Obama Thinks A 5% Pay Cut Is Enough. My Pay Is Getting Cut 25%

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So tell your employer you don't want health care. Where I work, they have one level of health care so cheap, it's like having nothing at all.

I really don't understand any right winger complaining about jobs. They say government can't make jobs. They tried to put into office a man who was moving one of his companies to China the very month of the election and it was a company doing very well. But he could make a lot more paying people $15 or so a day with no benefits. I thought Republicans were really proud of such greed. Whaaaat? It's only good unless it affects you? Well that's not fair. It's either good or it isn't.
At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
 
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At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
Hope, you are doing better, a week, yuk, I would hate that.

So, what is the actual cost for running a hospital? Some of the new equipment is in the millions.

I don't even blame the doctors for prescribing "unnecessary" tests. It's usually called covering your ass, because if the doctor makes a mistake and loses a patient, he can get sued. It's a fine line.

I'm no expert in healthcare and I have never operated a hospital or ran an insurance company, so I'm not sure what you are saying as anyone that is on the take or not.

I do know that insurance companies contributed heavily to Obama and Democrats. So, who really is on the take? I honestly think it is politicians, and their party is not the issue. Business and politicians seem to be linked.
 
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At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
A few weeks ago I had surgery and missed a week of work. There was a broken bone deep inside my sinus cavity that an x-ray missed and was discovered by a CT scan by a specialist. I had been having headaches for a couple of years but that wasn't the only symptom.

The bone created a blockage. My sinus cavities over my eyes filled with a thickened mucus and slowly drained from the pressure. During the night, it seeped into my lungs. Over the last few years I had pneumonia a couple of time, bronchitis and sinusitis. My doctor treated the symptoms one at a time until only the headaches were left and that was when he sent me to a specialist.

They aren't miracle workers. They are more like technicians. Finding problems one at a time until they get to the root problem. Considering the complexity of the problem and the length of time it took to find it, I would never "debate" someone with that much education and experience.

However, whether or not to have the surgery was left up to me after the risks were explained. 1 in 200,000 chance of brain damage or blindness among others. I elected to have the surgery. So far, the cost has been over 20 grand. Since my sinus cavity is still healing, it seems worth it, but there are still a few blood clots and some stuffiness. They said it will take at least two or three months to heal 100%. The headaches have completely stopped.
 

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Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
A few weeks ago I had surgery and missed a week of work. There was a broken bone deep inside my sinus cavity that an x-ray missed and was discovered by a CT scan by a specialist. I had been having headaches for a couple of years but that wasn't the only symptom.

The bone created a blockage. My sinus cavities over my eyes filled with a thickened mucus and slowly drained from the pressure. During the night, it seeped into my lungs. Over the last few years I had pneumonia a couple of time, bronchitis and sinusitis. My doctor treated the symptoms one at a time until only the headaches were left and that was when he sent me to a specialist.

They aren't miracle workers. They are more like technicians. Finding problems one at a time until they get to the root problem. Considering the complexity of the problem and the length of time it took to find it, I would never "debate" someone with that much education and experience.

However, whether or not to have the surgery was left up to me after the risks were explained. 1 in 200,000 chance of brain damage or blindness among others. I elected to have the surgery. So far, the cost has been over 20 grand. Since my sinus cavity is still healing, it seems worth it, but there are still a few blood clots and some stuffiness. They said it will take at least two or three months to heal 100%. The headaches have completely stopped.
That's why I can't complain about the costs, but it came down to your choice. I worry that may go away.

Hope you heal fast and safely.
 
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At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
We didn't want one auto company to fail, because of the effect it would have on the economy. Now, what would of the effect been by collapsing an entire industry? So, profits aside, it would have taken a fragile economy and tanked it. So, adding to unemployment, would that have been for the good of the average American? Say what you want, you can blame who or what you want, but if you don't think things through, you can really fuck it up.
Auto manufacturing "makes things". Then you have all the raw material touching every industry from steel to plastics to textiles. And all the service in between.

Health care companies don't make anything. They skim profits off insurance policies. How many policies does it take to pay a single CEO salary making tens of millions? How many insurance policies do you skim to pay for multiple corporate jets?

I think the damage would be way less than you imagine.
 

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Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
Hope, you are doing better, a week, yuk, I would hate that.

So, what is the actual cost for running a hospital? Some of the new equipment is in the millions.

I don't even blame the doctors for prescribing "unnecessary" tests. It's usually called covering your ass, because if the doctor makes a mistake and loses a patient, he can get sued. It's a fine line.

I'm no expert in healthcare and I have never operated a hospital or ran an insurance company, so I'm not sure what you are saying as anyone that is on the take or not.

I do know that insurance companies contributed heavily to Obama and Democrats. So, who really is on the take? I honestly think it is politicians, and their party is not the issue. Business and politicians seem to be linked.
Well, I am an expert in healthcare, having worked for a provider for 15 years, and an insurance biller for more than 2 years. But don't take my word for it. I suspect you don't know that much about your field, either.
 
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Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
A few weeks ago I had surgery and missed a week of work. There was a broken bone deep inside my sinus cavity that an x-ray missed and was discovered by a CT scan by a specialist. I had been having headaches for a couple of years but that wasn't the only symptom.

The bone created a blockage. My sinus cavities over my eyes filled with a thickened mucus and slowly drained from the pressure. During the night, it seeped into my lungs. Over the last few years I had pneumonia a couple of time, bronchitis and sinusitis. My doctor treated the symptoms one at a time until only the headaches were left and that was when he sent me to a specialist.

They aren't miracle workers. They are more like technicians. Finding problems one at a time until they get to the root problem. Considering the complexity of the problem and the length of time it took to find it, I would never "debate" someone with that much education and experience.

However, whether or not to have the surgery was left up to me after the risks were explained. 1 in 200,000 chance of brain damage or blindness among others. I elected to have the surgery. So far, the cost has been over 20 grand. Since my sinus cavity is still healing, it seems worth it, but there are still a few blood clots and some stuffiness. They said it will take at least two or three months to heal 100%. The headaches have completely stopped.
That's why I can't complain about the costs, but it came down to your choice. I worry that may go away.

Hope you heal fast and safely.
Seems to be going pretty good. Can breathe much easier and only had a few small blood clots this morning.

I've found that you have more choice the more you pay. At this point in my life, I only have to pay for myself, so I have premium insurance. But co-workers with small children are terrified that one of their kids or one of them gets seriously ill. They know they would go bankrupt.
 

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At the end of this year, that option goes away. Employers are going to be required to pay 60% of an employees medical cost, they will also be required to pay a minimum coverage. How the 60% breaks down, it is up for interpretation.

My company estimates another $1-$2 an hour more for each employee, about 100 employees. Say an added $1 per for everyone, an added $800 per day, $4000 a week $204,000 a year. Say the average worker gets $50,000 per year, that is four jobs, either not hired or cut, to save. That or raise prices in a competitive market where the average profit margin is 7%.

I'm not for moving companies overseas, but I'm worried we will take a hit in 2014 and the economy will be crippled worse than now.
Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.

Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a doctor who has to order it, pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unaware of any of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders. Maybe we will get lucky and you won't be here griping about it, shithead.
 
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Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.

Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unawre of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders and maybe you won't be here griping about it.
Pardon me, but please talk about things you know. The CT scan was to determine whether or not I had pneumonia. Drug costs are inflated because the drug companies hike the price. I have worked in healthcare for almost 20 years, and know more than you, sweetheart. Now, you could give me insight on "hookin', though.
 

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Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.

Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unawre of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders and maybe you won't be here griping about it.
Pardon me, but please talk about things you know. The CT scan was to determine whether or not I had pneumonia. Drug costs are inflated because the drug companies hike the price. I have worked in healthcare for almost 20 years, and know more than you, sweetheart. Now, you could give me insight on "hookin', though.
Yeah right. You know more than I do. LMAO. Since when does the janitor know more than the NP? LMAO you are such a loquacious little prick. Next time take your own damn ibuprofen. And diagnose your own 'anemia'. Fool.
 
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"Poet" is like the guy in the circus who goes around behind the elephants scooping up their shit. Someone asks him why he doesn't get a better job and he replies "What? And leave show business?"
 

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Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.

Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a doctor who has to order it, pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unaware of any of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders. Maybe we will get lucky and you won't be here griping about it, shithead.
I agree with the sentiments, but a CT scan won't show a GI bleed. It would be nice if it did. However, it can show a lot of other stuff that is on the differential.

Nothing is more irritating than patients that present with a complaint and then interfere with your work up. Good thing the CT scan was negative here (assumedly), if it was positive - I am sure it would be viewed as money well spent. If I had the ability to know what a CT scan would show prior to ordering it, I wouldn't be wasting my time in residency right now.

Also annoying: patients who think we get some sort of miraculous kickback for ordering extra tests and giving extra drugs.
 

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Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.

Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a doctor who has to order it, pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unaware of any of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders. Maybe we will get lucky and you won't be here griping about it, shithead.
I agree with the sentiments, but a CT scan won't show a GI bleed. It would be nice if it did. However, it can show a lot of other stuff that is on the differential.

Nothing is more irritating than patients that present with a complaint and then interfere with your work up. Good thing the CT scan was negative here (assumedly), if it was positive - I am sure it would be viewed as money well spent. If I had the ability to know what a CT scan would show prior to ordering it, I wouldn't be wasting my time in residency right now.

Also annoying: patients who think we get some sort of miraculous kickback for ordering extra tests and giving extra drugs.
LOL. My bad. You have to remember I work in Psychiatry. I order many CT scans. There are so many in the age group I work with who have early stage dementia. It is not always apparent, though. When I have treated for depression and/or anxiety for a period of time and find it to be intractable, I know something else is playing. So I get that CT scan. Usually there is some cerebral atrophy indicating that the person has an early stage dementia. If acetylcholine inhibitors are going to help you have to catch it early, and this is the only way. The normal CT in my clinic is rare. I also get a lot of referrals from primary care for things like visual hallucinations. Those generally indicate organicity and not psychosis. So they get the CT workup as well.

Also, because hospitals buy meds in quantity, they are often discounted by pharma. The way you order the med can save money as well. Ordering 1/2 of a larger dose pill can actually cut the cost in half.
 
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Of course we could have had a single payer. But Republicans care about health care company profits over the good of the average American. They can deny it, but it's fucked up when they say one thing and their policies say the exact opposite.
We didn't want one auto company to fail, because of the effect it would have on the economy. Now, what would of the effect been by collapsing an entire industry? So, profits aside, it would have taken a fragile economy and tanked it. So, adding to unemployment, would that have been for the good of the average American? Say what you want, you can blame who or what you want, but if you don't think things through, you can really fuck it up.
Auto manufacturing "makes things". Then you have all the raw material touching every industry from steel to plastics to textiles. And all the service in between.

Health care companies don't make anything. They skim profits off insurance policies. How many policies does it take to pay a single CEO salary making tens of millions? How many insurance policies do you skim to pay for multiple corporate jets?

I think the damage would be way less than you imagine.
They provided you with care and tests, with machines and R&D, that is billions right there. Would a single payer spur such innovation, especially with a likelihood of small or no return on investment?
 

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Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
Hope, you are doing better, a week, yuk, I would hate that.

So, what is the actual cost for running a hospital? Some of the new equipment is in the millions.

I don't even blame the doctors for prescribing "unnecessary" tests. It's usually called covering your ass, because if the doctor makes a mistake and loses a patient, he can get sued. It's a fine line.

I'm no expert in healthcare and I have never operated a hospital or ran an insurance company, so I'm not sure what you are saying as anyone that is on the take or not.

I do know that insurance companies contributed heavily to Obama and Democrats. So, who really is on the take? I honestly think it is politicians, and their party is not the issue. Business and politicians seem to be linked.
Well, I am an expert in healthcare, having worked for a provider for 15 years, and an insurance biller for more than 2 years. But don't take my word for it. I suspect you don't know that much about your field, either.
I know what I know about my field, however it is constantly changing and is tough to keep up with, however I do my best, make sure my company complies with the ever changing laws and complexities of the business.

At least you admit to not knowing much, I appreciate that.
 

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Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.

Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a doctor who has to order it, pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unaware of any of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders. Maybe we will get lucky and you won't be here griping about it, shithead.
I agree with the sentiments, but a CT scan won't show a GI bleed. It would be nice if it did. However, it can show a lot of other stuff that is on the differential.

Nothing is more irritating than patients that present with a complaint and then interfere with your work up. Good thing the CT scan was negative here (assumedly), if it was positive - I am sure it would be viewed as money well spent. If I had the ability to know what a CT scan would show prior to ordering it, I wouldn't be wasting my time in residency right now.

Also annoying: patients who think we get some sort of miraculous kickback for ordering extra tests and giving extra drugs.
Poet says you do, and he claims he is an expert. I doubt he can prove any of it, but he will still spout off.
 

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Ibuprofen in the hospital costs $2 because there is a doctor who has to order it, pharmacist who has to dispense it, a pneumatic tube system that has to bring it to the unit, a nurse who has to give it, a clerk who has to do the paperwork, and a little paper cup to give it in to keep it clean. But dead heads like you are completely unaware of any of this.

The CT scan was to see if you had a GI bleed causing you to be anemic, something a regular X-ray would not show. DUH! Next time you give the orders. Maybe we will get lucky and you won't be here griping about it, shithead.
I agree with the sentiments, but a CT scan won't show a GI bleed. It would be nice if it did. However, it can show a lot of other stuff that is on the differential.

Nothing is more irritating than patients that present with a complaint and then interfere with your work up. Good thing the CT scan was negative here (assumedly), if it was positive - I am sure it would be viewed as money well spent. If I had the ability to know what a CT scan would show prior to ordering it, I wouldn't be wasting my time in residency right now.

Also annoying: patients who think we get some sort of miraculous kickback for ordering extra tests and giving extra drugs.
Poet says you do, and he claims he is an expert. I doubt he can prove any of it, but he will still spout off.
I care. A lot.

At any rate, I am used to people over inflating their experiences/resumes and trying to play doctor. Usually it's people who are ancillary figures in delivering healthcare that do it the worst as they have just enough health literacy to be dangerous. Most people are at least nice about it though.

I am always amused at what people claim as expertise. Needless to say, I have a degree and am one year into residency and don't consider myself an expert on anything. No one else does as well. To be an "expert" in healthcare, you need to have an opinion that people actually value. That means you need to CV to back up your words. 17 years of OTJ training doesn't qualify as any degree of expertise IMO.

At any rate, the way I see it is someone went into the hospital sick and came out five days later well enough to be able to bitch about it on the internet. All for less than the cost of a new car.

I'd be doing cheetah flips.

But, unfortunately, you also become used to dealing with people with unreasonable expectations in this field.
 

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Last month, just had a week's stint in the hospital for anemia. Bill was $24,000. The hospital hiked charges on everything. Drs. visited (and charged) everyday. A bottle of Ibuprofen costs, over the counter, perhaps $2/per 30 pills. A single Ibuprofen, in the hospital costs $2. Why?
Why did they order a CT Scan, which cost $2200, when a chest X-ray ( at $50)would have sufficed? Because doctors and providers (hospitals) are "on the take" and complicit in driving up healthcare costs, by prescribing unnecessary tests and procedures. Obamacare and Medicare work toward paying the actual costs of procedures, testing and hospital stays...but that all works against the drug, insurance and provider industries, which are all too willing to give kickbacks and perks to legislators (more often than not, Republicans) who side with them against the consumer patients.
Hope, you are doing better, a week, yuk, I would hate that.

So, what is the actual cost for running a hospital? Some of the new equipment is in the millions.

I don't even blame the doctors for prescribing "unnecessary" tests. It's usually called covering your ass, because if the doctor makes a mistake and loses a patient, he can get sued. It's a fine line.

I'm no expert in healthcare and I have never operated a hospital or ran an insurance company, so I'm not sure what you are saying as anyone that is on the take or not.

I do know that insurance companies contributed heavily to Obama and Democrats. So, who really is on the take? I honestly think it is politicians, and their party is not the issue. Business and politicians seem to be linked.
Well, I am an expert in healthcare, having worked for a provider for 15 years, and an insurance biller for more than 2 years. But don't take my word for it. I suspect you don't know that much about your field, either.
At least you admit you don't know anything about your field. Kudos!
 

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Hope, you are doing better, a week, yuk, I would hate that.

So, what is the actual cost for running a hospital? Some of the new equipment is in the millions.

I don't even blame the doctors for prescribing "unnecessary" tests. It's usually called covering your ass, because if the doctor makes a mistake and loses a patient, he can get sued. It's a fine line.

I'm no expert in healthcare and I have never operated a hospital or ran an insurance company, so I'm not sure what you are saying as anyone that is on the take or not.

I do know that insurance companies contributed heavily to Obama and Democrats. So, who really is on the take? I honestly think it is politicians, and their party is not the issue. Business and politicians seem to be linked.
Well, I am an expert in healthcare, having worked for a provider for 15 years, and an insurance biller for more than 2 years. But don't take my word for it. I suspect you don't know that much about your field, either.
I know what I know about my field, however it is constantly changing and is tough to keep up with, however I do my best, make sure my company complies with the ever changing laws and complexities of the business.

At least you admit to not knowing much, I appreciate that.
Where did I admit that? You're being intellectually dishonest...and therefore, not fit to be engaged. I held out the hope that you could respectfully disagree, but you're a typical troll...so, off to ignore with you too.
 

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Did I do that? Actually, I didn\'t. You\'re about as stupid as they come.

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