Obama's ATF to ban popular rifle ammunition

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The Democrats are at it again.

Their unconstitutional attempts to ban guns having failed, now they're trying to ban ammo instead.

They seem unable to take the hint.

They seem to be basing their scheme on one of their weaker lies: That the Constitution protecting U.S. citizens' right to keep and bear arms, doesn't extend to the ammo for those arms. They actually expect people to believe the Framers who wrote and ratified the Bill of Rights, would be OK with government banning ammo for the guns they protected.

How long will we let these silly people remain in office, with the power to impose laws on us?

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Obama to ban bullets by executive action threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle WashingtonExaminer.com

Obama to ban bullets by executive action, threatens top-selling AR-15 rifle

By Paul Bedard | February 26, 2015 | 11:41 am

It’s started.

As promised, President Obama is using executive actions to impose gun control on the nation, targeting the top-selling rifle in the country, the AR-15 style semi-automatic, with a ban on one of the most-used AR bullets by sportsmen and target shooters.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives this month revealed that it is putting the ban on 5.56mm ammo on a fast track, immediately driving up the price of the bullets and prompting retailers, including the huge outdoors company Cabela’s, to urge sportsmen to urge Congress to stop the president.

"The Obama administration was unable to ban America's most popular sporting rifle through the legislative process, so now it's trying to ban commonly owned and used ammunition through regulation," said Chris W. Cox, executive director of the NRA-ILA, the group's policy and lobby shop.

At issue is so-called “armor-piercing” ammunition, an exemption for those bullets mostly used for sport by AR-15 owners, and the recent popularity of pistol-style ARs that use the ammo.

The inexpensive 5.56 M885 ammo, commonly called green tips, have been exempt for years, as have higher caliber ammunition that also easily pierces the type of soft armor worn by police, because it’s mostly used by target shooters not criminals.

But now BATFE says that since the bullets can be used in semi-automatic handguns they pose a threat to police and must be banned from production, sale and use. But, as Goodlatte noted, offered no proof. Federal agencies will still be allowed to buy the ammo.

“This round is amongst the most commonly used in the most popular rifle design in America, the AR-15. Millions upon millions of M855 rounds have been sold and used in the U.S., yet ATF has not even alleged – much less offered evidence – that even one such round has ever been fired from a handgun at a police officer,” said Goodlatte’s letter.

Even some police don’t buy the administration’s claim. “Criminals aren't going to go out and buy a $1,000 AR pistol,” Brent Ball, owner of 417 Guns in Springfield, Mo. and a 17-year veteran police told the Springfield News-Leader. “As a police officer I'm not worried about AR pistols because you can see them. It's the small gun in a guy's hand you can't see that kills you.”
 

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The Rapist's attacks on 'Assault' weapons only made them more popular.

His idiotic ravings against 'hi-capacity' magazines also made them even more popular.

Now, I must admit, there are a LOT of people out there who own semi-automatic weapons with a LOT of killing power who shouldn't.

And whose fault is it? scum dimocraps, of course. As usual, dimocraps are so FUCKING stupid that every problem they try to solve, they fuck it up.

Seriously, everything from poverty to -- Just simply everything they touch.

The ban on this particular ammunition means nothing.

Nothing.

All it will do is compel more people who have NO CLUE what they're doing to acquire AP (armor piercing) ammunition when they just shouldn't have it.

Besides, a quick dip in liquid teflon and :dunno:

dimocraps are some stupid motherfuckers..... Period
 

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Ban ammo, squelch the internet, erect domestic rendition sites...........nah, we're not really going to end up there.
We're safe..........think I'll go watch NetFlix.
 
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Perhaps the Obama admin's ban on rifle ammunition is legal after all.

The 2nd amendment states:

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed if they can prove their weapons are for sporting purposes only."

Doesn't it?
 

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The SS109/M855 round is an armor piercing round. Armor piercing rounds have been banned since the Johnson Administration.

If you read the ATF determination, the 5.56 SS109/M855 armor piercing rounds were given an exemption to the ban on armor piercing rounds in 1986, before the AR-type rifles and handguns were commercially available.

Exemptions were allowed "if the Attorney General determined that the specific ammunition at issue is 'primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.'”

Since the AR-type rifles and handguns subsequently have become commercially available, the grounds for exempting the SS109/M855 rounds are no longer valid.
 

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The SS109/M855 round is an armor piercing round. Armor piercing rounds have been banned since the Johnson Administration.
For handguns.
If you read the ATF determination, the 5.56 SS109/M855 armor piercing rounds were given an exemption to the ban on armor piercing rounds in 1986, before the AR-15 was commercially available.
The AR-15 stye rifle was commercially available -well- before 1986
Exemptions were allowed if the Attorney General determined that the specific ammunition at issue is “primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.”
As this is.
Since the AR-15 subsequently has become commercially available, the grounds for exempting the SS109/M855 rounds are no longer valid.
This makes no sense.

Never mind that standard ball ammo will defeat a police vest every bit as readily as a "green tip".
 

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The battle will just move to debating whether or not M855 rounds are actually "armor piercing" rounds.
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Perhaps the Obama admin's ban on rifle ammunition is legal after all.

The 2nd amendment states:

"A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed if they can prove their weapons are for sporting purposes only."

Doesn't it?
You're a liar and ignorant of the law, well done.
 

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The SS109/M855 round is an armor piercing round. Armor piercing rounds have been banned since the Johnson Administration.
For handguns.
Correct.

If you read the ATF determination, the 5.56 SS109/M855 armor piercing rounds were given an exemption to the ban on armor piercing rounds in 1986, before the AR-15 was commercially available.
The AR-15 stye rifle was commercially available -well- before 1986
The handguns were not.

Never mind that standard ball ammo will defeat a police vest every bit as readily as a "green tip".
This is why I just said in my last post that the battle will move toward whether or not the M855 is actually an "armor piercing" round.
 

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Obama is banning ammo and censoring the internet via the ATF and the FCC (avoiding Congress), can you put 2 and 2 together?
Most of the American muppets are mesmerized by the dimple on Kim Kardishians ass. They'll enter bondage willingly.
 

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The SS109/M855 round is an armor piercing round. Armor piercing rounds have been banned since the Johnson Administration.

If you read the ATF determination, the 5.56 SS109/M855 armor piercing rounds were given an exemption to the ban on armor piercing rounds in 1986, before the AR-type rifles and handguns were commercially available.

Exemptions were allowed "if the Attorney General determined that the specific ammunition at issue is 'primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.'”

Since the AR-type rifles and handguns subsequently have become commercially available, the grounds for exempting the SS109/M855 rounds are no longer valid.
Uh...AR-type rifles were commercially available long before 1986. How old are you?

The issue that they are taking advantage of is that now there are actually HANDGUNS commercially available that are chambered for 5.56/.223. So it fits the political agenda of this administration to use that fact to twist the intent of the law to ban a popular rifle round, despite the fact that there is no evidence that those few handguns have been used in any sort of crime, let alone to shoot body-armor-clad police officers, not to mention that fact that ANY .223/5.56 round (and most center-fire rifle rounds in general) will penetrate the soft-armor typically worn by street cops.
 

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The battle will just move to debating whether or not M855 rounds are actually "armor piercing" rounds.
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Copper jacket, lead core, steel insert.
According to the law: Not AP
From the ATF determination to which I linked earlier:

Between 1986 and 2011, ATF received few exemption requests for armor piercing ammunition. In 1986, ATF exempted 5.56 mm (.223) SS109 and M855 “green tip” ammunition containing a steel core.

 

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