Obama Banning Bullets In ATF Regulation

[Iceweasel]

And anyone that knows the difference between the .223 and .556 knows that the .556 is hotter than the .223. You should not fire the .556 in civilian guns for any reason. The chamber pressure of the .556 exceeds the safe limits of the civilian gun. The same goes for the .308 and the 7.62. And God Forbid if you take 7.62 ammo off the belt of a M-60. While the round fits in your .308, the pressures sooner or later will blow your chamber out. Military Rounds are hotter and some are even hotter like the M-60 7.62 round or the belt fed .556 ammo.

Are you aware that they sell .556 ARs to civilians?

There's no sucj thing as .556 ammo or guns.

I meant 5.56.

 

[The Rabbi]

Since 1986, shooters have been barred from purchasing armor-piercing ammunition in handgun calibers, such as .44 magnum, 9mm and .357. Lawmakers tried to exempt rifle ammunition and restrict only armor-piercing ammo “designed to be fired from a handgun.” But the ATF says that given the popularity of shortened AR-15-style pistols, the 5.56 is now a handgun caliber. -
See more at: ATF Uses AR Pistols To Justify Ban On 5.56 Ammo 2015-02-16 Grand View Outdoors
study up IDIOTS !

Indeed - good advice that you should apply to yourself.
Under federal law, SS109 does not meet the definition of "armor piercing".

It does only because the definition of SS109 is armor piercing. Not body armor but a steel helmet. That was its purpose.

Do you know the definition of "armor piercing" under federal law?

Yup

• A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
  
• A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

And SS109 meets that definition.

 

[Siete]

And anyone that knows the difference between the .223 and .556 knows that the .556 is hotter than the .223. You should not fire the .556 in civilian guns for any reason. The chamber pressure of the .556 exceeds the safe limits of the civilian gun. The same goes for the .308 and the 7.62. And God Forbid if you take 7.62 ammo off the belt of a M-60. While the round fits in your .308, the pressures sooner or later will blow your chamber out. Military Rounds are hotter and some are even hotter like the M-60 7.62 round or the belt fed .556 ammo.

Are you aware that they sell .556 ARs to civilians?

There's no sucj thing as .556 ammo or guns.

no sucj thing


I agree !


LOL

 

[M14 Shooter]

Since 1986, shooters have been barred from purchasing armor-piercing ammunition in handgun calibers, such as .44 magnum, 9mm and .357. Lawmakers tried to exempt rifle ammunition and restrict only armor-piercing ammo “designed to be fired from a handgun.” But the ATF says that given the popularity of shortened AR-15-style pistols, the 5.56 is now a handgun caliber. -
See more at: ATF Uses AR Pistols To Justify Ban On 5.56 Ammo 2015-02-16 Grand View Outdoors
study up IDIOTS !

Indeed - good advice that you should apply to yourself.
Under federal law, SS109 does not meet the definition of "armor piercing".

It does only because the definition of SS109 is armor piercing. Not body armor but a steel helmet. That was its purpose.

Do you know the definition of "armor piercing" under federal law?

Yup

• A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
  
• A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

And SS109 meets that definition.

Really?
How?

 

[Siete]

SS 109 Greentip/ Kevlar ....
who gives a shit about armored tanks, ask a COP if he or she wants to be the catcher of a round bad guys like ..

You speak from ignorance; 5.56 ball ammo will defeat typical police-issue body armor every bit as well as SS109.

there are several rounds that penetrate police body protecting vests, the 5.56 was added to the list for consistency.

You don't understand.
Banning SS109 - but not 5.56x45 or .223 - because of its ability to defeat a police-issue vest is a meaningless standard.

I understand its banned for pistols and not for rifles.

No, you don't.

ATF Uses AR Pistols To Justify Ban On 5.56 Ammo 2015-02-16 Grand View Outdoors

 

[M14 Shooter]

You speak from ignorance; 5.56 ball ammo will defeat typical police-issue body armor every bit as well as SS109.

there are several rounds that penetrate police body protecting vests, the 5.56 was added to the list for consistency.

You don't understand.
Banning SS109 - but not 5.56x45 or .223 - because of its ability to defeat a police-issue vest is a meaningless standard.

I understand its banned for pistols and not for rifles.

No, you don't.

ATF Uses AR Pistols To Justify Ban On 5.56 Ammo 2015-02-16 Grand View Outdoors

Um...
This bans the ammo, period - not just for handguns.
Never mind that, under federal law, SS109 is not AP.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

It looks like the current administration is back to its old tricks of seeking backdoor gun control that will only affect law abiding gun owners. The ATF is apparently in the process of attempting to ban a popular type of 5.56mm round that is popular with AR-15 owners. Based on new proposed regulations, the ATF is essentially seeking a ban on the popular M855 round (aka “green tip”). The NRA-ILA weighed in on the measure:

Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.


By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”.

Obama to ban green tip 5.56 ammo

Anyone who has spent time in the military and has been issued this ammo knows it has no armor piercing capabilities. That won't stop Obama from banning it or any other ammo he feels like banning in the future.

Not surprisingly you're completely ignoring the method to their madness. The "Green tip" rounds ARE in fact armor piercing. If you google green tip vs soft body armor you'll see all ya need to know to understand why they're being banned.

Level IV hard body armor plates must stop 1 round of

"

o .308 FMJ
o AK-47
o M-16 - M855 or SS-109, etc."

Since most police officers aren't using these 'max' plates but lesser versions of soft body armor, the reason for the ban is clear.

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

 

[The Rabbi]

Since 1986, shooters have been barred from purchasing armor-piercing ammunition in handgun calibers, such as .44 magnum, 9mm and .357. Lawmakers tried to exempt rifle ammunition and restrict only armor-piercing ammo “designed to be fired from a handgun.” But the ATF says that given the popularity of shortened AR-15-style pistols, the 5.56 is now a handgun caliber. -
See more at: ATF Uses AR Pistols To Justify Ban On 5.56 Ammo 2015-02-16 Grand View Outdoors
study up IDIOTS !

Indeed - good advice that you should apply to yourself.
Under federal law, SS109 does not meet the definition of "armor piercing".

It does only because the definition of SS109 is armor piercing. Not body armor but a steel helmet. That was its purpose.

Do you know the definition of "armor piercing" under federal law?

Yup

• A projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
  
• A full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

And SS109 meets that definition.

Really?
How?

Is it constructed from a combination of steel and copper? Yes.
Can it be used in a handgun? Yes.
Ergo it meets the definition and they will ban it.

 

[The Rabbi]

It looks like the current administration is back to its old tricks of seeking backdoor gun control that will only affect law abiding gun owners. The ATF is apparently in the process of attempting to ban a popular type of 5.56mm round that is popular with AR-15 owners. Based on new proposed regulations, the ATF is essentially seeking a ban on the popular M855 round (aka “green tip”). The NRA-ILA weighed in on the measure:

Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.


By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”.

Obama to ban green tip 5.56 ammo

Anyone who has spent time in the military and has been issued this ammo knows it has no armor piercing capabilities. That won't stop Obama from banning it or any other ammo he feels like banning in the future.

Not surprisingly you're completely ignoring the method to their madness. The "Green tip" rounds ARE in fact armor piercing. If you google green tip vs soft body armor you'll see all ya need to know to understand why they're being banned.

Level IV hard body armor plates must stop 1 round of

"

o .308 FMJ
o AK-47
o M-16 - M855 or SS-109, etc."

Since most police officers aren't using these 'max' plates but lesser versions of soft body armor, the reason for the ban is clear.

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

LOL!!! Cop killer rounds. Yeah, they whizz by civilians no problem.
Hint: standard 55gr FMJ 5.56 will penetrate MORE than the 62gr green tip. And no one is looking to ban that.

It's useless rule making. Its primary result will be to drive up 5.56 ammo prices as this reduces the supply available for resale.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Not surprisingly you're completely ignoring the method to their madness. The "Green tip" rounds ARE in fact armor piercing. If you google green tip vs soft body armor you'll see all ya need to know to understand why they're being banned.

-5.56 ball will defeat a standard police vest - soft body armor - every bit as well as SS109.
-Under federal law, SS109 does not meet the definition of armor piercing.
So.... no.

 

[Iceweasel]

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

Really? No bad guy has ever worn armor? My 5.56 magazine has armor piercing rounds for that reason. I don't think I'll need them for cops.

 

[M14 Shooter]

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

Really? No bad guy has ever worn armor? My 5.56 magazine has armor piercing rounds for that reason. I don't think I'll need them for cops.

Just use .30-06 FMJ.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

Really? No bad guy has ever worn armor? My 5.56 magazine has armor piercing rounds for that reason. I don't think I'll need them for cops.

You're not helping your side you realize. You just admitted you want them for people not hunting.

 

[mudwhistle]

It looks like the current administration is back to its old tricks of seeking backdoor gun control that will only affect law abiding gun owners. The ATF is apparently in the process of attempting to ban a popular type of 5.56mm round that is popular with AR-15 owners. Based on new proposed regulations, the ATF is essentially seeking a ban on the popular M855 round (aka “green tip”). The NRA-ILA weighed in on the measure:

Now, BATFE has released a “Framework for Determining Whether Certain Projectiles are ‘Primarily Intended for Sporting Purposes’ Within the Meaning of 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c)”, which would eliminate M855’s exemption to the armor piercing ammunition prohibition and make future exemptions nearly impossible.


By way of background, federal law imposed in 1986 prohibits the manufacture, importation, and sale by licensed manufacturers or importers, but not possession, of “a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely . . . from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium.” Because there are handguns capable of firing M855, it “may be used in a handgun.” It does not, however, have a core made of the metals listed in the law; rather, it has a traditional lead core with a steel tip, and therefore should never have been considered “armor piercing.” Nonetheless, BATFE previously declared M855 to be “armor piercing ammunition,” but granted it an exemption as a projectile “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”.

Obama to ban green tip 5.56 ammo

Anyone who has spent time in the military and has been issued this ammo knows it has no armor piercing capabilities. That won't stop Obama from banning it or any other ammo he feels like banning in the future.

Not surprisingly you're completely ignoring the method to their madness. The "Green tip" rounds ARE in fact armor piercing. If you google green tip vs soft body armor you'll see all ya need to know to understand why they're being banned.

Level IV hard body armor plates must stop 1 round of

"

o .308 FMJ
o AK-47
o M-16 - M855 or SS-109, etc."

Since most police officers aren't using these 'max' plates but lesser versions of soft body armor, the reason for the ban is clear.

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

Banning these bullets is just a starting point.

But like I pointed out before, Obozo hates cops, so this isn't about protecting cops.

 

[Iceweasel]

There's no animal in North America you need AP rounds for. They're cop-killer rounds pure and simple.

Really? No bad guy has ever worn armor? My 5.56 magazine has armor piercing rounds for that reason. I don't think I'll need them for cops.

You're not helping your side you realize. You just admitted you want them for people not hunting.

WTF? I go to Safeway. I don't hunt. ALL my guns are for humans. Except maybe the .44 mag, mostly for bear...but....

 

[M14 Shooter]

Is it constructed from a combination of steel and copper? Yes.

Is it constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium
constructed entirely of any of these metals?
No.
Not AP.

Can it be used in a handgun?

Is it larger than .22 and designed and intended for use in a handgun?
No.
Not AP.

Not AP.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

SS 109 Greentip/ Kevlar ....

who gives a shit about armored tanks, ask a COP if he or she wants to be the catcher of a round bad guys like ..

Pssssst.....any 5.56 ball ammo will make mince meat out of the majority of body armor.
Just dont tell obozo.

Commenting without having the slightest idea about the subject again I see. I'll bet you don't know why that particular shell is being banned when so many others used in an AR are not being bothered,

Shut up you little bitch. I put more rounds down range on a Saturday then you've shot in your pissant little life.
Jesus..how did we end up with faggots like you in Texas?
Get out ya fucken metrohomo!

 

[Delta4Embassy]

From ar15.com "Best Rounds for Self-Defense"

".223 While the M855-type ammunition generally meets performance requirements, there have been quite a few reports in inadequate fragmentation. Please remember that this is military ammo, and while the fragmenting properties are well documented and understood, there is no requirement for the bullet to fragment when being tested for acceptance. There can be significant variations in constructions which could make some lots perform much worse than others. For this reason, it is not on the list. While the M193-type ammo is not nearly as complicated of a design, it is also not inherently as devastating as the heavier OTMs listed below. Since this article is about the BEST choices for self-defense ammunition, it is omitted also."
Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

Wah wah Not even a "best choice for defense" round.

 

[The Rabbi]

Is it constructed from a combination of steel and copper? Yes.

Is it constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium
constructed entirely of any of these metals?
No.
Not AP.

Can it be used in a handgun?

Is it larger than .22 and designed and intended for use in a handgun?
No.
Not AP.

Not AP.

Is the core constructed of steel? Yes. It is AP.
Here is teh ATF's own proposal and analysis.
http://www.atf.gov/sites/default/fi..._primarily_intended_for_sporting_purposes.pdf

 

[The Rabbi]

From ar15.com "Best Rounds for Self-Defense"

".223 While the M855-type ammunition generally meets performance requirements, there have been quite a few reports in inadequate fragmentation. Please remember that this is military ammo, and while the fragmenting properties are well documented and understood, there is no requirement for the bullet to fragment when being tested for acceptance. There can be significant variations in constructions which could make some lots perform much worse than others. For this reason, it is not on the list. While the M193-type ammo is not nearly as complicated of a design, it is also not inherently as devastating as the heavier OTMs listed below. Since this article is about the BEST choices for self-defense ammunition, it is omitted also."
Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

Wah wah Not even a "best choice for defense" round.

It isnt. The ammo frankly sucks. It makes for good milsurp shooting ammo. Thats about it.