Obama Thinks A 5% Pay Cut Is Enough. My Pay Is Getting Cut 25%

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I'm in a briefing that says 25% of my pay will be gone because of Sequester.

Obama has all of his expenses paid for yet he thinks taking a 5% pay cut will make us happy.

Bullshit!!!!!!

They're telling us to cut out the TV, Cell-Phones, put our Debit card in a bucket of water.

Great advice. Good times.



I've been told all of my deductions will remain in effect yet they will cut 25% of my takehome pay.

If Obama and his fucken family can keep having parties he can afford to pay us.
Uhhhh, why put your debit card in a bucket of water?

If you want to bank smart, go with a credit union and get a debit/check card.



I do it and I don't pay ANY bank fees! And I don't pay interest, or go into debt by overspending.
Wow, you don't go into debt and you survive. To bad the government isn't as smart as you.
 

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The biggest problems with government workers pay is the COLA increase, health benefits & defined benefit retirement accounts.

In the real world the cost of living has nothing to do with pay. When cost go up, profit & pay go down. Raises are based on production & merit, not just passing time. When health insurance climbs, your pay check gets smaller & you lose benefits. When the company or market tanks, so does your retirement.
The main reason the military gets those things (COLA, health benefits and retirement) is because they don't get paid that much when compared to their counterparts in the civilian community.

Why would you want to deny those things to the military?
 

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I'm in a briefing that says 25% of my pay will be gone because of Sequester.

Obama has all of his expenses paid for yet he thinks taking a 5% pay cut will make us happy.

Bullshit!!!!!!

They're telling us to cut out the TV, Cell-Phones, put our Debit card in a bucket of water.

Great advice. Good times.



I've been told all of my deductions will remain in effect yet they will cut 25% of my takehome pay.

If Obama and his fucken family can keep having parties he can afford to pay us.
Symbolism. Zoom. Over your head. He fucking volunteered to cut his own pay.
Blame the sequester on the fucking Republicans, holding the budget hostage, and insisting that social programs be cut, even more, while preserving tax cuts for the rich. What kind of freaking logic is that?
I give a good goddamn about whomever, "cutting your pay". You give a good goddamn about children and the elderly, who will suffer because of sequestration.

President Obama (and his family) are entitled to "parties", as every white president before him (and their families) were entitled to parties, that went on, despite the economic outlook of the country. And vacations. And state dinners. And retreats to Camp David. And golf. And doing the fuck whatever they please. It comes with the office. Get over it.
So you think this is about race. Color me not surprised.
 

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Really? After all of your racist rhetoric, you expect me to comply with your demand?
You have life "fucked up". I said it. I'm here to represent it...You find where I have ever lied, is what you do.
Come on really? I bet you can't come up with any "racist rhetoric" from me. Because I really despise racism. It's very core is ignorance, yet you seem to think if I disagree with you or a President, that it is because I'm racist.

Accusing me of "racist rhetoric", is a lie and you know it. There have been many threads where racists have spouted off and I put them in their place, I did it yesterday, and in one thread you were in, racists jumped in and i went after them, yet you now pull this bullshit? I really don't care what color your skin is, this game you play is fucked up.

Racism is a divisive tool and when assholes like you play the racist game to divide and to avoid debate, it pisses me off. You are dishonest in your tactics.

If you can't back up your accusations, fine, be a man and admit it. Don't play fucking games, like calling me or anyone else a racist, that's chicken shit and you know it.
Listen. I consider myself to be a reasonable and stable person. The fact that I don't like you, stems from you actually not being in disagreement with me (which is innocuous, as I would never expect everyone to agree with me), but being obnoxious or insulting. I'm not going to go back through the thousands of posts to find out when that occurred, but suffice to say, that most "righties" have the race card "at the ready" and will play it, at the drop of a penny. That you would come to muddie's defense, only cements what I presume....you're of the same ilk, and thus, an adversary. And I don't play...not with you types.
You are the one who brought race into it.
 

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Mud, are you where you can retire?
 
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Not really since it was Obama's idea and the rightwingers wanted to cut entitlements not wages.

If you can't understand the difference then why don't you go back to the rock you just crawled out from under.
Anyone with health care who understands that medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy understands that without "entitlements" like health care, your wages would be, well, nothing.

Don't get mad at me. You're the one who appears extremely stupid. Perhaps go back to school and learn a skill besides "hate Obama"?
So, if we take care of health care, what will be the number one reason for bankruptcy? People are going to have to live with less, health care is not free. We are going through tough times, my health care will go up in cost. Why? Because the policy I chose through my employer is going away. It was a simple catastrophic plan. Did cost me anything and covered me for the worst scenarios. Now, I am going to have to pay and my employer is going to have to pay for something, I really don't need. So, I'll make less money, my employer will payout more money. I'm not seeing the logic of Obamacare.
So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.
 

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He always seems to, many liberal racists tend to work this way.
 

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Anyone with health care who understands that medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy understands that without "entitlements" like health care, your wages would be, well, nothing.

Don't get mad at me. You're the one who appears extremely stupid. Perhaps go back to school and learn a skill besides "hate Obama"?
So, if we take care of health care, what will be the number one reason for bankruptcy? People are going to have to live with less, health care is not free. We are going through tough times, my health care will go up in cost. Why? Because the policy I chose through my employer is going away. It was a simple catastrophic plan. Did cost me anything and covered me for the worst scenarios. Now, I am going to have to pay and my employer is going to have to pay for something, I really don't need. So, I'll make less money, my employer will payout more money. I'm not seeing the logic of Obamacare.
So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.

Y O U have a job?
 
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So, if we take care of health care, what will be the number one reason for bankruptcy? People are going to have to live with less, health care is not free. We are going through tough times, my health care will go up in cost. Why? Because the policy I chose through my employer is going away. It was a simple catastrophic plan. Did cost me anything and covered me for the worst scenarios. Now, I am going to have to pay and my employer is going to have to pay for something, I really don't need. So, I'll make less money, my employer will payout more money. I'm not seeing the logic of Obamacare.
So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.

Y O U have a job?
I went to school on the GI bill, studied engineering and am a Sr. Design engineer. Hopefully, I won't lose my job. Fortunately, when I started school around 30 years old, computers were just coming into the work place. When I moved from assembly to engineering, I worked on a 386SX with a 17 inch monitor and AutoCAD version 2.5 in Dr. Dos. And get this. The engineering boss at the time, a staunch Republican, felt computers were a "fad" and they wouldn't last. In fact, it was him that didn't "last".

DR-DOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now I use Inventor 2013 with Computational Fluid Dynamics and Lightwave and Carrara for renderings and animation on a 6 core Dell workstation. Not only do I do equipment design, but I also do all the photorealistic renderings for the marketing department.

After the Bush recession, the entire company took a 10% pay cut. But after going through a re-organization process, it seems to be doing much better.

That's about as detailed as I can get.

You can see why I criticize Republicans for saying education is for snobs or it's all "liberal" and unneeded. If I listened to such ridiculous fucking nonsense, I would still be out on the assembly line.
 

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So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.

Y O U have a job?
I went to school on the GI bill, studied engineering and am a Sr. Design engineer. Hopefully, I won't lose my job. Fortunately, when I started school around 30 years old, computers were just coming into the work place. When I moved from assembly to engineering, I worked on a 386SX with a 17 inch monitor and AutoCAD version 2.5 in Dr. Dos. And get this. The engineering boss at the time, a staunch Republican, felt computers were a "fad" and they wouldn't last. In fact, it was him that didn't "last".

DR-DOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now I use Inventor 2013 with Computational Fluid Dynamics and Lightwave and Carrara for renderings and animation on a 6 core Dell workstation. Not only do I do equipment design, but I also do all the photorealistic renderings for the marketing department.

After the Bush recession, the entire company took a 10% pay cut. But after going through a re-organization process, it seems to be doing much better.

That's about as detailed as I can get.

You can see why I criticize Republicans for saying education is for snobs or it's all "liberal" and unneeded. If I listened to such ridiculous fucking nonsense, I would still be out on the assembly line.
What have you been smoking? I've never seen a single post on a forum by a republican claiming education is for snobs.
 
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Y O U have a job?
I went to school on the GI bill, studied engineering and am a Sr. Design engineer. Hopefully, I won't lose my job. Fortunately, when I started school around 30 years old, computers were just coming into the work place. When I moved from assembly to engineering, I worked on a 386SX with a 17 inch monitor and AutoCAD version 2.5 in Dr. Dos. And get this. The engineering boss at the time, a staunch Republican, felt computers were a "fad" and they wouldn't last. In fact, it was him that didn't "last".

DR-DOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now I use Inventor 2013 with Computational Fluid Dynamics and Lightwave and Carrara for renderings and animation on a 6 core Dell workstation. Not only do I do equipment design, but I also do all the photorealistic renderings for the marketing department.

After the Bush recession, the entire company took a 10% pay cut. But after going through a re-organization process, it seems to be doing much better.

That's about as detailed as I can get.

You can see why I criticize Republicans for saying education is for snobs or it's all "liberal" and unneeded. If I listened to such ridiculous fucking nonsense, I would still be out on the assembly line.
What have you been smoking? I've never seen a single post on a forum by a republican claiming education is for snobs.

Apparently, you don't get out much.

Even right wingers on this site have said college is too liberal. There have been right wingers saying they write computer code and learned it all on their own and other such nonsense.

THE Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum recently called President Obama a “snob” for supporting higher education for all Americans. “There are good, decent men and women,” he said, “who go out and work hard every day and put their skills to test that aren’t taught by some liberal college professor trying to indoctrinate them.” He also called colleges and universities “indoctrination mills” for godless liberalism.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/opinion/sunday/college-doesnt-make-you-liberal.html

The Terrifying Texas GOP Platform - Forbes

The document has already made headlines with the portion that opposes the “teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills” and “critical thinking skills.”

it is difficult to believe that what the Republicans put together during their convention in Fort Worth was even written in the 21st century.

“Since data is (sic) clear that additional money does not translate into educational achievement, and higher education costs are out of control, we support reducing taxpayer funding to all levels of education institutions”

About the Party :: TexasGOP - Republican Party of Texas

I assume you have Google? USE IT. Know what your party stands for.

 
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Have you noticed some Republicans saying just because I vote for Rick Santorum or Mitt Romney doesn't mean I agree with them? The obvious question is, "Then why vote for them?" And the answer is, "Because I hate Obama". Then they go off with, "He's a socialist/communist/fascist/Marxist/Kenyan/Mau Mau/uppity/.....and it goes on and on".
 

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Anyone with health care who understands that medical bills are the number one cause of bankruptcy understands that without "entitlements" like health care, your wages would be, well, nothing.

Don't get mad at me. You're the one who appears extremely stupid. Perhaps go back to school and learn a skill besides "hate Obama"?
So, if we take care of health care, what will be the number one reason for bankruptcy? People are going to have to live with less, health care is not free. We are going through tough times, my health care will go up in cost. Why? Because the policy I chose through my employer is going away. It was a simple catastrophic plan. Did cost me anything and covered me for the worst scenarios. Now, I am going to have to pay and my employer is going to have to pay for something, I really don't need. So, I'll make less money, my employer will payout more money. I'm not seeing the logic of Obamacare.
So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.
At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
 

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I'm in a briefing that says 25% of my pay will be gone because of Sequester.

Obama has all of his expenses paid for yet he thinks taking a 5% pay cut will make us happy.

Bullshit!!!!!!

They're telling us to cut out the TV, Cell-Phones, put our Debit card in a bucket of water.

Great advice. Good times.



I've been told all of my deductions will remain in effect yet they will cut 25% of my takehome pay.

If Obama and his fucken family can keep having parties he can afford to pay us.
Symbolism. Zoom. Over your head. He fucking volunteered to cut his own pay.
Blame the sequester on the fucking Republicans, holding the budget hostage, and insisting that social programs be cut, even more, while preserving tax cuts for the rich. What kind of freaking logic is that?
I give a good goddamn about whomever, "cutting your pay". You give a good goddamn about children and the elderly, who will suffer because of sequestration.

President Obama (and his family) are entitled to "parties", as every white president before him (and their families) were entitled to parties, that went on, despite the economic outlook of the country. And vacations. And state dinners. And retreats to Camp David. And golf. And doing the fuck whatever they please. It comes with the office. Get over it.
So you think this is about race. Color me not surprised.
Most everything is, as your side has shown.
 

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Come on really? I bet you can't come up with any "racist rhetoric" from me. Because I really despise racism. It's very core is ignorance, yet you seem to think if I disagree with you or a President, that it is because I'm racist.

Accusing me of "racist rhetoric", is a lie and you know it. There have been many threads where racists have spouted off and I put them in their place, I did it yesterday, and in one thread you were in, racists jumped in and i went after them, yet you now pull this bullshit? I really don't care what color your skin is, this game you play is fucked up.

Racism is a divisive tool and when assholes like you play the racist game to divide and to avoid debate, it pisses me off. You are dishonest in your tactics.

If you can't back up your accusations, fine, be a man and admit it. Don't play fucking games, like calling me or anyone else a racist, that's chicken shit and you know it.
Listen. I consider myself to be a reasonable and stable person. The fact that I don't like you, stems from you actually not being in disagreement with me (which is innocuous, as I would never expect everyone to agree with me), but being obnoxious or insulting. I'm not going to go back through the thousands of posts to find out when that occurred, but suffice to say, that most "righties" have the race card "at the ready" and will play it, at the drop of a penny. That you would come to muddie's defense, only cements what I presume....you're of the same ilk, and thus, an adversary. And I don't play...not with you types.
You are the one who brought race into it.
No, darling.....when you (meaning you whites) went over and brought back the first Africans, "as slaves", you brought "race" into it. And because you can't let go your racism, hate and bigotry, you continually "bring race into it". You can't help yourself out of the quandary of your own making.
What I did (and am doing) is pointing that particular fact out, continuously, leaving an "open wound". My mission is to "pour salt". Salt being a purifier, and a ward against evil.
 

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Y O U have a job?
I went to school on the GI bill, studied engineering and am a Sr. Design engineer. Hopefully, I won't lose my job. Fortunately, when I started school around 30 years old, computers were just coming into the work place. When I moved from assembly to engineering, I worked on a 386SX with a 17 inch monitor and AutoCAD version 2.5 in Dr. Dos. And get this. The engineering boss at the time, a staunch Republican, felt computers were a "fad" and they wouldn't last. In fact, it was him that didn't "last".

DR-DOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now I use Inventor 2013 with Computational Fluid Dynamics and Lightwave and Carrara for renderings and animation on a 6 core Dell workstation. Not only do I do equipment design, but I also do all the photorealistic renderings for the marketing department.

After the Bush recession, the entire company took a 10% pay cut. But after going through a re-organization process, it seems to be doing much better.

That's about as detailed as I can get.

You can see why I criticize Republicans for saying education is for snobs or it's all "liberal" and unneeded. If I listened to such ridiculous fucking nonsense, I would still be out on the assembly line.
What have you been smoking? I've never seen a single post on a forum by a republican claiming education is for snobs.
You're not very bright, are you?
http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20120923/OPINION10/309200007/Republicans-cut-education-funding
 
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So, if we take care of health care, what will be the number one reason for bankruptcy? People are going to have to live with less, health care is not free. We are going through tough times, my health care will go up in cost. Why? Because the policy I chose through my employer is going away. It was a simple catastrophic plan. Did cost me anything and covered me for the worst scenarios. Now, I am going to have to pay and my employer is going to have to pay for something, I really don't need. So, I'll make less money, my employer will payout more money. I'm not seeing the logic of Obamacare.
So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.
At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
 

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This thread does illustrate the hilarity and irony that is inherent in so many "small government" conservatives that work for the government.

Don't worry guys. There is always the private sector. Get out there and ride that invisible hand of the free market! Free yourself of the shackles of being dependent on big government!
 
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This thread does illustrate the hilarity and irony that is inherent in so many "small government" conservatives that work for the government.

Don't worry guys. There is always the private sector. Get out there and ride that invisible hand of the free market! Free yourself of the shackles of being dependent on big government!
They never say we want a government that works. Instead, they want to shrink it so small they could drown it in a bathtub per Grover Norquist.
 

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So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.
At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
We didn't want one auto company to fail, because of the effect it would have on the economy. Now, what would of the effect been by collapsing an entire industry? So, profits aside, it would have taken a fragile economy and tanked it. So, adding to unemployment, would that have been for the good of the average American? Say what you want, you can blame who or what you want, but if you don't think things through, you can really fuck it up.
 

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