Original Sin

[Ancient lion]

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
This is a short introduction to the "original sin" concept in christian theology.


What is original sin?

Although Christianity emphasizes the inherited original/Adam's sin, this principle cannot be traced back to any prophet. No prophet preached it. All prophets emphasized the individual's responsibility for his own words and deeds, as God’s message is the same in its basics with all the prophets.

The doctrine of Original Sin basically boils down to this:

• Everyone has "inherited" this sinful nature from Adam.
• This sinful nature is going to make humans sin, or is a causative something back of the will.
• God is going to condemn everyone to Hell for having this sinful nature.

Atonement and reconciliation

The word atonement is used in Christian theology to describe what is achieved by the alleged death of Jesus. The word was first used in 1526 to translate the Latin word reconciliatio.

In the Revised Standard Version the word reconciliation replaces the word atonement. Atonement (at-one-ment) is the reconciliation of men and women to God through the death of Jesus.

But why was reconciliation needed?

Christian theology suggests that Everybody carries this original sin of Adam with them which separates them from God, just as Adam and Eve were separated from God when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

The Atonement is that Jesus paid the penalty for the original and other sins of men by his death on the cross of Calvary, and that salvation cannot be obtained without belief in the saving power of his blood.


"There is no single doctrine of the atonement in the New Testament. In fact, perhaps more surprisingly, there is no official Church definition either."

(http://www.bbc.co.uk...esusdie_1.shtml)

Jesus taught that salvation lies in good deeds and faith, but the church states that salvation and success was achieved through crucifixion. The teachings of he who they believe to be the son of God, are not in line with what present day churches preach, the illogicality and inconsistency of their faith is obvious.

Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. The root of Christianity is the original sin upon which the crucifixion is justified and used for the benefit of Christians. Like trinity, Jesus never said I would be crucified for Adam's sin nor did he said that children are born sinful. None of these are found in the entire Bible.

The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.

Getting rid of original sin

The way a person can 'cleanse' their soul from sin is

• to accept that Christ's death on the cross atoned for this sin
• to be baptised.

Many Christians who profess to believe in the doctrine of original sin do not know what it teaches. Even more Christians are ignorant of its history and origin.

 

[tyroneweaver]

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
This is a short introduction to the "original sin" concept in christian theology.


What is original sin?

Although Christianity emphasizes the inherited original/Adam's sin, this principle cannot be traced back to any prophet. No prophet preached it. All prophets emphasized the individual's responsibility for his own words and deeds, as God’s message is the same in its basics with all the prophets.

The doctrine of Original Sin basically boils down to this:

• Everyone has "inherited" this sinful nature from Adam.
• This sinful nature is going to make humans sin, or is a causative something back of the will.
• God is going to condemn everyone to Hell for having this sinful nature.

Atonement and reconciliation

The word atonement is used in Christian theology to describe what is achieved by the alleged death of Jesus. The word was first used in 1526 to translate the Latin word reconciliatio.

In the Revised Standard Version the word reconciliation replaces the word atonement. Atonement (at-one-ment) is the reconciliation of men and women to God through the death of Jesus.

But why was reconciliation needed?

Christian theology suggests that Everybody carries this original sin of Adam with them which separates them from God, just as Adam and Eve were separated from God when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

The Atonement is that Jesus paid the penalty for the original and other sins of men by his death on the cross of Calvary, and that salvation cannot be obtained without belief in the saving power of his blood.


"There is no single doctrine of the atonement in the New Testament. In fact, perhaps more surprisingly, there is no official Church definition either."

(http://www.bbc.co.uk...esusdie_1.shtml)

Jesus taught that salvation lies in good deeds and faith, but the church states that salvation and success was achieved through crucifixion. The teachings of he who they believe to be the son of God, are not in line with what present day churches preach, the illogicality and inconsistency of their faith is obvious.

Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. The root of Christianity is the original sin upon which the crucifixion is justified and used for the benefit of Christians. Like trinity, Jesus never said I would be crucified for Adam's sin nor did he said that children are born sinful. None of these are found in the entire Bible.

The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.

Getting rid of original sin

The way a person can 'cleanse' their soul from sin is

• to accept that Christ's death on the cross atoned for this sin
• to be baptised.

Many Christians who profess to believe in the doctrine of original sin do not know what it teaches. Even more Christians are ignorant of its history and origin.

Your point is well taken. The Catholic view goes a step further by saying Mary was a perpetual virgin, and that Christ's brethren were really not his brothers despite the context. They even ignore Ps 69:8
Your statement has further support when Jesus would tell people to go, "and sin no more." So apparently it's possible.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons)
Does not believe in this so called sin gene. Although Adam did introduce death and sin into the world. Begetting children is not a sin
Latter-day Saints believe that infants inherit certain effects of the Fall, but not the responsibility for any sin as a result of Adam's or Eve's transgression. From the foundation of the world, the Atonement of Jesus Christ makes amends "for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam" (Mosiah 3:11). Therefore, baptism is not needed until children reach a state of accountability, generally at the age of eight years, for little children cannot sin and are innocent (see Children: Salvation of Children). They are redeemed from the beginning by the grace of Jesus Christ (D&C 29:46-47), whose Atonement cleanses them of the effects of the Fall (D&C 137:10). The Prophet Mormon wrote the following words of Christ: "Little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them" (Moro. 8:8).

In one account in the Pearl of Great Price, Adam learned that he had been forgiven for his transgression in the Garden of Eden, and that "the Son of God hath atoned for original guilt, wherein the sins of the parents cannot be answered upon the heads of the children" (Moses 6:54). However, as a consequence of the Fall, evil is present in the world and all "children are conceived in sin, [and] so when they begin to grow up, sin conceiveth in their hearts, and they taste the bitter, that they may know to prize the good" (Moses 6:55). Begetting children in marriage is not a sin (cf. Heb. 13:4), but the propensity for sin is inherited.

No mortal person bears the burden of repenting for Adam's transgression. Nevertheless, all inherit the effects of the Fall: All leave the presence of God at birth, all are subject to physical death, and all will sin in some measure. From the moment of conception, the body inherits the seed of mortality that will eventually result in death, but only as a person becomes accountable and chooses evil over good do personal sins result in further separation from God. Thus Adam was counseled: "Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there" (Moses 5:57).

The point I'm making is, that all churches do not believe as you have explained.
You can also see we have books outside the Bible that we believe in.

 

[james bond]

Original sin is attributed to Adam and Eve for humans, but in my opinion it's based on free will. Adam and Eve were perfect humans and they and their future children, i.e. us, had the Garden of Eden for all eternity. I do not think we were destined for heaven. The evidence for this is we continue to recognize perfection, have an appreciation for beauty and complexity and somehow have an innate sense of right and wrong. With free will, we can choose to between good or evil at any moment.

God created heaven, the angels and free will first according to the Bible. Because of free will Lucifer, one of the most powerful angels, wanted to be considered a god. His argument was that he had just as much power as God. However, he did not, so he and his followers were banished from heaven into hell.

"Hell is a place of suffering originally prepared by God for the devil and his angels (Matthew 18:9; 25:41). The words Hades (Greek) and Sheol (Hebrew) are sometimes associated with hell. However, Hades/Sheol is simply the place or realm where the spirits of people go when they die (see Genesis 37:35). Hades/Sheol is not necessarily a place of torment because God’s people were said to go there as well as the wicked. In the New Testament, we find that Hades is somehow “compartmentalized.” That is, the realm of the dead is divided into a place of comfort and a place of torment (Luke 16:19–31).

There are other words associated with hell in the Bible such as Gehenna and lake of fire. It is clear that there is an actual place where the spirits of the unsaved go for eternity (Revelation 9:1; 20:15; Matthew 23:33).

Everything that ever was or is or will be is created by God, including hell (Colossians 1:16). John 1:3 says, “All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.” God alone has the power to cast someone into hell (Luke 12:5). Jesus holds the keys of death and Hades (Revelation 1:18).

Jesus said that hell was “prepared” for Satan and the demons (Matthew 25:41). It is a just punishment for the wicked one. Hell, or the lake of fire, will also be the destination for those who reject Christ (2 Peter 2:4–9). The good news is that people can avoid hell. God, in His infinite mercy and love, has made a way of salvation for everyone who trusts in God’s Son, Jesus Christ (John 3:16, 36; 5:24)."

Today, we do not have the Garden of Eden or the Tree of Knowledge anymore. We have free will and believing in God or atheism and their beliefs.

 

[aris2chat]

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
This is a short introduction to the "original sin" concept in christian theology.


What is original sin?

Although Christianity emphasizes the inherited original/Adam's sin, this principle cannot be traced back to any prophet. No prophet preached it. All prophets emphasized the individual's responsibility for his own words and deeds, as God’s message is the same in its basics with all the prophets.

The doctrine of Original Sin basically boils down to this:

• Everyone has "inherited" this sinful nature from Adam.
• This sinful nature is going to make humans sin, or is a causative something back of the will.
• God is going to condemn everyone to Hell for having this sinful nature.

Atonement and reconciliation

The word atonement is used in Christian theology to describe what is achieved by the alleged death of Jesus. The word was first used in 1526 to translate the Latin word reconciliatio.

In the Revised Standard Version the word reconciliation replaces the word atonement. Atonement (at-one-ment) is the reconciliation of men and women to God through the death of Jesus.

But why was reconciliation needed?

Christian theology suggests that Everybody carries this original sin of Adam with them which separates them from God, just as Adam and Eve were separated from God when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

The Atonement is that Jesus paid the penalty for the original and other sins of men by his death on the cross of Calvary, and that salvation cannot be obtained without belief in the saving power of his blood.


"There is no single doctrine of the atonement in the New Testament. In fact, perhaps more surprisingly, there is no official Church definition either."

(http://www.bbc.co.uk...esusdie_1.shtml)

Jesus taught that salvation lies in good deeds and faith, but the church states that salvation and success was achieved through crucifixion. The teachings of he who they believe to be the son of God, are not in line with what present day churches preach, the illogicality and inconsistency of their faith is obvious.

Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. The root of Christianity is the original sin upon which the crucifixion is justified and used for the benefit of Christians. Like trinity, Jesus never said I would be crucified for Adam's sin nor did he said that children are born sinful. None of these are found in the entire Bible.

The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.

Getting rid of original sin

The way a person can 'cleanse' their soul from sin is

• to accept that Christ's death on the cross atoned for this sin
• to be baptised.

Many Christians who profess to believe in the doctrine of original sin do not know what it teaches. Even more Christians are ignorant of its history and origin.

It is a concept of "western" christianity and not part of eastern christianity, Judaism or Islam

It is fear mongering

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“The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”

Deuteronomy 24:16 repeats the point. The objection may be raised that this is Old Testament, but it’s not older than Adam! If original sin dated from Adam and Eve, one wouldn’t find it disavowed in any scripture of any age!

Islam teaches that each person is born in a state of spiritual purity, but upbringing and the allure of worldly pleasures may corrupt us. Nonetheless, sins are not inherited and, for that matter, not even Adam and Eve will be punished for their sins, for God has forgiven them. And how can humankind inherit something that no longer exists? No, Islamicly speaking, all of us will be judged according to our deeds, for

“…man can have nothing but what he strives for” (Quran 53:38–39)

…and

“Who receives guidance, receives it for his own benefit: who goes astray does so to his own loss: no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another ...” (Quran 17:15)<<Laurence B. Brown, MD

 

[Treeshepherd]

Original sin is a loaded term that comes with a lot of baggage.

The 'human condition' is a more generic term. Obviously, from just watching the news, the human race is far from perfect. We all have internal conflicts and flawed behavior.

If you take a meta view of the Bible, you see a description of humanity undergoing a process which will someday lead to peace on Earth. It's a hopeful description and I think an apt one as well.

 

[Ancient lion]

Other than the reason that original sin is not mentioned in the Bible and is an innovation, there are practical reasons why it should be banned.

It blames God which is blasphemy

As per the concept, the main one responsible for the whole of original sin is God. This is a blasphemy towards God. It attempts to degrade God by attributing Him a status of being cruel or being helpless, as He has no power to remove it. Christians believe that sacrifice and blood is required to remove this curse. This belief states that God cannot take away what He had done wrong. No wonder Christians are leaving their religion. This belief also explains the growth of Satanism as they consider Satan to be a competitor to God both having limited powers.

It degrades Prophet Adam

Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) is a man loved and respected by Muslims. He is the first man on earth and the father of all human beings. Attributing to him our sins is disrespect for our father. This concept makes him the worst man on earth and Jesus to be his complete opposite. This is also blasphemy as it insults the father of mankind and indirectly is disrespect of God.

It degrades women

Original sin gives all the blame of the incident of the apple to the mother of mankind. It degrades not only her but also all women as it blames womankind for such desires.
Original sin also degrades women in other ways such as calling motherhood a curse. In Islam, motherhood is a blessing from Allah but as per the original sin, it is a curse upon women.

 

[Ancient lion]

It takes away the blame from the culprit and makes him a victim

A rapist, killer, holocaust believer and performer etc are all taken as innocent people who have inherited the tendency to sin. Instead of hating them, they are loved. Another blasphemy towards God and the laws of God. The law of God says that such people should be killed. In the USA, the punishment for rape is 7 years in prison which is gross injustice to the rape victim. When Islam declares death to the rapist, the anti-God ones find it very cruel and barbaric.

It encourages other man-made concepts – One lie leads to the other

Since this concept is not to be found in the Bible, it’s followers make up lies to keep it alive and to stay away from exposing themselves. The concept is an innovation of Paul spread around by Churches. This false concept has led to other false concepts such as describing the mission of Jesus. Jesus himself says that he has come for Israel only but Paul says that his mission is to take away the sins of mankind caused by Adam. No such thing has been described in the Old Testament but one lie leads to another. This makes the Bible to be a book full of lies.

It encourages immorality

When a Christian reads that Prophets have raped, performed incest and what not, they feel that such a thing is morally not too bad. Further, these self-made acts of Prophets are defended by Christian priests and preachers who have to make up lies to defend their religion. The sin is hated and the sinner loved. Holocaust is hated but Hitler loved?

It promotes a culture of blasphemy and complacency

In the western world, we see pictures, idols, statues, movies and cartoons of religious personalities shown in a negative manner. In many pictures and movies, Adam and Eve are degraded by being shown naked, Jesus is degraded and this makes them consider their blasphemies to be freedom and art and culture. The westerners expect others to adhere to their blasphemies and when they make silly portraits of the last Prophet, they expect others to accept it as freedom.

Man-made concepts of forgiveness of sins have been invented. They make the person complacent as they can sin everyday of their life and come to Church once a week and get themselves all clean, the meter goes back to zero. Many priests have been caught taking money for such things. A totally pathetic culture is encouraged by original sin.

 

[Ancient lion]

Biblical view​

The Bible teaches that children cannot be sinners and guilty and condemned at birth, for they do not yet know the difference between good and evil, and have not yet come to the "age of accountability":

"Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it." Deuteronomy 1:39

"It is the soul that sins, and no other, that shall die; a son shall not share a father's guilt, nor a father his son's. The righteous man shall reap the fruit of his own righteousness, and the wicked man the fruit of his own wickedness." (Ezekiel, chapter 18, verse 20.)



It is a physical impossibility to be born a sinner because of the nature of sin. Sin is not a substance. It has no physical properties and cannot possibly be passed on physically from one person to another.


It is probably shocking for the Christian who has been taught this doctrine as Bible truth to be told that not one word of it can be found in the Bible. Christians believe this doctrine to be Bible doctrine because theologians, preachers, and Sunday school teachers teach them as if they were Bible doctrines quoted directly from the Bible, and give them a semblance of credence with Bible texts quoted out of context (as shown here & here ). To take any of them as evidence, you are committing a logical fallacy !

Where can you find written in the Bible that "The whole human race existed in Adam at the time of his transgression"? Or that "Adam's will was the will of the species"? Or that "In Adam's free act the will of the race revolted against God and the nature of the race corrupted itself"? Or that "All men existed as one moral person in Adam, so that in Adam's sin we sinned, we corrupted ourselves, and brought guilt and merited condemnation upon ourselves"? Or where can it be found written in the Bible that "Adam was the federal head and moral representative of the race, and God made a covenant with Adam, agreeing to bestow upon all his descendants eternal life for his obedience and making the penalty for his disobedience to be the condemnation of all his descendants"? Or where in the Bible can it be found written that "All men are guilty and condemnable for the depraved nature with which they are born"? Nowhere! These theories are not in the Bible. You can search the Bible through from cover to cover and you will never find a word of these theories on its pages.

 

[Ancient lion]

Islamic view​

In contrast to the Christian teaching that human nature is basically evil [owing to the Original Sin], Islam teaches that it is essentially good. There are many elements to Human nature and each one has the potential to bring benefits. So there is no "Original Sin" in Islam. It is that when Man contradicts God’s commandments or His will, he commits sins.

Adam committed such a sin, which led to his expulsion from the Garden of Eden. But Adam repented and prayed to God for forgiveness, which God granted him, as mentioned in the following in Surah 2, verse 37:

Sahih International


Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.



This means that unlike Christianity, which teaches that all the children of Adam are sinful for Adam’s sin, Islam teaches that all humans are innocent by birth and they become sinful only when they consciously commit a sin. Islam regards the concept of “original sin” and the need for atonement by God Himself - via dying on the Cross - as a pure invention of those who came after Jesus Christ, declaring themselves as Christians.

Another important point to bear in mind about the Islamic concept of sin is that one man’s sin cannot be transferred to another; nor can the reward due to a person be transferred either. The volitional implication of Fitrah is that man is responsible for his own wrong actions. Islam teaches that the justice of God is all-pervading and that there is no question of His punishing one person (like Jesus) for the sin of another (Adam) . Every individual is responsible only for his or her actions, for God is never unjust. This is made clear in the following in Surah 17, verse 15:

Sahih International


Whoever is guided is only guided for [the benefit of] his soul. And whoever errs only errs against it. And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. And never would We punish until We sent a messenger.


Every individual is an independent person who is responsible for his or her actions alone. There is no need for salvation from sin, for there is no original burden. One's success in the Hereafter lies in his living a righteous life in this world. Each has to build his/her own Heaven, avoiding the misery of Hell. Faith is important, but faith alone without deeds will be fruitless.

Indeed, God has has implanted His own religion (Fitrah) into every human birth. The true religion is innate, with which all humans are equipped. Behind the dazzling religious diversity of mankind stands an innate religion inseparable from human nature. This is the primordial religion, Ur-religion, the one and only true religion.

Sahih International


Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.

. (Qur’an 3:19).

Everyone possesses it unless acculturation and indoctrination, misguidance, corruption or dissuasion have taught him otherwise. Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) said:


" Every newborn child is born on the innate nature (Fitrah ). Then his parents change him into Judaism, Christianity or Magianism."



Knowledge of Divine mercy as well as knowledge of the innate goodness of the human Fitrah, serves three very important functions:

Firstly it gives the believer hope of salvation and success;

Secondly, it gives him confidence in his own potential to do right and resist wrong;

Thirdly, it exhorts and admonishes him to actively pursue all that is right and resist all that is wrong.

These are the merits of sincere repentance. Just as the Prophet Adam, peace be upon him, repented and was pardoned for his wrong action, so may his descendents repent and be pardoned for their wrong actions.

 

[irosie91]

Islam grants a divine right to any muslim to rape, murder and pillage any person who either refuses to convert to islam or---
who refuses to become enslaved to muslims. The "legal system" of islam condones the killing of non muslims unless
the non-muslim is enslaved to muslims under the brutal conditions of Dhimmia. In the case of those enslaved under the brutal system of dhimmia----the murder of a "dhimmi" by a muslim is expiated by a small fine paid to the relatives of
the victom.------in general---even that "justice" is not imposed.
In the "justice" of islam---the value of the life of a dhimmi --is
1/4 that of muslim.

 

[yiostheoy]

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
This is a short introduction to the "original sin" concept in christian theology.


What is original sin?

Although Christianity emphasizes the inherited original/Adam's sin, this principle cannot be traced back to any prophet. No prophet preached it. All prophets emphasized the individual's responsibility for his own words and deeds, as God’s message is the same in its basics with all the prophets.

The doctrine of Original Sin basically boils down to this:

• Everyone has "inherited" this sinful nature from Adam.
• This sinful nature is going to make humans sin, or is a causative something back of the will.
• God is going to condemn everyone to Hell for having this sinful nature.

Atonement and reconciliation

The word atonement is used in Christian theology to describe what is achieved by the alleged death of Jesus. The word was first used in 1526 to translate the Latin word reconciliatio.

In the Revised Standard Version the word reconciliation replaces the word atonement. Atonement (at-one-ment) is the reconciliation of men and women to God through the death of Jesus.

But why was reconciliation needed?

Christian theology suggests that Everybody carries this original sin of Adam with them which separates them from God, just as Adam and Eve were separated from God when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

The Atonement is that Jesus paid the penalty for the original and other sins of men by his death on the cross of Calvary, and that salvation cannot be obtained without belief in the saving power of his blood.


"There is no single doctrine of the atonement in the New Testament. In fact, perhaps more surprisingly, there is no official Church definition either."

(http://www.bbc.co.uk...esusdie_1.shtml)

Jesus taught that salvation lies in good deeds and faith, but the church states that salvation and success was achieved through crucifixion. The teachings of he who they believe to be the son of God, are not in line with what present day churches preach, the illogicality and inconsistency of their faith is obvious.

Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. The root of Christianity is the original sin upon which the crucifixion is justified and used for the benefit of Christians. Like trinity, Jesus never said I would be crucified for Adam's sin nor did he said that children are born sinful. None of these are found in the entire Bible.

The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.

Getting rid of original sin

The way a person can 'cleanse' their soul from sin is

• to accept that Christ's death on the cross atoned for this sin
• to be baptised.

Many Christians who profess to believe in the doctrine of original sin do not know what it teaches. Even more Christians are ignorant of its history and origin.

These medieval dogmas all infest Catholicism and were passed onto Protestantism by Martin Luther who was a Catholic Priest.

These dogmas are pure brainwashing guilt trips designed to enrich the churches with money from their parishioners.

I am pretty sure all the Christian and pseudo-Christian religions have some form of original sin that you must atone for by baptism into their particular faith group.

Beware.

BTW the original Greek word for the KJV English translated "atonement" is "covering". FYI.

 

[yiostheoy]

Islam grants a divine right to any muslim to rape, murder and pillage any person who either refuses to convert to islam or---
who refuses to become enslaved to muslims. The "legal system" of islam condones the killing of non muslims unless
the non-muslim is enslaved to muslims under the brutal conditions of Dhimmia. In the case of those enslaved under the brutal system of dhimmia----the murder of a "dhimmi" by a muslim is expiated by a small fine paid to the relatives of
the victom.------in general---even that "justice" is not imposed.
In the "justice" of islam---the value of the life of a dhimmi --is
1/4 that of muslim.

It is definitely time to burn all Qurans and make Islam illegal in every nation.

Maybe the U.N. can orchestrate this.

 

[irosie91]

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
This is a short introduction to the "original sin" concept in christian theology.


What is original sin?

Although Christianity emphasizes the inherited original/Adam's sin, this principle cannot be traced back to any prophet. No prophet preached it. All prophets emphasized the individual's responsibility for his own words and deeds, as God’s message is the same in its basics with all the prophets.

The doctrine of Original Sin basically boils down to this:

• Everyone has "inherited" this sinful nature from Adam.
• This sinful nature is going to make humans sin, or is a causative something back of the will.
• God is going to condemn everyone to Hell for having this sinful nature.

Atonement and reconciliation

The word atonement is used in Christian theology to describe what is achieved by the alleged death of Jesus. The word was first used in 1526 to translate the Latin word reconciliatio.

In the Revised Standard Version the word reconciliation replaces the word atonement. Atonement (at-one-ment) is the reconciliation of men and women to God through the death of Jesus.

But why was reconciliation needed?

Christian theology suggests that Everybody carries this original sin of Adam with them which separates them from God, just as Adam and Eve were separated from God when they were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

The Atonement is that Jesus paid the penalty for the original and other sins of men by his death on the cross of Calvary, and that salvation cannot be obtained without belief in the saving power of his blood.


"There is no single doctrine of the atonement in the New Testament. In fact, perhaps more surprisingly, there is no official Church definition either."

(http://www.bbc.co.uk...esusdie_1.shtml)

Jesus taught that salvation lies in good deeds and faith, but the church states that salvation and success was achieved through crucifixion. The teachings of he who they believe to be the son of God, are not in line with what present day churches preach, the illogicality and inconsistency of their faith is obvious.

Original sin is an Augustine Christian doctrine that says that everyone is born sinful. The root of Christianity is the original sin upon which the crucifixion is justified and used for the benefit of Christians. Like trinity, Jesus never said I would be crucified for Adam's sin nor did he said that children are born sinful. None of these are found in the entire Bible.

The concept of Original Sin was explained in depth by St Augustine and formalised as part of Roman Catholic doctrine by the Councils of Trent in the 16th Century.

Getting rid of original sin

The way a person can 'cleanse' their soul from sin is

• to accept that Christ's death on the cross atoned for this sin
• to be baptised.

Many Christians who profess to believe in the doctrine of original sin do not know what it teaches. Even more Christians are ignorant of its history and origin.

These medieval dogmas all infest Catholicism and were passed onto Protestantism by Martin Luther who was a Catholic Priest.

These dogmas are pure brainwashing guilt trips designed to enrich the churches with money from their parishioners.

I am pretty sure all the Christian and pseudo-Christian religions have some form of original sin that you must atone for by baptism into their particular faith group.

Beware.

BTW the original Greek word for the KJV English translated "atonement" is "covering". FYI.

so?

 

[Ancient lion]

Issues related to belief might seem to be sensitive to dread on. However, with the advances in communication and the breaking up of cultural barriers among people of various cultures, it becomes necessary that beliefs be investigated objectively and with an open mind. All concerned religious scholars and believers need to give a sympathetic ear to alternative positions or beliefs offered by people from other cultures seeking answers to resolve or at least clarify various issues of universal nature. Especially, if such beliefs are exported to other nations side by side with all types of merchandise. As governments set quality standards on imports of all types, It is important to test such common values and beliefs as well.
Since the concept of “The Original Sin” in Christianity forms the corner stone out of which a cluster of beliefs like the godship of Jesus, crucifixion and salvation have emerged. Therefore, it singles itself out as a good candidate to be studied.
Professor Jurgen Moltmann in his book The Crucified God said:

The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ.​

All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ. It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place.

 

[irosie91]

Issues related to belief might seem to be sensitive to dread on. However, with the advances in communication and the breaking up of cultural barriers among people of various cultures, it becomes necessary that beliefs be investigated objectively and with an open mind. All concerned religious scholars and believers need to give a sympathetic ear to alternative positions or beliefs offered by people from other cultures seeking answers to resolve or at least clarify various issues of universal nature. Especially, if such beliefs are exported to other nations side by side with all types of merchandise. As governments set quality standards on imports of all types, It is important to test such common values and beliefs as well.
Since the concept of “The Original Sin” in Christianity forms the corner stone out of which a cluster of beliefs like the godship of Jesus, crucifixion and salvation have emerged. Therefore, it singles itself out as a good candidate to be studied.
Professor Jurgen Moltmann in his book The Crucified God said:

The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ.​

All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ. It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place.

ok so why did the rapist of mecca die of poisoned lamb?

 

[Dajjal]

The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ.​

All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ. It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place.

The books of the disciples in the new testament all tell an extensive narrative of the crucifixion. But the Quran says Jesus was not crucified. This means according to the Quran much of the bible is fabrication. The Quran also says it confirms all the previous messages. But in fact it refutes them.

 

[Dajjal]

 

[irosie91]

The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ.​

All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ. It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place.

The books of the disciples in the new testament all tell an extensive narrative of the crucifixion. But the Quran says Jesus was not crucified. This means according to the Quran much of the bible is fabrication. The Quran also says it confirms all the previous messages. But in fact it refutes them.

sorry----but I forgot----does the koran include an "account" of the end of the life of Jesus? For the sake of discussion----I will DIVULGE----I read the koran about 45 years ago. ----I was a young adult way back then---a copy of what was then, I believe, a fairly new translation --PICKTHALL----fell into my
hands. I am addicted to reading so, as was my usual custom with any book, I rifled thru the pages. The book
seemed, in significant part, to be all about JOOOOS.
I read it. ------not that I limited reading to 'books about jooos'----
but that fact did spark my interest. I found nothing else interesting about it except that it is an "ancient scriptural writing"----like the far more interesting Baghavad Gita.
It is a very uninteresting book-----which seemed to me SO FULL OF ERRORS-----in that it distorted the histories presented in the Bible ---both OT and NT----that I handed it
to a Pakistani surgeon I knew at that time and told him to
CHECK it out and inform the publisher that it is full or errors.
I was a naïve kid-----I assumed that the mistakes were printing
errors. -----I did grow up since that time----I was not yet 20

 

[Dajjal]

The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ.​

All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ. It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place.

The books of the disciples in the new testament all tell an extensive narrative of the crucifixion. But the Quran says Jesus was not crucified. This means according to the Quran much of the bible is fabrication. The Quran also says it confirms all the previous messages. But in fact it refutes them.

sorry----but I forgot----does the koran include an "account" of the end of the life of Jesus? For the sake of discussion----I will DIVULGE----I read the koran about 45 years ago. ----I was a young adult way back then---a copy of what was then, I believe, a fairly new translation --PICKTHALL----fell into my
hands. I am addicted to reading so, as was my usual custom with any book, I rifled thru the pages. The book
seemed, in significant part, to be all about JOOOOS.
I read it. ------not that I limited reading to 'books about jooos'----
but that fact did spark my interest. I found nothing else interesting about it except that it is an "ancient scriptural writing"----like the far more interesting Baghavad Gita.
It is a very uninteresting book-----which seemed to me SO FULL OF ERRORS-----in that it distorted the histories presented in the Bible ---both OT and NT----that I handed it
to a Pakistani surgeon I knew at that time and told him to
CHECK it out and inform the publisher that it is full or errors.
I was a naïve kid-----I assumed that the mistakes were printing
errors. -----I did grow up since that time----I was not yet 20

As far as I know, all the Quran says is that Jesus was not crucified but someone else was crucified in his place.
I do not recall anything about the end of Jesus life, but it does have two accounts of Jesus childhood which were stolen from a book of fables.

 

[irosie91]

The death of Jesus on the cross is the center of all Christian theology ...all Christian statements about God, about creation, about sin and death have their focal point in the crucified Christ.​

All Christian statements about history, about the church, about future and about hope stem from the crucified Christ. It is prevalent that without the concept of The Original Sin there would be no need for crucifixion, salvation or atonement to take place.

The books of the disciples in the new testament all tell an extensive narrative of the crucifixion. But the Quran says Jesus was not crucified. This means according to the Quran much of the bible is fabrication. The Quran also says it confirms all the previous messages. But in fact it refutes them.

sorry----but I forgot----does the koran include an "account" of the end of the life of Jesus? For the sake of discussion----I will DIVULGE----I read the koran about 45 years ago. ----I was a young adult way back then---a copy of what was then, I believe, a fairly new translation --PICKTHALL----fell into my
hands. I am addicted to reading so, as was my usual custom with any book, I rifled thru the pages. The book
seemed, in significant part, to be all about JOOOOS.
I read it. ------not that I limited reading to 'books about jooos'----
but that fact did spark my interest. I found nothing else interesting about it except that it is an "ancient scriptural writing"----like the far more interesting Baghavad Gita.
It is a very uninteresting book-----which seemed to me SO FULL OF ERRORS-----in that it distorted the histories presented in the Bible ---both OT and NT----that I handed it
to a Pakistani surgeon I knew at that time and told him to
CHECK it out and inform the publisher that it is full or errors.
I was a naïve kid-----I assumed that the mistakes were printing
errors. -----I did grow up since that time----I was not yet 20

As far as I know, all the Quran says is that Jesus was not crucified but someone else was crucified in his place.
I do not recall anything about the end of Jesus life, but it does have two accounts of Jesus childhood which were stolen from a book of fables.

the koran ALSO includes some of the MISHNAH fables-----
It is a kind of JUMBLE of fragments of stories and legends that both Jews and Christians have-------not that which either definitely call actual history----all the way to childish bedtime stories. My impression is that the writers of the koran threw just
about anything into this "DIVINE" book including errors in
names and events.