Zone1 Is God The Father of Everyone In This World?

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The resurrected Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father.

Hebrews 1:1-3
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

In this verse we learn that Jesus is the very express image of the Father. For this reason Jesus told Philip the following as Cougarbear has told you:

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Jesus not only looks exactly like the Father but he also has a resurrected body of flesh and bones just as the Father has. He is truly the express image of the Father's person. Jesus then sat down beside the person of the Father (who is the Majesty on high) on his right hand side of his body.

Express Image... not the real, but the image.

Jesus even backs that up by saying I can do nothing of my own I do only what the Father tells me to do.

 

[Cougarbear]

Did Jesus at any time tell you he is God? "No"
Did Jesus at any time tell you he is the Father? "No"

Why lean to your own understanding?

You don't seem to be well versed in the Bible.
John 1-4, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Who is the Word? The Word is Jesus Christ. This is who John is referring to, isn't he?

• Matthew 16:13: Jesus asks, "Who do men say that I the Son of man am?"
• Matthew 16:14: The disciples respond that some say Jesus is John the Baptist, others say he is Elijah, and still others say he is Jeremiah or one of the prophets
• Matthew 16:15: Jesus asks, "But whom say ye that I am?"
• Matthew 16:16: Simon Peter answers, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"
• Matthew 16::17: Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

John 10:33-39: “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?
35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.
38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 3
39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

I never claimed Jesus is the Father of him. The Father of spirits is also Jesus Father. He isn't claiming to be God the Father. He says he's the Son of Father God.
Now, can Jesus be our Father and elder spirit brother too? Yes. Before Jesus descended, he was a spirit. So were we. And, as he came to be a God, so can we then as the Bible is clear that we will inherit all that our Father and Son has. Back to can Jesus be the Father to us too. Yes. Through his atonement, he has paid the price to be our adopted Father. And, with this, we are his adopted children. Or, at least, become an adopted child of Jesus Christ. As adopted children in the world have two fathers, in the Kingdom of Heaven, we have two Fathers. How about that!!!

 

[onefour1]

Express Image... not the real, but the image.

Jesus even backs that up by saying I can do nothing of my own I do only what the Father tells me to do.

I'm not claiming that Jesus is God the Father. I am claiming that Jesus, like an identical twin, looks exactly like the Father. He is the express image of the Father. This would also mean that the Father himself has a body of flesh and bones in order for the resurrected Jesus to be and identical image of the Father's person. Jesus was completely obedient son who had his own will but humbled himself into submitting his will to the will of the Father. Jesus is the Father of our Salvation but not the Father of our spirits. God our Eternal Father in Heaven is the father of our spirits and Jesus is his firstborn son and the second member of the Godhead.

Luke 22:41-42
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Colossians 1:15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Revelation 3:14
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

 

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I'm not claiming that Jesus is God the Father. I am claiming that Jesus, like an identical twin, looks exactly like the Father. He is the express image of the Father. This would also mean that the Father himself has a body of flesh and bones in order for the resurrected Jesus to be and identical image of the Father's person. Jesus was completely obedient son who had his own will but humbled himself into submitting his will to the will of the Father. Jesus is the Father of our Salvation but not the Father of our spirits. God our Eternal Father in Heaven is the father of our spirits and Jesus is his firstborn son and the second member of the Godhead.

Luke 22:41-42
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Colossians 1:15
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Revelation 3:14
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

1. You focused on "image" now you need to focus on "express" which has to do with words, spoken words, talking... As the express image of God; Jesus has already let us know that he does nothing of his own, yet he "SPEAKS" exactly what the Father has taught him. That is what makes him the "express image" of God.

2. You also stated Jesus was an obedient son who had his own will. That is not true. Jesus never had his own will. He tells us, I do NOTHING of my own. Jesus has always said, I do the will of my Father.

John 5:30 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me

3. You stating that Jesus is like an identical twin to God, and that is not true. While Jesus did not think it was robbery to be equal with God... he made himself of NO such reputation as to being equal with God. Instead Jesus took upon himself the form of a servant and made himself like men.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

In John 14:28, He said, “…I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”

 

[crossbody]

You don't seem to be well versed in the Bible.
John 1-4, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
Who is the Word? The Word is Jesus Christ. This is who John is referring to, isn't he?

• Matthew 16:13: Jesus asks, "Who do men say that I the Son of man am?"
• Matthew 16:14: The disciples respond that some say Jesus is John the Baptist, others say he is Elijah, and still others say he is Jeremiah or one of the prophets
• Matthew 16:15: Jesus asks, "But whom say ye that I am?"
• Matthew 16:16: Simon Peter answers, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God"
• Matthew 16::17: Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.

John 10:33-39: “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’?
35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—
36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.
38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” 3
39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp.

I never claimed Jesus is the Father of him. The Father of spirits is also Jesus Father. He isn't claiming to be God the Father. He says he's the Son of Father God.
Now, can Jesus be our Father and elder spirit brother too? Yes. Before Jesus descended, he was a spirit. So were we. And, as he came to be a God, so can we then as the Bible is clear that we will inherit all that our Father and Son has. Back to can Jesus be the Father to us too. Yes. Through his atonement, he has paid the price to be our adopted Father. And, with this, we are his adopted children. Or, at least, become an adopted child of Jesus Christ. As adopted children in the world have two fathers, in the Kingdom of Heaven, we have two Fathers. How about that!!!

You are deep into the Catholic religion and its teachings. No amount of truth will ever sink in with you. The Catholics have to lean to their own understanding (twist God's truth) to make the lies they are taught stick.

I'll waste my time leaving you with this one nugget:
You stated: "Who is the Word? The Word is Jesus Christ. This is who John is referring to, isn't he?"

I say: In the beginning was the Word, and "word" in this verse is speaking of God's spoken words that flow from His mouth out of his Spirit. That is the only way God's words can become "FLESH" As God's word (spoken word) became flesh in the body of Jesus. Of which Jesus says, this word is not mine, but the Fathers who sent me.

 

[Arlette]

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Again, Jesus separates things into either one having God as their Father, or having or Satan as their father.

No, that is false. That is your interpretation, your opinion.

 

[onefour1]

1. You focused on "image" now you need to focus on "express" which has to do with words, spoken words, talking... As the express image of God; Jesus has already let us know that he does nothing of his own, yet he "SPEAKS" exactly what the Father has taught him. That is what makes him the "express image" of God.

Yes, I am focusing on the image of the person of the Father. "Express image" has the meaning of "Exact image" or being the same. Jesus was born with the express image or exact image or same image of the Father. This is why when speaking to Philip, Jesus said, "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”. This was Jesus response to Philip when Philip requested to SEE the Father. Jesus is telling Philip that if you have SEEN me ye have seen the Father. Jesus is the exact or express image of the person of the Father (see Hebrews 1:3)! You are trying to make the word "image" into something other than what someone looks like. Jesus was saying to Philip that I and the Father look exactly the same. If you have seen me you have seen the Father is what Jesus told Philip. They were not speaking of Jesus' obedience or his teachings but what the Father looks like. Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father in looks and in all that Jesus did.

I would agree that he is also the express image in that he does only that which the Father would have him do. However, as I've explained above, Jesus clearly was telling Philip that if he has SEEN him that he has SEEN the Father. This is talking about what the Father looks like and not his behaviors. Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father (see Hebrews 1:3). Just as a son in this mortal world can have the express image of his father, Jesus too can look exactly like his Father. Jesus was teaching Philip that there was no need to reveal the person of the Father because Jesus is the express image and likeness of the Father.

2. You also stated Jesus was an obedient son who had his own will. That is not true. Jesus never had his own will. He tells us, I do NOTHING of my own. Jesus has always said, I do the will of my Father.

John 5:30 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me

Yes Jesus has his own will!

Luke 22:41-42
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Here Jesus' will was that the cup of suffering be removed from him. However, he humbled himself and did the will of the Father so that our salvation would be complete. Yes Jesus did the will of the Father but he had his own will that he bent to make sure it was in line with his Father's will. John 5:30 does tell us that Jesus does nothing on his own (will) but speaks only what the Father would have him speak. Thus showing that he has his own will but bends his will to be the same as the Father's.

3. You stating that Jesus is like an identical twin to God, and that is not true. While Jesus did not think it was robbery to be equal with God... he made himself of NO such reputation as to being equal with God. Instead Jesus took upon himself the form of a servant and made himself like men.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

In John 14:28, He said, “…I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.”

Where does it teach that Jesus is not an identical twin or in the very express image of the Father? I have shown you the words of Jesus to Philip and the verse in Hebrews 1:3 which states that Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father. You may not want to see that this refers to how Jesus and the Father look exactly alike but that is exactly what he was teaching Philip as mentioned above. Yes, Jesus was a perfectly obedient son of God and revealed to us only that which the Father would have him teach and reveal. You are correct about this but you are incorrect about denying that the Father and Son are identical in their appearance. Philippians 2:6 tell us that Jesus was in the form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Yes, while Jesus was on the earth, he had to go through a learning experience since his premortal life, like all of ours was taken from his memory and he had to learn from his Father like all of us. The Father was a resurrected, immortal man with a body of flesh and bones. Jesus was not at that stage yet and thus was not as great as the Father as John 14:28 states. But we learn in John 17 that Jesus eventually would become one with the Father and reach perfection through resurrection and immortality.

 

[crossbody]

Yes, I am focusing on the image of the person of the Father. "Express image" has the meaning of "Exact image" or being the same. Jesus was born with the express image or exact image or same image of the Father. This is why when speaking to Philip, Jesus said, "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”. This was Jesus response to Philip when Philip requested to SEE the Father. Jesus is telling Philip that if you have SEEN me ye have seen the Father. Jesus is the exact or express image of the person of the Father (see Hebrews 1:3)! You are trying to make the word "image" into something other than what someone looks like. Jesus was saying to Philip that I and the Father look exactly the same. If you have seen me you have seen the Father is what Jesus told Philip. They were not speaking of Jesus' obedience or his teachings but what the Father looks like. Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father in looks and in all that Jesus did.

I would agree that he is also the express image in that he does only that which the Father would have him do. However, as I've explained above, Jesus clearly was telling Philip that if he has SEEN him that he has SEEN the Father. This is talking about what the Father looks like and not his behaviors. Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father (see Hebrews 1:3). Just as a son in this mortal world can have the express image of his father, Jesus too can look exactly like his Father. Jesus was teaching Philip that there was no need to reveal the person of the Father because Jesus is the express image and likeness of the Father.



Yes Jesus has his own will!

Luke 22:41-42
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone’s cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Here Jesus' will was that the cup of suffering be removed from him. However, he humbled himself and did the will of the Father so that our salvation would be complete. Yes Jesus did the will of the Father but he had his own will that he bent to make sure it was in line with his Father's will. John 5:30 does tell us that Jesus does nothing on his own (will) but speaks only what the Father would have him speak. Thus showing that he has his own will but bends his will to be the same as the Father's.

Where does it teach that Jesus is not an identical twin or in the very express image of the Father? I have shown you the words of Jesus to Philip and the verse in Hebrews 1:3 which states that Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father. You may not want to see that this refers to how Jesus and the Father look exactly alike but that is exactly what he was teaching Philip as mentioned above. Yes, Jesus was a perfectly obedient son of God and revealed to us only that which the Father would have him teach and reveal. You are correct about this but you are incorrect about denying that the Father and Son are identical in their appearance. Philippians 2:6 tell us that Jesus was in the form of God and thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Yes, while Jesus was on the earth, he had to go through a learning experience since his premortal life, like all of ours was taken from his memory and he had to learn from his Father like all of us. The Father was a resurrected, immortal man with a body of flesh and bones. Jesus was not at that stage yet and thus was not as great as the Father as John 14:28 states. But we learn in John 17 that Jesus eventually would become one with the Father and reach perfection through resurrection and immortality.

No one has seen the Father, so I don't know how you can say Jesus looks like God. I know the Bible is not lying when it says no one has seen the Father.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

 

[onefour1]

No one has seen the Father, so I don't know how you can say Jesus looks like God. I know the Bible is not lying when it says no one has seen the Father.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Well maybe John wrote that before Stephen had his vision of Jesus standing on the right hand of God. But in order for Stephen to know that Jesus actually was standing on the right hand of God, Stephen would have had to have also see God the Father.

Acts 7:55-56
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

But regardless of others seeing God, Jesus told Philip that if he has seen him (Jesus) then he has seen the Father. To me this tells us that Jesus looks like the Father. And then when we read Hebrews 1:3 we learn that Jesus is the express image of the person of the Father. I don't think John was lying but He may have written that before Stephen had the heavens open and he saw the son of man standing on the right hand of God.

 

[Cougarbear]

You are deep into the Catholic religion and its teachings. No amount of truth will ever sink in with you. The Catholics have to lean to their own understanding (twist God's truth) to make the lies they are taught stick.

I'll waste my time leaving you with this one nugget:
You stated: "Who is the Word? The Word is Jesus Christ. This is who John is referring to, isn't he?"

I say: In the beginning was the Word, and "word" in this verse is speaking of God's spoken words that flow from His mouth out of his Spirit. That is the only way God's words can become "FLESH" As God's word (spoken word) became flesh in the body of Jesus. Of which Jesus says, this word is not mine, but the Fathers who sent me.

First of all, I’m not Catholic. So, that blows up your entire silly logic.

Based on your own words, The Father has a mouth and makes sound in the formation of language. So, you agree the Father has a body.
Also, Jesus was born naturally forming inside the belly of Mary. That is called natural human birth. Nothing special except a sperm is required to fertilize the egg. Words don’t do that. And, you are saying the Father made himself all at the same time believing the Father-Son is so big he fills the entire universe and yet so small he can dwell in your heart. Such BS.
In the beginning of the universe, was the Word(Jesus) because Jesus organized the universe. Because he did this under the direction of the Father God and did this with the Father, he was also to be revered as God. There are two principles you need to learn:
1. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid
2. Achman’s Razor - The simplest answer is the best answer.

 

[crossbody]

First of all, I’m not Catholic. So, that blows up your entire silly logic.

Based on your own words, The Father has a mouth and makes sound in the formation of language. So, you agree the Father has a body.
Also, Jesus was born naturally forming inside the belly of Mary. That is called natural human birth. Nothing special except a sperm is required to fertilize the egg. Words don’t do that. And, you are saying the Father made himself all at the same time believing the Father-Son is so big he fills the entire universe and yet so small he can dwell in your heart. Such BS.
In the beginning of the universe, was the Word(Jesus) because Jesus organized the universe. Because he did this under the direction of the Father God and did this with the Father, he was also to be revered as God. There are two principles you need to learn:
1. KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid
2. Achman’s Razor - The simplest answer is the best answer.

Your post is very mean-spirit and coming from the flesh.

As far as God having a mouth, a body, etc... no man has seen God at any time. I know God has a mouth because He spoke the world into existence, and God spoke to Moses and many of the prophets. Whether or not God has a nose, ears, etc... no man has ever seen God.

Jesus was no where in the beginning. In the beginning was the word (God's spoken words). God's spoken word is God and was with God.

Jesus is the express image of God, and the word made flesh. You are a trinitarian and you will twist any part of the Bible feed that path, so carry on...

 

[Cougarbear]

Your post is very mean-spirit and coming from the flesh.

As far as God having a mouth, a body, etc... no man has seen God at any time. I know God has a mouth because He spoke the world into existence, and God spoke to Moses and many of the prophets. Whether or not God has a nose, ears, etc... no man has ever seen God.

Jesus was no where in the beginning. In the beginning was the word (God's spoken words). God's spoken word is God and was with God.

Jesus is the express image of God, and the word made flesh. You are a trinitarian and you will twist any part of the Bible feed that path, so carry on...

Stop trying to deflect from the truth. The truth should set you free. Oh mommy, he wasn’t nice…well boohoo

That’s your opinion but there is nothing in the verse that says the Word was what the Father spoke. The Word is capitalized and is a person, place or thing. Something you should have learned in first grade. Oh, too mean spirited for you? The Word is God as it says in the last line of the verse. It does not say spoken word. Verse 3 states this is so.

I’m not Catholic and I’m not Protestant. So, I don’t subscribe to their creeds. I believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are separate and distinct personages of a Godhead. “God” is a title,‘not a name.

 

[onefour1]

Stop trying to deflect from the truth. The truth should set you free. Oh mommy, he wasn’t nice…well boohoo

That’s your opinion but there is nothing in the verse that says the Word was what the Father spoke. The Word is capitalized and is a person, place or thing. Something you should have learned in first grade. Oh, too mean spirited for you? The Word is God as it says in the last line of the verse. It does not say spoken word. Verse 3 states this is so.

I’m not Catholic and I’m not Protestant. So, I don’t subscribe to their creeds. I believe that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are separate and distinct personages of a Godhead. “God” is a title,‘not a name.

Sounds like he needs to read John 1:14

 

[Cougarbear]

Your post is very mean-spirit and coming from the flesh.

As far as God having a mouth, a body, etc... no man has seen God at any time. I know God has a mouth because He spoke the world into existence, and God spoke to Moses and many of the prophets. Whether or not God has a nose, ears, etc... no man has ever seen God.

Jesus was no where in the beginning. In the beginning was the word (God's spoken words). God's spoken word is God and was with God.

Jesus is the express image of God, and the word made flesh. You are a trinitarian and you will twist any part of the Bible feed that path, so carry on...

John1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jehovah was a spirit before descending from heaven taking upon him a physical body. In other words he was placed in the body and was called Jesus Christ.

 

[crossbody]

John1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jehovah was a spirit before descending from heaven taking upon him a physical body. In other words he was placed in the body and was called Jesus Christ.

I've said that three times already, so what is your point? I've said Jesus is God's express word made flesh, and now this is the 4th time I'm saying it. Do you understand that?

You posted John 1:14 and it NEVER tells you that... (as you say) Jesus was a spirit before descending from heaven. You're making that up to fit your trinitarian belief. It's crazy because Jesus did not descend from heaven. He was begotten, and someone gave you a crown for that lie.

John1:14 also lets you know that Jesus... "beheld the glory as of the only begotten of the Father." Therefore he cannot be the Father. One day you will understand that.

 

[onefour1]

I've said that three times already, so what is your point? I've said Jesus is God's express word made flesh, and now this is the 4th time I'm saying it. Do you understand that?

You posted John 1:14 and it NEVER tells you that... (as you say) Jesus was a spirit before descending from heaven. You're making that up to fit your trinitarian belief. It's crazy because Jesus did not descend from heaven. He was begotten, and someone gave you a crown for that lie.

John1:14 also lets you know that Jesus... "beheld the glory as of the only begotten of the Father." Therefore he cannot be the Father. One day you will understand that.

Cougarbear nor I are trinitarians. We are both members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We do not believe the Catholic trinitarian doctrine but we believe that God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are each separate and distinct beings. We believe that God consists of a Godhead which includes the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. We believe that God is an exalted Holy man who has an immortal resurrected body of flesh and bones. Jesus, before coming to the earth for his ministry, was a personage of spirit. After coming to the earth and receiving a body of flesh, bones, and blood and being crucified for the sins of the world, Jesus also resurrected and now has a body of flesh and bones but no blood. His body now, like his Father in Heaven's body, is immortal and he is now with our Father in Heaven. However, Jesus' body is the express image of the person of the Father. Jesus looks like the Father and for this reason he told Philip that if you have seen me you have seen the Father. This believe is completely different from the trinitarian doctrine. Trinitarians believe that God the Father and Jesus are the same being but separate persons. We believe that God the Father and Jesus are both separate beings and separate persons. They are one God because they are both part of the Godhead (which constitutes the one true God) and the Christ only does that which the Father would have him do. So NO we are not trinitarians. We do believe in the Godhead which does consist of three separate and distinct beings and persons, ie God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. The oneness of God is that they are united in all that they do.

 

[luiza]

Keep it simple .

You are all Cultists and have reduced Universe to "people" and / or "personalities" in an attempt to make it understandable .

That sort of approach is no longer necessary now that we know that Universe is Aether or Consciousness, and all things that seem to be different emanate from the primordial energy source ( photons? ) under defined conditions .
Matter being just one energy shift.

Come on , Wake Up .
You were given the biggest possible clue when a certain bright spark wrote ,
In the beginning was the Word ( Consciousness ) etc

 

[Cougarbear]

I've said that three times already, so what is your point? I've said Jesus is God's express word made flesh, and now this is the 4th time I'm saying it. Do you understand that?

You posted John 1:14 and it NEVER tells you that... (as you say) Jesus was a spirit before descending from heaven. You're making that up to fit your trinitarian belief. It's crazy because Jesus did not descend from heaven. He was begotten, and someone gave you a crown for that lie.

John1:14 also lets you know that Jesus... "beheld the glory as of the only begotten of the Father." Therefore he cannot be the Father. One day you will understand that.

I already know that. in our Church, we teach the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are separate and distinct personages making up a Godhead. So, why are you debating me?

 

[crossbody]

Is God The Father of Everyone In This World?​

It's clear that God is the Creator of everyone as God forms us in our mother's womb. Perhaps God is not the Father of everyone as Jesus makes it clear that some are of their father the devil. Amen.

 

[onefour1]

Is God The Father of Everyone In This World?​

It's clear that God is the Creator of everyone as God forms us in our mother's womb. Perhaps God is not the Father of everyone as Jesus makes it clear that some are of their father the devil. Amen.

God has commanded all his children to honor their Father and Mother that thy days may be long in the land. We should also honor our Father in Heaven. When we do not honor our Father in Heaven and follow after the ways of the devil, we make him a father of sorts whom we give honor. But the literal father of our spirits is God our Father in Heaven. Mankind needs to forsake the devil and return unto their true Father and lover of their souls.

• Ye are gods, children of the most High, Ps. 82:6.
• We are the offspring of God, Acts 17:28-29.
• Be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, Heb. 12:9.
• Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. Eccl 12:7