God of the Gaps (well then, how did...")

abu afak

ALLAH SNACKBAR!
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
3,038
Reaction score
661
Points
315
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
 
Last edited:

C_Clayton_Jones

Diamond Member
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
Messages
54,863
Reaction score
12,637
Points
2,180
Location
In a Republic, actually
It is also known as an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

That there is no objective, documented evidence that explains a scientific inquiry, doesn’t mean ‘god’ is the ‘answer.’
 

IsaacNewton

Gold Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2015
Messages
17,309
Reaction score
3,659
Points
290
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
By extension the 'god of the gaps' argument could be anything. "We don't know so Zeus did it". "Well we just don't know so it must be Zarathustra". Or "The Great Juju of the Sea".

But of course you are trying to argue rationally with people that are irrational. They have no interest in evidence to begin with. They believe what they believe 'just coz'.
 
OP
abu afak

abu afak

ALLAH SNACKBAR!
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
3,038
Reaction score
661
Points
315
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
By extension the 'god of the gaps' argument could be anything. "We don't know so Zeus did it". "Well we just don't know so it must be Zarathustra". Or "The Great Juju of the Sea".

But of course you are trying to argue rationally with people that are irrational. They have no interest in evidence to begin with. They believe what they believe 'just coz'.
Or, like the Clown 'Boss', they claim "all evidence is subjective", and "everything" is evdience of god.
`
 

IsaacNewton

Gold Member
Joined
Jun 20, 2015
Messages
17,309
Reaction score
3,659
Points
290
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
By extension the 'god of the gaps' argument could be anything. "We don't know so Zeus did it". "Well we just don't know so it must be Zarathustra". Or "The Great Juju of the Sea".

But of course you are trying to argue rationally with people that are irrational. They have no interest in evidence to begin with. They believe what they believe 'just coz'.
Or, like the Clown 'Boss', they claim "all evidence is subjective", and "everything" is evdience of god.
`
Yes they attempt to couch everything as 'we don't know so therefore it could be anything'. As if you have to know 100% of something to know anything about it and any unknown in any field means 'it's obviously god'. It is so tedious and lazy to try to make an argument like this.
 
OP
abu afak

abu afak

ALLAH SNACKBAR!
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
3,038
Reaction score
661
Points
315
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
It goes without saying. However you view religion, the very definition of "God" is the supreme original creator of all that is. I like Kaku, he's a smart guy. Something had to create the universe; I like Kaku's idea of God's mind being the music of the cosmic multiverse.
 

Fort Fun Indiana

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2017
Messages
42,871
Reaction score
4,578
Points
1,870
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
It goes without saying. However you view religion, the very definition of "God" is the supreme original creator of all that is. I like Kaku, he's a smart guy. Something had to create the universe; I like Kaku's idea of God's mind being the music of the cosmic multiverse.
Which is fine and doesn't really get in the way of science. "Science describes how the heavens go", not how go to heaven.
 

toobfreak

Platinum Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2017
Messages
28,006
Reaction score
10,679
Points
910
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
It goes without saying. However you view religion, the very definition of "God" is the supreme original creator of all that is. I like Kaku, he's a smart guy. Something had to create the universe; I like Kaku's idea of God's mind being the music of the cosmic multiverse.

You speak of reading hard books as if their complexity alone makes them more valid, yet you cannot even master the complexities of replying to a single post. :auiqs.jpg:
 

ABikerSailor

Diamond Member
Joined
Aug 26, 2008
Messages
49,144
Reaction score
9,380
Points
2,040
Location
Amarillo TX
Remember what Arthur C. Clarke said.................

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Maybe the Big Guy Upstairs is someone with some really cool tech?
 
OP
abu afak

abu afak

ALLAH SNACKBAR!
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
3,038
Reaction score
661
Points
315
You speak of reading hard books as if their complexity alone makes them more valid, yet you cannot even master the complexities of replying to a single post. :auiqs.jpg:
The question was answered by telling we don't know the answer to the question, but that doesn't in any way mean that god is the answer.
Your Fallacious proposition busted.
In fact, in all cases we have a verdict (thousands) gods created as 'explanations' have Failed.
god/s keep getting wittled down from their former explanation for everything as we learn.

I might add, which/Witch god do you mean since there are still many, and ergo, at least 75% of Religionists are necessarily wrong even if one stepped in it.
`
 
Last edited:

toobfreak

Platinum Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2017
Messages
28,006
Reaction score
10,679
Points
910
Remember what Arthur C. Clarke said.................

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Maybe the Big Guy Upstairs is someone with some really cool tech?

It's all just cool technology to the owner and user looking downward. PFM to the onlooker gazing upward. The difference is who gets to be the owner and user vs. all the rest who are merely onlookers.
 

toobfreak

Platinum Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2017
Messages
28,006
Reaction score
10,679
Points
910
Your Fallacious proposition busted.
You cannot denounce an alleged fallacy merely by creating an even bigger one. Reality creates words, not the other way around. When you can tell me you've witnessed a sense of the Brahmajyoti Effulgence while within the 3-body Brahmanic state, then we can talk. But by then, you'll have nothing to say.
 

Fort Fun Indiana

Diamond Member
Joined
Mar 10, 2017
Messages
42,871
Reaction score
4,578
Points
1,870
When you can tell me you've witnessed a sense of the Brahmajyoti Effulgence while within the 3-body Brahmanic state, then we can talk
Why? Personal and eyewitness testimony is just about the most unreliable evidence which exists. Raise your bar, dude.
 
OP
abu afak

abu afak

ALLAH SNACKBAR!
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
3,038
Reaction score
661
Points
315
You cannot denounce an alleged fallacy merely by creating an even bigger one. Reality creates words, not the other way around. When you can tell me you've witnessed a sense of the Brahmajyoti Effulgence while within the 3-body Brahmanic state, then we can talk. But by then, you'll have nothing to say.
I didn't create any fallacy.
I just pointed out yours... which remains.. and remains Uncontested.
You used 'God of the Gaps' FALLACY.
Now you know what it is.
Your welcome Rev.

Then to add Ultra-stupid/another fallacy, you said I have to achieve Brahamanic state!
I don't have to achieve anything.
`
 

james bond

Gold Member
Joined
Oct 17, 2015
Messages
8,038
Reaction score
681
Points
155
This is probably THEE #1 rationale for those arguing for a god on msg boards.
"Well then, did all this stuff just appear?".. "how did ___ if not god?"
And we can see several Fallacious OPs currently employing this boner.

If we can't explain it/explain it Yet, it must be 'god.'
The same Bogus/Failed 'logic' used for creating Fire, Lightning, Sun, Fertility, and Ten thousand other 'gods.'

1. God of the gaps - RationalWiki

God of the gaps

(or a divine fallacy) is logical fallacy that occurs when Goddidit (or a variant) is invoked to explain some natural phenomena that science cannot (at the time of the argument). This concept is similar to what systems theorists refer to as an "explanatory principle." "God of the gaps" is a bad argument not only on logical grounds, but on empirical grounds: there is a long history of "gaps" being filled and the gap for God thus getting smaller and smaller, suggesting "we don't know Yet" as an alternative that works Better in practice; naturalistic explanations for still-mysterious phenomena are always possible, especially in the future where more information may be uncovered.[1]

The God of the Gaps is a didit Fallacy and an ad hoc Fallacy, as well as an Argument from Incredulity or an Argument from Ignorance, and is thus an informal fallacy...​


2. Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of...pe_of_argument

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy.[13][14] Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural.

One example of such an argument, which uses God as an explanation of one of the current gaps in biological science, is as follows: "Because current science can't figure out exactly how life started, it must be God who caused life to start." Critics of intelligent design creationism, for example, have accused proponents of using this basic type of argument.[15]

God-of-the-gaps arguments have been Discouraged by some theologians who assert that such arguments tend to relegate God to the Leftovers of science: as scientific knowledge Increases, the dominion of God Decreases...[4][5][16][17]​


There is NO proof, or even evidence for god/s, just fallacious god-of-the-gaps inferences.
`
So ignorant. You do not even know what God of the Gaps is. I've heard the universe and we are here when we're not supposed to and that is proof of the big bang and abiogenesis.

The argument is fallacious, but it's not because it's called God of the Gaps. The latter was a warning to creation scientists. You do not even know what type of fallacy it is.
 

toobfreak

Platinum Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2017
Messages
28,006
Reaction score
10,679
Points
910
When you can tell me you've witnessed a sense of the Brahmajyoti Effulgence while within the 3-body Brahmanic state, then we can talk
Why? Personal and eyewitness testimony is just about the most unreliable evidence which exists. Raise your bar, dude.

There is no bar higher in this world than personal experience. You need to get some. The bar I mentioned is already a mile beyond you at the ceiling of this world. Sadly, the "bar" you think of as a standard is nothing but a bar of the mundane. Science is replete throughout history of tests and observations having passed that bar over and over only to be disproved as totally wrong again years later. The bar you know and speak of is the very same one that once told scientists, philosophers, Kings and rulers that the world was flat.
 
OP
abu afak

abu afak

ALLAH SNACKBAR!
Joined
Mar 3, 2006
Messages
3,038
Reaction score
661
Points
315
<snip>I didn't create any fallacy. I don't have to achieve anything.
You certainly didn't. You merely live it. That is your achievement.
So you have NO answer to my Porking your Fallacious God of the Gaps premise/rationale.
Zero.

Nor your idiotic claim that I must be in a Brahaminic state.
You dishonest last-wording clown.
You Lost.
`
 

New Topics

Most reactions - Past 7 days

Forum List

Top