US strategy after Iran acquired nukes.

I answered your original question. No
The answer to this new one is, can't happen, Iran has no ships, if they do, they will be sunk before doing any damage.
All what you are certain about at the start of the turn one is that Iran had tested a nuke.

All you are more or less certain about at the end of turn two, that CIA had more or less confirmed report that there are China made ships, disguised as civilian ships, equiped with Russia-made missiles, crewed mostly by North Koreans, and there are about ten of them. You don't know where exactly they are and how exactly they are disguised. And there is pretty high probability, that if you attack one of them - others will launch their missiles at US cities.

At the turn three you are certain that Iran has precise missiles with good counter-ABD features and they are ready to use them at least against military targets.
 
Link? Not that you have any credibility or anything.
It's a game. What if, Iran acquired nukes and good delivery systems with credible second-strike capability?
What would be US strategy in this case?
 
All what you are certain about at the start of the turn one is that Iran had tested a nuke.
All you are more or less certain about at the end of turn two, that CIA had more or less confirmed report that there are China made ships, disguised as civilian ships, equipped with Russia-made missiles, crewed mostly by North Koreans, and there are about ten of them. You don't know where exactly they are and how exactly they are disguised. And there is pretty high probability, that if you attack one of them - others will launch their missiles at US cities.
At the turn three you are certain that Iran has precise missiles with good counter-ABD features and they are ready to use them at least against military targets.
Your specialty is setting up ridiculous strawman arguments.
My counter argument is that of "sanity".
Are there any countries in your scenario with insane dictators, or are they all "sane"?
No "sane" leader would risk extermination by attacking the US, even with proxies.
Besides, the US is developing the "Golden Dome" system.
 
Your specialty is setting up ridiculous strawman arguments.
My counter argument is that of "sanity".
Are there any countries in your scenario with insane dictators, or are they all "sane"?
No "sane" leader would risk extermination by attacking the US, even with proxies.
Besides, the US is developing the "Golden Dome" system.
Sanity is overvalued.
In my (actually, partly your) scenario, Iran see US blockade, as well as Israel's nuclear arsenal, as a vital threat, and after acquiring the credible second strike capability, they decided to eliminate the threat. From their point of view they have nothing to lose.
 
Sanity is overvalued.
In my (actually, partly your) scenario, Iran see US blockade, as well as Israel's nuclear arsenal, as a vital threat, and after acquiring the credible second strike capability, they decided to eliminate the threat. From their point of view they have nothing to lose.
Extermination by a technically superior foe is losing everything. Iran is not that stupid.
 
It's a game. What if, Iran acquired nukes and good delivery systems with credible second-strike capability?
What would be US strategy in this case?
You perhaps don’t have a sufficient grasp on the English language. You Mr post didn’t say what you now claim you had posted.

Since we can all now see that you’re babbling about a completely unrealistic hypothetical, the best answer is refusal to play your “game.”
 
Extermination by a technically superior foe is losing everything. Iran is not that stupid.
No. They believe that:
1) the pro-US American decision makers will avoid losing from five to fifty cities, and will not attack Iran by nukes without very serious reason (like attack on US territory itself).
2) they knew that Israel is trying to attack them first.
3) the pro-Isralis American decision makers will try to avoid destruction of Israelies cities.
4) Continue of US blocade will cause end of Iranian state.
5) Crazy religious fanatics in Israel can try to attack Iran with their nuclear forces.
6) Americans with their vastly superior fleet and intelligence rather sooner than later will find out positions and routes of their nuclear ships and, will get capability to eliminate all those ships by one strike.

From Iran's point of view they can:
1) Simply wait. In this case Israel will nuke them anyway, because they already preparing, and, quite likely, America will try to attack Iranian nuclear forcese first. And either economic blockade will destroy their regime, or "exclusive ties" with Russia will cause them losing their independence.

2) Beg for direct protection Russia and China. It will make Iran half-colony of those countries and will cost Iran even more, than buying the nuclear fleet.

3) Alleviate and make few steps back. In this situation they win nothing, only increase gravity of their situation by losing the only leverage they have.

4) As they are in the situation "use it or lose it" they can try to attack American and Israeli cities right now, while they are unprepared. It will definitely cause significant retaliation strike that will kill up to 50-80% of Iranian population. But if Americans understand this conception (and they do) it can push them to alleviate, remove blockade and make mutually acceptable peace deal before such strike is committed. But also it is possible that they might choose (as you already suggested) to hold positions and wait, accepting the risk of the said attack, believing that their threat of retaliation is good enough.

5) As they are in the situation "use it or lose it", they can slightly and accurately escalate, and eliminate, by the counter-force strike, Israel's nuclear forces with virtually zero civilian losses. From their point of view, pro-Americans among US decision-makers might decide that it's important to protect American cities (and don't attack Iran, because it will cause destruction from five to fifty US cities) and pro-Jews among US decision-makers might decide that if the bulk of Israel's nuclear forces already destroyed, they should avoid escalation and certain death of ten millions of Israel's civilians.

So, from their point of view, it might be their best option, and they did exactly that.

Now, it's your turn as an American decision maker:

1) Alleviate and defuze the situation. In this case you, may be, losing some of your influence in Middle East and have to live in the world with at least one more additional nuclear player.
2) Wait and try to find out where exectly Iranian nuclear ships are located, make preparations and attack their ships. It will take days or even weeks anyway, and there is high probability, that Iranians will attack your cities while they still can do it, and when their civilians are in shelters, if they realise what exactly you are doing.
3) Attack Iranian cities immediately, ignoring Iranian nuclear forces. In this case Iran will be virtually annihilated, but America will definitely suffer terrible damage - losing from five to fifty cities, and, what is worse, it may provoke Russia and China to attack the USA too, while US nuclear capabilities are exhausted by its massive attack on Iran. (At least because from Ru&Chi point of view, if America doesn't care about US civilians, it means that their detterence doesn't work anymore, too. And it's the best possible opportunity to wipe out American nuclear forces with suffering as minimal retaliation as it's possible).

4) Suggest your option.

What would you choose in this situation?
 
You perhaps don’t have a sufficient grasp on the English language. You Mr post didn’t say what you now claim you had posted.

Since we can all now see that you’re babbling about a completely unrealistic hypothetical, the best answer is refusal to play your “game.”
What exactly is "unrealistic"? Ability of Iran to buy and/or produce nukes?
Or, may be, you think that Russia is bluffing, telling that Non-prolifiration Treaty is practically over?
Think one more time.
 
Last edited:
No. They believe that:
1) the pro-US American decision makers will avoid losing from five to fifty cities, and will not attack Iran by nukes without very serious reason (like attack on US territory itself).
2) they knew that Israel is trying to attack them first.
3) the pro-Isralis American decision makers will try to avoid destruction of Israelies cities.
4) Continue of US blocade will cause end of Iranian state.
5) Crazy religious fanatics in Israel can try to attack Iran with their nuclear forces.
6) Americans with their vastly superior fleet and intelligence rather sooner than later will find out positions and routes of their nuclear ships and, will get capability to eliminate all those ships by one strike.

From Iran's point of view they can:
1) Simply wait. In this case Israel will nuke them anyway, because they already preparing, and, quite likely, America will try to attack Iranian nuclear forcese first. And either economic blockade will destroy their regime, or "exclusive ties" with Russia will cause them losing their independence.

2) Beg for direct protection Russia and China. It will make Iran half-colony of those countries and will cost Iran even more, than buying the nuclear fleet.

3) Alleviate and make few steps back. In this situation they win nothing, only increase gravity of their situation by losing the only leverage they have.

4) As they are in the situation "use it or lose it" they can try to attack American and Israeli cities right now, while they are unprepared. It will definitely cause significant retaliation strike that will kill up to 50-80% of Iranian population. But if Americans understand this conception (and they do) it can push them to alleviate, remove blockade and make mutually acceptable peace deal before such strike is committed. But also it is possible that they might choose (as you already suggested) to hold positions and wait, accepting the risk of the said attack, believing that their threat of retaliation is good enough.

5) As they are in the situation "use it or lose it", they can slightly and accurately escalate, and eliminate, by the counter-force strike, Israel's nuclear forces with virtually zero civilian losses. From their point of view, pro-Americans among US decision-makers might decide that it's important to protect American cities (and don't attack Iran, because it will cause destruction from five to fifty US cities) and pro-Jews among US decision-makers might decide that if the bulk of Israel's nuclear forces already destroyed, they should avoid escalation and certain death of ten millions of Israel's civilians.

So, from their point of view, it might be their best option, and they did exactly that.

Now, it's your turn as an American decision maker:

1) Alleviate and defuse the situation. In this case you, may be, losing some of your influence in Middle East and have to live in the world with at least one more additional nuclear player.
Possible. This is the "mow the grass" option . If Iran starts developing nukes or ICBMs, bomb them back to here again, as many times as it takes.
2) Wait and try to find out where exactly Iranian nuclear ships are located, make preparations and attack their ships. It will take days or even weeks anyway, and there is high probability, that Iranians will attack your cities while they still can do it, and when their civilians are in shelters, if they realise what exactly you are doing.
It would take less than an hour. A radioactive country is death by slower means. Still a stupid option.
3) Attack Iranian cities immediately, ignoring Iranian nuclear forces. In this case Iran will be virtually annihilated, but America will definitely suffer terrible damage - losing from five to fifty cities, and, what is worse, it may provoke Russia and China to attack the USA too, while US nuclear capabilities are exhausted by its massive attack on Iran. (At least because from Ru&Chi point of view, if America doesn't care about US civilians, it means that their deterrence doesn't work anymore, too. And it's the best possible opportunity to wipe out American nuclear forces with suffering as minimal retaliation as it's possible).
Stupid option.
4) Suggest your option. What would you choose in this situation?
I would choose to keep the US blockade until Iran surrenders or dies. Plus bombing any military attempts to close Hormuz.
 
Back
Top Bottom