Non US citizens have a say! Why?

[AzogtheDefiler]

So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.

For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?

Tourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?

It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.

Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictable

Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?

Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.

Not certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...

You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.

Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green card

 

[Leo123]

What does that have to do with the 1790 census?

The census in 1790 was predicated on the Naturalization Act.

1790....Enumeration

"The six inquiries in 1790 called for the name of the head of the family and the number of persons in each household of the following descriptions:"

• "Free White males of 16 years and upward (to assess the country's industrial and military potential)"
• "Free White males under 16 years"
• "Free White females"
• "All other free persons"
• "Slaves"

In 1790 women didn't have a 'say'....Slaves didn't have a 'say'....According to you that's just fine. "All other free persons" were probably immigrants that also did not have a 'say.'

 

[Asclepias]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Ok, show us the wording from 1790, and subsequent census law where non citizens are counted for the purpose of representative apportionment.

Why dont you show us where it says only citizens are counted?

Because I'm not the one making the claim..

I didnt say you were making a claim. Did you quote me on accident?

 

[HappyJoy]

So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.

For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?

Tourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?

It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.

Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictable

Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?

Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.

Nope, not even a little.

A person coming into a place with intention to establish his domicil or permanent residence, and who in consequence actually remains there. Time is not so essential as the intent, executed by making or beginning an actual establishment, though it be abandoned in a longer, or shorter period.

Not all non residents come with the intention of establishing permanent residence here. Sorry.

You keep bringing up this intention of permanent residence. I don't know of anything in the Constitution that requires this.

 

[Leo123]

Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green card

Yes, and the best way to prove that is to get a green card, and work to become an American citizen.

 

[j-mac]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Ok, show us the wording from 1790, and subsequent census law where non citizens are counted for the purpose of representative apportionment.

Why dont you show us where it says only citizens are counted?

Because I'm not the one making the claim..

I didnt say you were making a claim. Did you quote me on accident?

No, I answered your question

 

[Lesh]

Define resident?

Someone who "resides".

 

[Asclepias]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Ok, show us the wording from 1790, and subsequent census law where non citizens are counted for the purpose of representative apportionment.

Why dont you show us where it says only citizens are counted?

Because I'm not the one making the claim..

I didnt say you were making a claim. Did you quote me on accident?

No, I answered your question

So where does it say in your answer or the constitution that only citizens are counted?

 

[HappyJoy]

Define resident?

Someone who "resides".

Can you use it in a sentence?

 

[WEATHER53]

Now non US citizens will be counted for apportioning congressional representatives. Amazing. Am I reading this correctly and how does no one have issues with this?

Executive Order on Ensuring a Lawful and Accurate Enumeration and Apportionment Pursuant to the Decennial Census | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Background. We have long guaranteed all of the Nation’s inhabitants representation in the House of Representatives. This tradition is foundational to...

www.whitehouse.gov

Because that's what the COTUS says

Constitution confers no constitutional benefits to non citizens. Laws protect them from assault and the like but there is Zero in constitution about, for example, non citizens much less illegals receiving welfare just becauseUS Citizens do

The Constitution protects everyone in the country from things like illegal search and seizure, fair trial, freedom to associate. You know...all that stuff you guys only care about when some idiot gets shot storming the capitol.

Those are laws that came to be created from the Constitution, it is the law that makes it “protective” and not the Constitution itself nor by itself.
What you libbies are trying to sell is that illegals and non citizens are afforded exactly the same “protections” as US citizens and that’s incorrect
For example, right from the US government, you must have a social security number or some other rare exception to obtain anFHA loan and many bank loans. You can’t get a VA loan unless you were in Military and met the criteria to receive your DD214.
Despite liberal feelings to make all who set foot on American soil the same as Citizens with all the protections and benefits thereof; it’s just not true

 

[lantern2814]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Don’t you ever think you can speak for me asshole. Your bullshit comparison means nothing to real Americans. Illegals are not citizens and have no say. Period. You are on record as a dumbass and a liar.

Just trying to figure out what your thesis is here, maestro...clearly not in the realm of history and likely not reality either.

Like an uneducated Obozo/Xiden shill knows anything about history. Reality is where we real Americans live. Not that libtard fantasy land you inhabit. Illegals have no say. Period. And compared to you my 3 year old is Einstein.

Your competency is declining with every word you type. You seem to think that our founders were completely wrong in how the census is counted...what makes you more knowledgeable?

See post 44 to have your fantasy crushed. I will never be less competent than a liar like you. I am far more knowledgeable than you’ll ever be. Not that that’s difficult

Since you are so knowledgeable, far more than I, tell us: what does post #44 have to do with the first census?

Now deflect. As usual.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

Who told you that? Show us in the constitution where it says this.

I don't think the COTUS says it, but it makes sense. Since the census determines the apportionment of Representatives who will be voted on, and only American citizens can vote in federal elections (as far as I know), it makes sense.

The census has nothing to do with voting. Its for determining the allocation of resources for people in a given area.

I am sure you know that it has everything to do with apportionment of representatives, don't you?

Only citizens can vote for representatives.

So, it has quite a bit to do with voting.

That district you vote in - the size of that district has been determined by the most recent census.

You know this, don't you?

So, what is your point? It makes no sense to me. The census to a very large extent dtermines whom you will be able to vote for in the House of Representatives.

You cant vote if you are not a citizen. Apportionment of representatives depends on the population of people not citizens. Here. Let me help you guys out.

Why We Conduct the Decennial Census of Population and Housing

The information the census collects helps to determine how more than $400 billion dollars of federal funding each year is spent on infrastructure and services.

www.census.gov

You don't need to help me out. I said that it makes sense that only citizens should be able to decide apportionment, since only citizens can vote.

You can disagree, and that's fine.

Anyone who is here illegally is probably a citizen of another country and could easily go back there. Not sure why they should be counted as our "population." They are probably double counted, and still vote back home, voting for Capitalists, no doubt.

The census should count the entire population, including citizens and permanent residents, but deciding apportionment should be based upon citizenship, IMO.

For the record, I think race and ethnicity should be removed from the census. It can only be used to discriminate, and we are a nation of equal opportunity for all. On my 2020 census, where it asked for mine, I checked "other," and wrote "US citizen." It's really all that matters.

 

[Coyote]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Don’t you ever think you can speak for me asshole. Your bullshit comparison means nothing to real Americans. Illegals are not citizens and have no say. Period. You are on record as a dumbass and a liar.

Just trying to figure out what your thesis is here, maestro...clearly not in the realm of history and likely not reality either.

Like an uneducated Obozo/Xiden shill knows anything about history. Reality is where we real Americans live. Not that libtard fantasy land you inhabit. Illegals have no say. Period. And compared to you my 3 year old is Einstein.

Your competency is declining with every word you type. You seem to think that our founders were completely wrong in how the census is counted...what makes you more knowledgeable?

See post 44 to have your fantasy crushed. I will never be less competent than a liar like you. I am far more knowledgeable than you’ll ever be. Not that that’s difficult

Since you are so knowledgeable, far more than I, tell us: what does post #44 have to do with the first census?

Now deflect. As usual.

What does it have to do with the first census (in 1790)?

 

[lantern2814]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Don’t you ever think you can speak for me asshole. Your bullshit comparison means nothing to real Americans. Illegals are not citizens and have no say. Period. You are on record as a dumbass and a liar.

Just trying to figure out what your thesis is here, maestro...clearly not in the realm of history and likely not reality either.

Like an uneducated Obozo/Xiden shill knows anything about history. Reality is where we real Americans live. Not that libtard fantasy land you inhabit. Illegals have no say. Period. And compared to you my 3 year old is Einstein.

Your competency is declining with every word you type. You seem to think that our founders were completely wrong in how the census is counted...what makes you more knowledgeable?

See post 44 to have your fantasy crushed. I will never be less competent than a liar like you. I am far more knowledgeable than you’ll ever be. Not that that’s difficult

Since you are so knowledgeable, far more than I, tell us: what does post #44 have to do with the first census?

These clowns are hopelessly undereducated. Youre not going to get a sane answer.

This from a grade school dropout like Asslips. You’ve had many answers here and you just keep parroting the same bullshit.

 

[HappyJoy]

Now non US citizens will be counted for apportioning congressional representatives. Amazing. Am I reading this correctly and how does no one have issues with this?

Executive Order on Ensuring a Lawful and Accurate Enumeration and Apportionment Pursuant to the Decennial Census | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Background. We have long guaranteed all of the Nation’s inhabitants representation in the House of Representatives. This tradition is foundational to...

www.whitehouse.gov

Because that's what the COTUS says

Constitution confers no constitutional benefits to non citizens. Laws protect them from assault and the like but there is Zero in constitution about, for example, non citizens much less illegals receiving welfare just becauseUS Citizens do

The Constitution protects everyone in the country from things like illegal search and seizure, fair trial, freedom to associate. You know...all that stuff you guys only care about when some idiot gets shot storming the capitol.

Those are laws that came to be created from the Constitution, it is the law that makes it “protective” and not the Constitution itself nor by itself.
What you libbies are trying to sell is that illegals and non citizens are afforded exactly the same “protections” as US citizens and that’s incorrect
For example, right from the US government, you must have a social security number or some other rare exception to obtain anFHA loan and many bank loans. You can’t get a VA loan unless you were in Military and met the criteria to receive your DD214.
Despite liberal feelings to make all who set foot on American soil the same as Citizrns with all the protections and benefits thereof; it’s just not true

Undocumented citizens aren't afforded the same protections.

Happy?

 

[lantern2814]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

So...do I take it you are on record as claiming they’ve been doing it wrong since 1790?

Don’t you ever think you can speak for me asshole. Your bullshit comparison means nothing to real Americans. Illegals are not citizens and have no say. Period. You are on record as a dumbass and a liar.

Just trying to figure out what your thesis is here, maestro...clearly not in the realm of history and likely not reality either.

Like an uneducated Obozo/Xiden shill knows anything about history. Reality is where we real Americans live. Not that libtard fantasy land you inhabit. Illegals have no say. Period. And compared to you my 3 year old is Einstein.

Your competency is declining with every word you type. You seem to think that our founders were completely wrong in how the census is counted...what makes you more knowledgeable?

See post 44 to have your fantasy crushed. I will never be less competent than a liar like you. I am far more knowledgeable than you’ll ever be. Not that that’s difficult

Since you are so knowledgeable, far more than I, tell us: what does post #44 have to do with the first census?

Now deflect. As usual.

What does it have to do with the first census (in 1790)?

Now see post 82 where Leo explains it so even you may understand.

 

[Care4all]

So we should count illegals too? They are inhabitants.

For the purpose of an accurate census...yes.
Isn't that what the Constitution calls for?

Tourists are inhabitants too. Do we count them?

It's generally assumed that tourists are not residents.

Why can’t non citizens be as well? Their stay is also unpredictable

Because they are residents. Should we also stop counting people over the age of 80?

Tourists are residents. Albeit short term.

Not certain about vacationers from abroad or Canada or Mexico etc...

You have to reside in a state permanently.... vacationers/tourists are not counted.

Nope you have to have intent to reside here permanently. Tough to prove intent sans a green card

You live in a home, have a lease, pay rent or mortgage, pay utility bills, are not a resident of another State.... then you are a resident, and counted....

They don't distribute census forms to hotels, or vacaction resorts.... No reason for a tourist to fill out all that census info....

Our main problem, is getting all of the citizens and people who do reside here, to fill out a census.....

 

[Asclepias]

The census is supposed to aid in determining representation in Congress based on number of CITIZENS. Illegals are not citizens and thus legally should not be counted. There’s no gray area here. More bullshit from Xiden. Well on his way to Obozo and Carter depths of incompetence.

Where did you pull that out of? Are you you trying to claim they’ve been doing it all wrong since 1790?

Like I care what a proven lying asshole like you thinks. Representation is based on citizens. Illegals get ZERO say and not counted. Of course a dumbfuck like you has no problem with stuffing illegals into everything.

Who told you that? Show us in the constitution where it says this.

I don't think the COTUS says it, but it makes sense. Since the census determines the apportionment of Representatives who will be voted on, and only American citizens can vote in federal elections (as far as I know), it makes sense.

The census has nothing to do with voting. Its for determining the allocation of resources for people in a given area.

I am sure you know that it has everything to do with apportionment of representatives, don't you?

Only citizens can vote for representatives.

So, it has quite a bit to do with voting.

That district you vote in - the size of that district has been determined by the most recent census.

You know this, don't you?

So, what is your point? It makes no sense to me. The census to a very large extent dtermines whom you will be able to vote for in the House of Representatives.

You cant vote if you are not a citizen. Apportionment of representatives depends on the population of people not citizens. Here. Let me help you guys out.

Why We Conduct the Decennial Census of Population and Housing

The information the census collects helps to determine how more than $400 billion dollars of federal funding each year is spent on infrastructure and services.

www.census.gov

You don't need to help me out. I said that it makes sense that only citizens should be able to decide apportionment, since only citizens can vote.

You can disagree, and that's fine.

Anyone who is here illegally is probably a citizen of another country and could easily go back there. Not sure why they should be counted as our "population." They are probably double counted, and still vote back home, voting for Capitalists, no doubt.

The census should count the entire population, including citizens and permanent residents, but deciding apportionment should be based upon citizenship, IMO.

For the record, I think race and ethnicity should be removed from the census. It can only be used to discriminate, and we are a nation of equal opportunity for all. On my 2020 census, where it asked for mine, I checked "other," and wrote "US citizen." It's really all that matters.

" You don't need to help me out. I said that it makes sense that only citizens should be able to decide apportionment, since only citizens can vote. "

Obviously I do need to help you out. Do you even know what apportionment means? "Citizens" don't decide apportionment. The number of people in an area do. Citizens only vote for the people that will fill that apportionment.

 

[Lesh]

Can you use it in a sentence?

The Census will count all those who "reside" in the United States every ten years

 

[surada]

Now non US citizens will be counted for apportioning congressional representatives. Amazing. Am I reading this correctly and how does no one have issues with this?

Executive Order on Ensuring a Lawful and Accurate Enumeration and Apportionment Pursuant to the Decennial Census | The White House

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Background. We have long guaranteed all of the Nation’s inhabitants representation in the House of Representatives. This tradition is foundational to...

www.whitehouse.gov

Because that's what the COTUS says

Constitution confers no constitutional benefits to non citizens. Laws protect them from assault and the like but there is Zero in constitution about, for example, non citizens much less illegals receiving welfare just becauseUS Citizens do

The Constitution protects everyone in the country from things like illegal search and seizure, fair trial, freedom to associate. You know...all that stuff you guys only care about when some idiot gets shot storming the capitol.

Those are laws that came to be created from the Constitution, it is the law that makes it “protective” and not the Constitution itself nor by itself.
What you libbies are trying to sell is that illegals and non citizens are afforded exactly the same “protections” as US citizens and that’s incorrect
For example, right from the US government, you must have a social security number or some other rare exception to obtain anFHA loan and many bank loans. You can’t get a VA loan unless you were in Military and met the criteria to receive your DD214.
Despite liberal feelings to make all who set foot on American soil the same as Citizrns with all the protections and benefits thereof; it’s just not true

This isn't about making everyone in the US a citizen. Read it again for comprehension.

If you are on US soil, you are under US jurisdiction. If you are in the US on a visa, you are not illegal.