No food stamps for any family of a striking worker

[DiamondDave]

I don't know, maybe because for every $1.00 that is spent, even more is pumped into the economy.!

Really? Why don't you explain to us how that works.

They forget to add in the parts with what it costs to run the multiple levels of government bureaucracy in order for the lazy fuckers to get their "entitlements"... that's how their fuzzy math works

 

[Jarhead]

I love it, tough love.

Wouldn't it be tough love if a worker strikes because the company etc tries to screw them? I guess it isnt tough love then, and we should feel bad for the company trying to screw the worker, but god forbid we stand up for the worker.

YOu ever wonder why the middle class has been on the decline since you guys started going after unions?

If the worker beleives that the company is trying to screw the worker, and the worker quits....wouldnt it be the company that screwed itself?

Afterall, it got rid of a valued employee.

Or maybe the worker is not a valued employee? Maybe the worker deserved to not get a raise? Maybe the worker outrpiced its true value to the company?

If none opf the above, the worker quitting would be the company screwing itself.

 

[WillowTree]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

So you think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them?


Unions are merely groups of people working together.

You want to ban that ?

why should taxpayers subsidize workers who choose not to work.. it's a basic question. whatever happened to that maxim.. "You don't work, you don't eat." that goes all the way back to the colonies in America.. all the way back.

 

[dilloduck]

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

So you think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them?


Unions are merely groups of people working together.

You want to ban that ?

why should taxpayers subsidize workers who choose not to work.. it's a basic question. whatever happened to that maxim.. "You don't work, you don't eat." that goes all the way back to the colonies in America.. all the way back.

hell it goes back to cavemen and animals.

 

[Luissa]

Why would we do that. Your question makes no sense.

Yeah, why would you do that?
The military is the most socialized part of the government, but you never see right wingers going after military funding.

The military is one of the primary Constitutional functions of the federal government, unlike most other things the government does. Don't know why that's so hard to understand.

But you are correct, we spend too much on the military and it should be scaled down. Not sure why you brought up the military, though, in the first place. It's completely irrelevant to the topic.

Is there a reason why you feel the need to keep pointing out what is irrelevant and relevant to the conversation?
With your post, I see you have made some assumptions about me. Do you feel you are better than me because I stick up for unions?
I guess I can assume you do, it is that, or it is because you think I am poor.

 

[Ravi]

I see we have in this thread the usual "conservatives" who are for state's rights except when they aren't.

 

[StevenC]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

So you think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them?

Unions are merely groups of people working together.
You want to ban that ?

No, "unions" think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them.
And how are unions merely groups of people when the union is useually a seperate entity? And where the leaders get rich off of the union members through dues.
And the first amendment protects them so your last question is senseless.

 

[WillowTree]

I see we have in this thread the usual "conservatives" who are for state's rights except when they aren't.

care to answer the basic question or knot?

 

[Anachronism]

So it was a closed shop?

Yes. The Unionized jobs in this company are UNION ONLY. If you don't/won't/can't join the Union, then you cannot be in those positions. We're getting pretty close to a point where pretty much the entire WORKforce is Unionized in the company. There are one or two non-Union departments left but it's pretty close to a point where the only Management employees are actually Management (supervisors, directors, superintendents, etc...)

 

[Luissa]

I don't know, maybe because for every $1.00 that is spent, even more is pumped into the economy.!

Really? Why don't you explain to us how that works.

For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy,

The bolded part is Diamond.
Food stamps offer best stimulus - study - Jan. 29, 2008

 

[Jarhead]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

So you think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them?


Unions are merely groups of people working together.

You want to ban that ?

So you feel all workers offer the same work ethic and output?
Is it fair to worker A who busts his butt to be in on time and does not call in becuase of 2 inches of snow on the ground and only used 2 of his sick days as he did not consider a stuffed nose as being sick should get no more consideration than the employee that uses every sick day afforded him by contract (whether he is sick or not); and calls in everytime it snows out?

Do you truly believe that every employee in any given company has the exact same work ethic?

And assuming you are smart enough to realize that not every worker has the same work ethic...what do you think happens when there is no recognition of a better work ethic? DO you think the lazier worker steps up to meet the ethic of the other....or do you think the other is more likely to say "what the hell am I working so hard for....my co-worker calls in sick once a week and and I get no more than he does"

What do you think the outcome would be?

 

[R.D.]

I don't know, maybe because for every $1.00 that is spent, even more is pumped into the economy.!

Really? Why don't you explain to us how that works.

For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy,

The bolded part is Diamond.
Food stamps offer best stimulus - study - Jan. 29, 2008

Leftists think that food stamps and welfare checks stimulate the ecomony

I believe paychecks would do a better job

 

[Truthmatters]

So let people strike to force their employer to pay them enough to get off welfare.


What is in this bill is a plan to trap poor people into submitting to anything their employer wants

 

[Truthmatters]

Oh BTW economic studies say things like welfare and food stamps are great economic stimulus

 

[Luissa]

Really? Why don't you explain to us how that works.

For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy,

The bolded part is Diamond.
Food stamps offer best stimulus - study - Jan. 29, 2008

Leftists think that food stamps and welfare checks stimulate the ecomony

I believe paychecks would do a better job

So, in turn you attack middle class workers to the point where they have to go on food stamps?

 

[boedicca]

Sounds good to me. Union members pay dues which should be used to compensate them during strikes (as long as the strikes are legal). There is no reason why taxpayers should be footing the bill for them to protest for more money.

 

[Jarhead]

So let people strike to force their employer to pay them enough to get off welfare.


What is in this bill is a plan to trap poor people into submitting to anything their employer wants

Or it can be looked at it this way....

Food stamps allow workers to demand what they want, whether they warrant it or not, without any real negative ramifications as they will still be able to put food on their table.

Without this bill, people are allowed to do whatever they want to get whatever they want whether it is warranted or not.

 

[Jarhead]

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

So you think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them?


Unions are merely groups of people working together.

You want to ban that ?

So you feel all workers offer the same work ethic and output?
Is it fair to worker A who busts his butt to be in on time and does not call in becuase of 2 inches of snow on the ground and only used 2 of his sick days as he did not consider a stuffed nose as being sick should get no more consideration than the employee that uses every sick day afforded him by contract (whether he is sick or not); and calls in everytime it snows out?

Do you truly believe that every employee in any given company has the exact same work ethic?

And assuming you are smart enough to realize that not every worker has the same work ethic...what do you think happens when there is no recognition of a better work ethic? DO you think the lazier worker steps up to meet the ethic of the other....or do you think the other is more likely to say "what the hell am I working so hard for....my co-worker calls in sick once a week and and I get no more than he does"

What do you think the outcome would be?

And...of course...no response to the above.

 

[dilloduck]

The bolded part is Diamond.
Food stamps offer best stimulus - study - Jan. 29, 2008

Leftists think that food stamps and welfare checks stimulate the ecomony

I believe paychecks would do a better job

So, in turn you attack middle class workers to the point where they have to go on food stamps?

Go on food stamps or even get another job. Create a job even.

 

[jgarden]

Conservatives have always needed "scapegoats" to bear the burden for their failed policies -in America that's become the poor, unions, striking workers and Wisconsin teachers.

All these "targeted" groups combined don't have the private wealth of the richest 1% of the population!