrelated issue to the Palestinian right to return.

No it isn't as the Jews being forcibly evicted by arab muslims because Israel beat the crap out of their armies is relevant to this forum.
The only right of return anyone has is the one they can enforce themselves, which is what Israel has done in the west bank through armed occupation and treaty

 

[Phoenall]

I'm afraid the deflection is yours. My comments specifically addressed the false label of "apartheid" as it was applied to the state of Israel and contrasted that with the true apartheid Islamic terrorist enclave in Gaza and similarly in the areas occupied by the so-called Pal'istanians.

Care to address the absence of Jews in Gaza or the areas occupied by Pal'istanians vs. the presence of Arabs in israel and the Israeli parliament?

It's a softball, take a swing.

Good question.

Israel controls the population registry in the territories. Israel controls who does and who does not live there.

Conspiracy theories aren't helpful.

Its true. Look it up.

Guess what the first entry on my search engine says



Who Controls the Palestinian Population Registry? | Gaza Gateway | Facts and Analysis about the Crossings


When the Palestinian Supreme Court in Ramallah issued a new ruling on 22.10.2010, commentators were quick to declare a breakthrough for the 35,000 Palestinian residents who live in the West Bank but whose registered addresses are in Gaza and who therefore live under the threat of deportation. The ruling ordered the Palestinian Interior Ministry to carry out all the necessary procedures to change these residents’ addresses from the Gaza Strip to the West Bank.

According to the Maan news agency, the ruling “will allow thousands of Palestinians to move freely within the West Bank”. It seems, that Maan (along with one of the members of the Turkel Commission to Examine the Maritime Incident), believed that the Palestinian Authority, rather than Israel, controls the Palestinian population registry and is therefore authorized to change addresses and inform Israel thereof.


So proven wrong once again.......................

From your link:

However, when the Israeli coordination officials informed the Palestinian Interior Ministry that they refused to change the addresses in the Israeli computer file, the Palestinian Interior Ministry returned its records to their previous status: from Nablus back to Jabaliya and from Ramallah back to Rafah. It appears that the PA can print any identity card it wants, but only the Israeli army can decide whether a resident is allowed to move within the West Bank and avoid deportation. The soldier at a checkpoint takes his orders from his commander and not the Palestinian court. When he decides whether to deport someone or not he relies on the Israeli registry and not the Palestinian.

The Palestinian Interior Ministry therefore decided it is better for residents to carry papers approved by the one who controls the borders – the State of Israel. And so control of the borders continues to mean control of the Palestinian population registry common to Gaza and the West Bank.

A little extra info.

​

No information at all as it is just your usual propaganda and lies from an islamic source

 

[Challenger]

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

Trick question, right?

 

[Phoenall]

Why do you people post on the I/P board when you know so little?

Trick question, right?

It certainly tricked you didn't it ?

 

[Coyote]

Rocco, I think we are arguing two completely different things.

Are or are not the Palestinians of today descendents of a mix of indiginous peoples who converted to Christianity and Islam when those religions dominated the territory, and new migrants from surrounding areas? That is what people are trying to deny - the claim that the only real Palestinians were Jews is false.

Are not the Jews in today's Israel a combination of the descendents of a mix of indiginous peoples who retained their faith and immigrants from around the world who maintained their faith in the diaspora but also had to marry outside of their ethnic group in order to survive the diaspora as a people?

And Rocco - what is the purpose in claiming that Muslim Palestinians are not indiginous? Is it the same purpose as claiming that Jews are not indiginous? An effort to disenfranchise the legitimate rights of a native people?

NO they are recent arrivals from wholly Islamic nations in the vicinity of Palestine. This is shown when the UN had to alter existing rules for refugee status so that the arab muslim illegal immigrants could be covered. Even then they had to create a new UN body to provide for their welfare because the majority of "Palestinians" had less than two years residency in Palestine.

Some of them are, just like some of the Jews are immigrants from Europe.

The geneticists find that the majority of Jews have a common ancestor that the Palestinians don't, they have even narrowed them down to individual tribes the DNA is that positive and foolproof.
The purpose is to show the extent that anti Jews and Nazis will go to when it comes to demonising the Jews and denying them their rights under international laws. The muslims are not a native people, they themselves claim to be Syrian and Egyptian before being Palestinian.

Yet those same genetics show close ties between Jews and "Palestinians".
Blood brothers: Palestinians and Jews share genetic roots

The Muslims are descendents of indiginous people who converted to Islam and migrants from surrounding areas.

The only purpose here is to show the extent people like you will go to to demonize people who have lived in the area for centuries. I'm not demonizing anyone. I freely agree that the indiginous population comprises Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The only reason to say otherwise in the face of history is to try to disenfranchise one or the other - is that what you are doing?

And the arab muslims say they are Syrians and Egyptians. The studies done show that in the 1800's the arab muslims were nomadic and travelled around the whole area. They were not static and could be working in Hebron today and Homs next week. So are they Palestinian or Iranian ? The tests come up with an 85% to 90% match which is the same for man and the great apes down to man and a banana, so how does this mean that Palestinians and Jews are closely related. Look at the studies presented by monte that claim the whole of the European Jewish community is descended from just 4 females. That would mean the inter-breeding would have created genetic mutations and a survival rate of today of less than 10%.

You want to look at demonization then look no further than team palestine's attacks on the Jews around their ancestry and history, with the claims of fictional groups being the Ashkenazi Jews of today.

Some were but many were settled farmers. The studies done refer to the Beduoin. The word "Arab" was used to classify a broad range of people.

To listen to you the only inhabitants of that region until 1960 were Jews and that's a blatant falsehood.

Then you are employing selective hearing and should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm going by exactly what you said - are you backing away from that claim now?

The Jews lived and worked the land for 4,500 years, in the middle they were conquered by the Roman empire and the Christian sect of Judaism was invented. The Christians grew into a world religion with teaching of hate against the Jews because they did not want their roots in Judaism to be well known. Then in the 7C a camel herder with a mental defect invented islam and proceeded to take over the world, starting with the Jews when they refused to accept him as the Messiah.

Ok...let's review this.

Multiple ancient people's lived in the area referred to as "Palestine"....

Canaan
The earliest references refer to "Canaan". At that time, the indigenous people of Canaan worshiped many gods but, chief among them, the goddess Astarte and her consort Baal. Women had some pretty decent rights... "Women could and did serve as Priestesses, could own land, enter into contracts and initiate divorce". That's just a sidenote, but surprising.

Then, a bunch of unruly slaves led by a madman who got his orders from talking burning bushes invaded Canaan, "subdued" the native population and conquered it's cities and in installed their newly invented monotheistic religion.

Palestine

Then, the Phillistines invaded (a term that still means course, vulgar and barbarian) and were partially subdued by the Israelites.
Then the Assyrians invaded, subdued the Phillistines completely, sacked and raped their way to glory and sold the inhabitants into slavery.
Eventually - Alexander the Great "liberated" Palestine and claimed it.
Then the Roman's claimed it.

Then along comes a zombie messiah - Christianity was invented and sweeps through the the region.

Then along comes a camel herder in the Arabian Peninsula who hears voices in a cave, invents Islam which then sweeps through the region. Muslims captured Jeruselum in 638 AD, not - as you say "in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's." Your claim isn't even remotely close.

In all these successive invasions, conquering and migrations - religions moved along with people and the indiginous inhabitants often converted to the new religions.

So who has the longevity in the area as it certainly isn't the Christian immigrants or the arab muslim immigrants. What you are saying is that you have more rights in America than the original inhabitants, while saying that the immigrants in Palestine also have more rights than the original inhabitants as well. The arab muslims ( clue is in their racial name ) and Christians don't have more rights to the land as they are mostly recent arrivals, in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's. This is shown by the UN having to create a new body because the arab muslims did not meet the criteria for refugee status having less than 2 years habitual residence in the area.

Stop right there. That is NOT what I'm saying. It is YOU saying that one group has "more rights" than another. They don't. None of them do. They are closely bound together and have been so thousands of years weathering a succession of conquering peoples...starting with the Israelites. The whole argument of rights determined by ancient history is idiotic and depends on a completely arbritary system of determining what is considered "long enough" to be "legitimate".

 

[Shusha]

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

Oh for the love of all that is holy. Its like saying Canada forceably removed all the French people after the War of 1812 in pursuit of their apartheid agenda and then built barriers to create the open air prison that is the USA.

No it isn't.

Yes it is but you refuse to see it as it would burst your Jew hatred bubble

Comments such as the one made by Challenger here highlight three common characteristics of arguments made from the Palestinian narrative:

1. The complete lack of assignation of responsibility to both the people and the governments of Gaza and "Palestine".
2. The unilateral justification of and support for terrorist violence against innocent civilians.
3. The demonization of Israel (and often Jews) as always having evil intent even when Israel is acting in accordance with the expressed wishes of the government and people of Gaza and "Palestine" under international pressure.

 

[Coyote]

Simple enough. All Jewish inhabitants in the Gaza Strip were forceably removed by the Zionist Israeli regime in pursuit of their aparheid agenda; said regime then built barriers and fences preventing any possibility of their return and simultaneously imprisoning the Muslim and Christian populations within the strip.

Oh for the love of all that is holy. Its like saying Canada forceably removed all the French people after the War of 1812 in pursuit of their apartheid agenda and then built barriers to create the open air prison that is the USA.

No it isn't.

Yes it is but you refuse to see it as it would burst your Jew hatred bubble

Comments such as the one made by Challenger here highlight three common characteristics of arguments made from the Palestinian narrative:

1. The complete lack of assignation of responsibility to both the people and the governments of Gaza and "Palestine".
2. The unilateral justification of and support for terrorist violence against innocent civilians.
3. The demonization of Israel (and often Jews) as always having evil intent even when Israel is acting in accordance with the expressed wishes of the government and people of Gaza and "Palestine" under international pressure.

I find similar characteristics from the Israeli narrative:
1. The complete lack of assignation of responsibility to both the people and the governments of Israel in this conflict.
2. The uncritical justification for inequities in the Israeli criminal and justice system in regards to Palestinians and Jews.
3. The systemic dehuminization and demonization of Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

NO they are recent arrivals from wholly Islamic nations in the vicinity of Palestine. This is shown when the UN had to alter existing rules for refugee status so that the arab muslim illegal immigrants could be covered. Even then they had to create a new UN body to provide for their welfare because the majority of "Palestinians" had less than two years residency in Palestine.

Some of them are, just like some of the Jews are immigrants from Europe.

The geneticists find that the majority of Jews have a common ancestor that the Palestinians don't, they have even narrowed them down to individual tribes the DNA is that positive and foolproof.
The purpose is to show the extent that anti Jews and Nazis will go to when it comes to demonising the Jews and denying them their rights under international laws. The muslims are not a native people, they themselves claim to be Syrian and Egyptian before being Palestinian.

Yet those same genetics show close ties between Jews and "Palestinians".
Blood brothers: Palestinians and Jews share genetic roots

The Muslims are descendents of indiginous people who converted to Islam and migrants from surrounding areas.

The only purpose here is to show the extent people like you will go to to demonize people who have lived in the area for centuries. I'm not demonizing anyone. I freely agree that the indiginous population comprises Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The only reason to say otherwise in the face of history is to try to disenfranchise one or the other - is that what you are doing?

And the arab muslims say they are Syrians and Egyptians. The studies done show that in the 1800's the arab muslims were nomadic and travelled around the whole area. They were not static and could be working in Hebron today and Homs next week. So are they Palestinian or Iranian ? The tests come up with an 85% to 90% match which is the same for man and the great apes down to man and a banana, so how does this mean that Palestinians and Jews are closely related. Look at the studies presented by monte that claim the whole of the European Jewish community is descended from just 4 females. That would mean the inter-breeding would have created genetic mutations and a survival rate of today of less than 10%.

You want to look at demonization then look no further than team palestine's attacks on the Jews around their ancestry and history, with the claims of fictional groups being the Ashkenazi Jews of today.

Some were but many were settled farmers. The studies done refer to the Beduoin. The word "Arab" was used to classify a broad range of people.

To listen to you the only inhabitants of that region until 1960 were Jews and that's a blatant falsehood.

Then you are employing selective hearing and should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm going by exactly what you said - are you backing away from that claim now?

The Jews lived and worked the land for 4,500 years, in the middle they were conquered by the Roman empire and the Christian sect of Judaism was invented. The Christians grew into a world religion with teaching of hate against the Jews because they did not want their roots in Judaism to be well known. Then in the 7C a camel herder with a mental defect invented islam and proceeded to take over the world, starting with the Jews when they refused to accept him as the Messiah.

Ok...let's review this.

Multiple ancient people's lived in the area referred to as "Palestine"....

Canaan
The earliest references refer to "Canaan". At that time, the indigenous people of Canaan worshiped many gods but, chief among them, the goddess Astarte and her consort Baal. Women had some pretty decent rights... "Women could and did serve as Priestesses, could own land, enter into contracts and initiate divorce". That's just a sidenote, but surprising.

Then, a bunch of unruly slaves led by a madman who got his orders from talking burning bushes invaded Canaan, "subdued" the native population and conquered it's cities and in installed their newly invented monotheistic religion.

Palestine

Then, the Phillistines invaded (a term that still means course, vulgar and barbarian) and were partially subdued by the Israelites.
Then the Assyrians invaded, subdued the Phillistines completely, sacked and raped their way to glory and sold the inhabitants into slavery.
Eventually - Alexander the Great "liberated" Palestine and claimed it.
Then the Roman's claimed it.

Then along comes a zombie messiah - Christianity was invented and sweeps through the the region.

Then along comes a camel herder in the Arabian Peninsula who hears voices in a cave, invents Islam which then sweeps through the region. Muslims captured Jeruselum in 638 AD, not - as you say "in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's." Your claim isn't even remotely close.

In all these successive invasions, conquering and migrations - religions moved along with people and the indiginous inhabitants often converted to the new religions.

So who has the longevity in the area as it certainly isn't the Christian immigrants or the arab muslim immigrants. What you are saying is that you have more rights in America than the original inhabitants, while saying that the immigrants in Palestine also have more rights than the original inhabitants as well. The arab muslims ( clue is in their racial name ) and Christians don't have more rights to the land as they are mostly recent arrivals, in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's. This is shown by the UN having to create a new body because the arab muslims did not meet the criteria for refugee status having less than 2 years habitual residence in the area.

Stop right there. That is NOT what I'm saying. It is YOU saying that one group has "more rights" than another. They don't. None of them do. They are closely bound together and have been so thousands of years weathering a succession of conquering peoples...starting with the Israelites. The whole argument of rights determined by ancient history is idiotic and depends on a completely arbritary system of determining what is considered "long enough" to be "legitimate".

No you are saying that because you are anti Jew they have no rights to the land.

OK then how about we look at international law and rights to the land. In 1923 the Jews were granted sovereignty over 22% of Palestine, the remainder was granted to the arab muslims with a Saudi prince as their ruler. There has been no international law or treaty since giving any of the Jewish portion to the arab muslims. So by what legal right are you and them claiming sovereignty over Jewish land ?

 

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NO they are recent arrivals from wholly Islamic nations in the vicinity of Palestine. This is shown when the UN had to alter existing rules for refugee status so that the arab muslim illegal immigrants could be covered. Even then they had to create a new UN body to provide for their welfare because the majority of "Palestinians" had less than two years residency in Palestine.

Some of them are, just like some of the Jews are immigrants from Europe.

The geneticists find that the majority of Jews have a common ancestor that the Palestinians don't, they have even narrowed them down to individual tribes the DNA is that positive and foolproof.
The purpose is to show the extent that anti Jews and Nazis will go to when it comes to demonising the Jews and denying them their rights under international laws. The muslims are not a native people, they themselves claim to be Syrian and Egyptian before being Palestinian.

Yet those same genetics show close ties between Jews and "Palestinians".
Blood brothers: Palestinians and Jews share genetic roots

The Muslims are descendents of indiginous people who converted to Islam and migrants from surrounding areas.

The only purpose here is to show the extent people like you will go to to demonize people who have lived in the area for centuries. I'm not demonizing anyone. I freely agree that the indiginous population comprises Jews, Christians and Muslims.

The only reason to say otherwise in the face of history is to try to disenfranchise one or the other - is that what you are doing?

And the arab muslims say they are Syrians and Egyptians. The studies done show that in the 1800's the arab muslims were nomadic and travelled around the whole area. They were not static and could be working in Hebron today and Homs next week. So are they Palestinian or Iranian ? The tests come up with an 85% to 90% match which is the same for man and the great apes down to man and a banana, so how does this mean that Palestinians and Jews are closely related. Look at the studies presented by monte that claim the whole of the European Jewish community is descended from just 4 females. That would mean the inter-breeding would have created genetic mutations and a survival rate of today of less than 10%.

You want to look at demonization then look no further than team palestine's attacks on the Jews around their ancestry and history, with the claims of fictional groups being the Ashkenazi Jews of today.

Some were but many were settled farmers. The studies done refer to the Beduoin. The word "Arab" was used to classify a broad range of people.

To listen to you the only inhabitants of that region until 1960 were Jews and that's a blatant falsehood.

Then you are employing selective hearing and should be ashamed of yourself.

I'm going by exactly what you said - are you backing away from that claim now?

The Jews lived and worked the land for 4,500 years, in the middle they were conquered by the Roman empire and the Christian sect of Judaism was invented. The Christians grew into a world religion with teaching of hate against the Jews because they did not want their roots in Judaism to be well known. Then in the 7C a camel herder with a mental defect invented islam and proceeded to take over the world, starting with the Jews when they refused to accept him as the Messiah.

Ok...let's review this.

Multiple ancient people's lived in the area referred to as "Palestine"....

Canaan
The earliest references refer to "Canaan". At that time, the indigenous people of Canaan worshiped many gods but, chief among them, the goddess Astarte and her consort Baal. Women had some pretty decent rights... "Women could and did serve as Priestesses, could own land, enter into contracts and initiate divorce". That's just a sidenote, but surprising.

Then, a bunch of unruly slaves led by a madman who got his orders from talking burning bushes invaded Canaan, "subdued" the native population and conquered it's cities and in installed their newly invented monotheistic religion.

Palestine

Then, the Phillistines invaded (a term that still means course, vulgar and barbarian) and were partially subdued by the Israelites.
Then the Assyrians invaded, subdued the Phillistines completely, sacked and raped their way to glory and sold the inhabitants into slavery.
Eventually - Alexander the Great "liberated" Palestine and claimed it.
Then the Roman's claimed it.

Then along comes a zombie messiah - Christianity was invented and sweeps through the the region.

Then along comes a camel herder in the Arabian Peninsula who hears voices in a cave, invents Islam which then sweeps through the region. Muslims captured Jeruselum in 638 AD, not - as you say "in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's." Your claim isn't even remotely close.

In all these successive invasions, conquering and migrations - religions moved along with people and the indiginous inhabitants often converted to the new religions.

So who has the longevity in the area as it certainly isn't the Christian immigrants or the arab muslim immigrants. What you are saying is that you have more rights in America than the original inhabitants, while saying that the immigrants in Palestine also have more rights than the original inhabitants as well. The arab muslims ( clue is in their racial name ) and Christians don't have more rights to the land as they are mostly recent arrivals, in fact the arab muslims arrived between the late 1890's and the mid 1960's. This is shown by the UN having to create a new body because the arab muslims did not meet the criteria for refugee status having less than 2 years habitual residence in the area.

Stop right there. That is NOT what I'm saying. It is YOU saying that one group has "more rights" than another. They don't. None of them do. They are closely bound together and have been so thousands of years weathering a succession of conquering peoples...starting with the Israelites. The whole argument of rights determined by ancient history is idiotic and depends on a completely arbritary system of determining what is considered "long enough" to be "legitimate".

And through all of that there was a core group of people (Muslims, Christians, and Jews) who stayed and put down roots. Those are your Palestinians.