Zone1 Do Antisemites really believe the genocide lie?

[Lisa558]

Or do they know it’s a lie and are simply hoping ignorant, gullible people will believe it - and thus they can spread antisemitism even more rapidly and widely? And turn Jewish self-defense into the ultimate sin?

Let’s face it: People intent on committing genocide do not drop leaflets warning civilians to vacate the area and delay the bombing of Islamic terrorists until they, the civilians, can escape.

But still we hear the lie repeated daily by the Jew-haters. So the question is: have they become so influenced by their hate of Jews that they convinced themselves it’s true, or do they know it’s a lie but has a useful purpose (to them) in driving up antisemitism?

The Genocide Lie

In today’s debate over Israel, hatred wears the mask of justice. Scroll, march, or listen on campus—everywhere, the same word appears in red: genocide. This idea is not only false; it is obscene. To call Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide is to empty that term of all moral meaning.

www.aei.org

 

[luiza]

Or do they know it’s a lie and are simply hoping ignorant, gullible people will believe it - and thus they can spread antisemitism even more rapidly and widely? And turn Jewish self-defense into the ultimate sin?

Let’s face it: People intent on committing genocide do not drop leaflets warning civilians to vacate the area and delay the bombing of Islamic terrorists until they, the civilians, can escape.

But still we hear the lie repeated daily by the Jew-haters. So the question is: have they become so influenced by their hate of Jews that they convinced themselves it’s true, or do they know it’s a lie but has a useful purpose (to them) in driving up antisemitism,.

The usual bleating from Genocidists who cover their eyes and ears in denial .
And then will tell you straight faced that it had nothing to do with them .
"Just others "who presumably were very naughty if not down right Evil . " But not us !!"

And obviously the whole world is wrong , save the group who cover their eyes and ears .

 

[Lisa558]

The usual bleating from Genocidists who cover their eyes and ears in denial .
And then will tell you straight faced that it had nothing to do with them .
"Just others "who presumably were very naughty if not down right Evil . " But not us !!"

And obviously the whole world is wrong , save the group who cover their eyes and ears .

^^^ this is from the antisemite who just said Himmler and Goebbels were Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

The usual bleating from Genocidists who cover their eyes and ears in denial .
And then will tell you straight faced that it had nothing to do with them .
"Just others "who presumably were very naughty if not down right Evil . " But not us !!"

And obviously the whole world is wrong , save the group who cover their eyes and ears .

P.S. I just explained in the OP why it’s a lie. Now get out of my Clean Debate thread.

 

[Winston]

Or do they know it’s a lie and are simply hoping ignorant, gullible people will believe it - and thus they can spread antisemitism even more rapidly and widely? And turn Jewish self-defense into the ultimate sin?

Let’s face it: People intent on committing genocide do not drop leaflets warning civilians to vacate the area and delay the bombing of Islamic terrorists until they, the civilians, can escape.

But still we hear the lie repeated daily by the Jew-haters. So the question is: have they become so influenced by their hate of Jews that they convinced themselves it’s true, or do they know it’s a lie but has a useful purpose (to them) in driving up antisemitism?

The Genocide Lie

In today’s debate over Israel, hatred wears the mask of justice. Scroll, march, or listen on campus—everywhere, the same word appears in red: genocide. This idea is not only false; it is obscene. To call Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide is to empty that term of all moral meaning.

www.aei.org

Get that propaganda bullshit out of here. I mean for instance,

To call Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide is to empty that term of all moral meaning. It weaponizes history’s most serious crime against the very people who suffered it.

History's most serious crime? The very people that suffered it? Look, I know it might seem hard to understand, but the Jews are not the only ethnic group to suffer from genocide. And even more surprising, there have been more serious incidents of genocide than the Holocaust. Cambodia comes to mind.

Under international law, genocide requires a specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Nothing that has occurred in Gaza meets that standard.
Bullshit.

A genocidal state does not drop leaflets warning civilians to evacuate. It does not open humanitarian corridors or pause operations for aid and prisoner exchanges. It does not call on its enemy to surrender in order to save lives. These are not the acts of a nation seeking to destroy a people, but of one struggling—however imperfectly—to uphold its humanity its humanity while defending its existence.

Well damn. Pretty sure Germany implemented humanitarian corridors during the occupation of France. I damn sure know Germany conducted prisoner exchanges, allowed for aid to come in to prisoners, and not only asked for surrender from enemies but actually got those surrenders. Guess Germany was trying to uphold it's humanity while defending its existence.

 

[luiza]

P.S. I just explained in the OP why it’s a lie. Now get out of my Clean Debate thread.

Lisa's lie has somehow become Fact because she is too lazy to check the link to see those Facts that offend her .
And probably too frightened.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The accusation of genocide is made by those who kill their daughters for "honor", kill gay people on sight and have made "Mein Kampf" a best seller.

Only incredibly stupid and ignorant people buy into it.

 

[Winston]

P.S. I just explained in the OP why it’s a lie. Now get out of my Clean Debate thread.

Your OP is pure propaganda, and really, not that good.

“The application of the word genocide to refer to tens of thousands of war deaths,” he wrote, “is a kind of blood libel… It really is a terrible blood libel, and it’s a sign of how people’s moralizing in the service of demonizing and dichotomizing can flatten their ability to think clearly.”

Pinker’s point is devastating because it recalls an older pattern of hate. In medieval Europe, Jews were accused of murdering Christian children and poisoning well.

There it is, blood libel he screams. Damn fool. Listen to him.

To insist on the genocide label despite the evidence is to cross a moral line. It transforms legitimate criticism of Israel’s conduct into a collective indictment of Jewish existence. It suggests that a people defending themselves from annihilation are themselves the annihilators. That inversion is antisemitism, pure and simple.

Look, he is begging the question here. He has in no way shown that Israel is not committing genocide. He wants to pretend Jews and Palestinians got along famously until the October surprise. There are no illegal Jewish settlements, it is not a problem for a group of people to live in a refugee status for THREE ******* GENERATIONS. It is not a problem that a group of people's movements are controlled, borders are sealed. Nah, everything was fine until that October, HORSE SHIT.

And notice, transforms legitimate criticism of Israel's conduct into a collective indictment of Jewish existence. That has been your overwhelming theme in almost every one of your threads. You can't criticize Israel because if you do it is a collective indictment of Jewish existence. In this case we are suppose to just accept the claim that Israel is defending themselves from annihilation.

Kind of hard to do that. Defending themselves from what? A bunch of "terrorists"? I mean they have an Air Force, nukes, a Navy, and a well armed military. Tell me again why they have to attack civilian areas? I mean here in the United States we have these dudes called policemen, or deputies, or marshals. And when bad dudes hide out in civilian areas, well them badder dudes go in and pick them up. Sometimes, the good guys get killed.

I mean it is really kind of hard to claim Israel's actions are not genocide. When the casualties of women and children far outweigh the number of enemy combatants killed. When the battlefield is pretty much a barrel of fish and Israel is shooting into the barrel. When they are targeting medical facilities, power infrastructure, and hampering the delivery of food aid. Hell, in some cases actually targeting those desperate people flocking to food distribution points.

Here is the thing. It hasn't been that long ago. In Charlotte, residential area, serving a warrant against a bad dude. I believe it was three law enforcement officers that lost their lives. The bad guy had the high ground. Second level of a house on a hill with good open area that had to be crossed. They got him. And it was tragic, but all three of those law enforcement officers knew they could lose their lives in the line of duty when they went to work that morning.

Those innocent women and children that Israel is slaying by the thousands. They didn't volunteer to give their lives to protect Jewish existence, and yet that is what happens. Maybe when more Jewish lives are sacrificed to protect that existence it won't seem so fragile.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Let’s face it: People intent on committing genocide do not drop leaflets warning civilians to vacate the area and delay the bombing of Islamic terrorists until they, the civilians, can escape.

But still we hear the lie repeated daily by the Jew-haters.

Just out of curiosity, why do you, OP, automatically designate board usership who may disagree with you with regard to what surmises ''genocide'' as ''Jew haters?"

That doesn't particularly come off as being interested in stimulating the intent of ''Clean Debate" in what you contend is your ''Clean Debate thread'' to this casual observer.

Reads more like you're purposefully antagonizing usership collectively who share a different view than you by invoking such arbitrary, accusatory language toward them and applying defammatory labels to them such as that which you specifically chose to attach for the purpose of baiting yet another low value tit-for-tat senario. Again, speaking only from the perspective of this casual observer.

 

[gtopa1]

Or do they know it’s a lie and are simply hoping ignorant, gullible people will believe it - and thus they can spread antisemitism even more rapidly and widely? And turn Jewish self-defense into the ultimate sin?

Let’s face it: People intent on committing genocide do not drop leaflets warning civilians to vacate the area and delay the bombing of Islamic terrorists until they, the civilians, can escape.

But still we hear the lie repeated daily by the Jew-haters. So the question is: have they become so influenced by their hate of Jews that they convinced themselves it’s true, or do they know it’s a lie but has a useful purpose (to them) in driving up antisemitism?

The Genocide Lie

In today’s debate over Israel, hatred wears the mask of justice. Scroll, march, or listen on campus—everywhere, the same word appears in red: genocide. This idea is not only false; it is obscene. To call Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide is to empty that term of all moral meaning.

www.aei.org

They have convinced themselves that their own view is correct and they will defend it with hysterical affirmation as usual. They are diSSgusting.

Hopefully they will lose their Iranian handlers to goat herds soon.

Greg

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Get that propaganda bullshit out of here. I mean for instance,

To call Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide is to empty that term of all moral meaning. It weaponizes history’s most serious crime against the very people who suffered it.

History's most serious crime? The very people that suffered it? Look, I know it might seem hard to understand, but the Jews are not the only ethnic group to suffer from genocide. And even more surprising, there have been more serious incidents of genocide than the Holocaust. Cambodia comes to mind.

Under international law, genocide requires a specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Nothing that has occurred in Gaza meets that standard.
Bullshit.

A genocidal state does not drop leaflets warning civilians to evacuate. It does not open humanitarian corridors or pause operations for aid and prisoner exchanges. It does not call on its enemy to surrender in order to save lives. These are not the acts of a nation seeking to destroy a people, but of one struggling—however imperfectly—to uphold its humanity its humanity while defending its existence.

Well damn. Pretty sure Germany implemented humanitarian corridors during the occupation of France. I damn sure know Germany conducted prisoner exchanges, allowed for aid to come in to prisoners, and not only asked for surrender from enemies but actually got those surrenders. Guess Germany was trying to uphold it's humanity while defending its existence.

You downplay the Holocaust while trying to cast Jews as Nazis.

Don't tell me -- you will turn around and scream that there is nothing antisemitic in this, am I right?

 

[Churchill]

Or do they know it’s a lie and are simply hoping ignorant, gullible people will believe it - and thus they can spread antisemitism even more rapidly and widely? And turn Jewish self-defense into the ultimate sin?

Let’s face it: People intent on committing genocide do not drop leaflets warning civilians to vacate the area and delay the bombing of Islamic terrorists until they, the civilians, can escape.

But still we hear the lie repeated daily by the Jew-haters. So the question is: have they become so influenced by their hate of Jews that they convinced themselves it’s true, or do they know it’s a lie but has a useful purpose (to them) in driving up antisemitism?

The Genocide Lie

In today’s debate over Israel, hatred wears the mask of justice. Scroll, march, or listen on campus—everywhere, the same word appears in red: genocide. This idea is not only false; it is obscene. To call Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide is to empty that term of all moral meaning.

www.aei.org

You'll need to ask an antisemite, posting such questions to forum members here is a waste of time since nobody ever posts "Jew hate" or antisemitic remarks here, I've certainly never seen examples of any and if I did I'd promptly report it.

 

[Churchill]

The accusation of genocide is made by those who kill their daughters for "honor", kill gay people on sight and have made "Mein Kampf" a best seller.

Most analytical claims of genocide do not come from Palestinian victims but from learned individuals and organisations, if you really beleive such people "kill their daughters" then right there we can see the hysteria that makes it obvious you have no idea about the subject.

Only incredibly stupid and ignorant people buy into it.

Who cares what you believe? believe whatever you like, if you don't regard the facts as being consistent with genocode then fine, it doesn't matter, you're in a small minority though.

 

[Winston]

You downplay the Holocaust while trying to cast Jews as Nazis.

Don't tell me -- you will turn around and scream that there is nothing antisemitic in this, am I right?

Dude, look at that quote.

"history's most serious crime"?

And to casting Jews as Nazis. No, I was merely pointing out that Nazi Germany could have used the very same defense as the OP concerning allegations of genocide.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Dude, look at that quote.

"history's most serious crime"?

And to casting Jews as Nazis. No, I was merely pointing out that Nazi Germany could have used the very same defense as the OP concerning allegations of genocide.

Germans rounded up 6 million Jews and killed them with industrial efficiency.

To equate that with the targeting of Hamas positions is beyond the pale.

 

[Churchill]

Dude, look at that quote.

"history's most serious crime"?

And to casting Jews as Nazis. No, I was merely pointing out that Nazi Germany could have used the very same defense as the OP concerning allegations of genocide.

These people complain about Holocaust denial all day here and fail so see the irony in their own incessant posts denying genocide, they are no better, they use the very same tactics Holocaust deniers use, the same phrases, the same defensive language, the same denials.

I've had conversations with Holocaust deniers, older German males in fact and they are absolutely convinced the events were not as claimed, the number of victims was far lower, the ovens were purely utilitarian for day to day routine burning of people who died through sickness/disease not mistreatment or execution, the Zykon B was for fumigation not mass gassing of living people, it is a conspiracy foestered upon the world by Jews and so on.

They really have a well developed narrative and it does sometimes fool people.

Like Holocaust deniers they want us to not believe our own eyes and ears, they insist that only they can "interpret" everything for us and we must ingest their perverted apologetics.

Genocide deniers speak just like Holocaust deniers do and that's a dead giveaway.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

These people complain about Holocaust denial all day here and fail so see the irony in their own incessant posts denying genocide, they are no better, they use the very same tactics Holocaust deniers use, the same phrases, the same defensive language, the same denials.

I've had conversations with Holocaust deniers, older German males in fact and they are absolutely convinced the events were not as claimed, the number of victims was far lower, the gas chambers were purely utilitarian for day to day routine burning of people who died through sickness not mistreatment or execution, the Zykon B was for fumigation not mass gassing of living people.

They really have a well developed narrative and it does sometimes fool people.

Like Holocaust deniers they want us to not believe our own eyes and ears, they insist that only they can "interpret" everything for us and we must ingest their perverted apologetics.

You think Jews have rounded up 6 million Arabs, packed them in cattle cars and sent them to extermination camps, do you? If not, then why the dishonest comparisons?

 

[Winston]

Germans rounded up 6 million Jews and killed them with industrial efficiency.

To equate that with the targeting of Hamas positions is beyond the pale.

"Targeting Hamas positions", you made a funny.

 

[Churchill]

You think Jews have rounded up 6 million Arabs, packed them in cattle cars and sent them to extermination camps, do you?

The legal defintion of gencocide doesn't refer to "packing people" in "cattle cars", it has no bearing on the matter.

If not, then why the dishonest comparisons?

As I said the methods used to destroy or seek to destroy an ethnic group are not part of the definition of genocide.

Why do you insist on talking about a subject you are unfamilair with?

 

[Churchill]

Here's a question for you Dogmaphobe or Lisa558 our resident experts on genocide:

When did the Nazis first become guilty - in your mind - of genocide? Was it after six million Jews were killed or four million or ten thousand?

Were they guilty of it even before the war started perhaps?

Tell me what was the red line they crossed that made them suddenly guilty of genocide?

Come on folks, you must know the answer, you are all authorities on the subject...